Take off a week in school year to go to disney

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don’t consider virtual school appropriate for a 1st grader, even if kids attend every single day, but you do you.

But you consider pulling them out for a week appropriate? Just...wow.

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Teachers: You ABSOLUTELY cannot go on a one week trip to Disney. It will disrupt your education and will take too much time for me to catch your kid up to speed.

Also Teachers: We aren't coming to school for two years because we are scared of COVID and when we come back, we want Fridays off. Your kids will NOT get behind and will be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:how far behind does an elementary school student become if they take a few days off school? I can't imagine it impacts them in the long term, and would be easy to make up either by getting the work before-hand and doing some work while you're on vacation, or making it up when you get back.

You’ve clearly missed most of this thread. Catch up, please.

What this rude PP meant to say was, “you’re right, no loss of learning, some teachers just have their underwear in a bunch bc they can’t travel when they want”.

No. You missed the part where teachers have said repeatedly that they resent having to accommodate your kid due to unexcused absences.

Many teachers posted in this thread that they think it’s fine.

So when you impose your selfish self on your kid’s teacher, expecting them to accommodate your kid, just tell them “well, other teachers think it’s fine, so STFU.”

OR the kid has/had one of the teachers who doesn't have an issue with it, and the parents haven't asked for accommodations .

If the teachers don’t have an issue with it, then they are also ignoring policy. That’s a slippery slope.

At the high school level, missing a week can result in serious drops in grades. That’s quite an issue if you plan to apply to selective colleges. That’s why I often end up with parents who ask me to go to great lengths to help their students raise grades after vacations tank averages. I’ve been asked to reteach, to exempt assignments, to create individualized tests since the student missed the official one, etc. All of this for unexcused absences. Policy says NO.

I know there are posters here saying it’s okay in elementary, but this can set a precedent that can’t be continued in high school.

Op is talking about elementary school. Posters who have said they would take their kid out in ES have indicated that they wouldn't do it in MS or HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don’t consider virtual school appropriate for a 1st grader, even if kids attend every single day, but you do you.

But you consider pulling them out for a week appropriate? Just...wow.

As I said, I planned for a day. The school announced the quarantine for air travel (but not train, bus, or subway travel) in August. Ironically, I never received a letter from the school about her being absent for too many days. Apparently, when schools create their own quarantine rules, attendance requirements are no longer enforced. My guess is the school knew they were on shaky ground and couldn’t legally hold a child back for lack of attendance when they purposely created rules to keep kids out of school. Regardless, missing a week of 1st grade has not ruined my kid’s life. It’s not like she was applying to Harvard at age 6.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

So don’t expect the teacher to help your kid if they miss anything. They’re on their own.

No, they have parents to help them.

How are the parents going to help, if they don’t know what the kid missed?

You should have thought of that before you pulled your kid out of school. I do not offer personal services to privileged children.

I hope your disdain doesn't come through in the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don’t consider virtual school appropriate for a 1st grader, even if kids attend every single day, but you do you.

But you consider pulling them out for a week appropriate? Just...wow.

As I said, I planned for a day. The school announced the quarantine for air travel (but not train, bus, or subway travel) in August. Ironically, I never received a letter from the school about her being absent for too many days. Apparently, when schools create their own quarantine rules, attendance requirements are no longer enforced. My guess is the school knew they were on shaky ground and couldn’t legally hold a child back for lack of attendance when they purposely created rules to keep kids out of school. Regardless, missing a week of 1st grade has not ruined my kid’s life. It’s not like she was applying to Harvard at age 6.

You keep contradicting yourself. Hope you figure out a point to actually stick to. Yikes

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers: You ABSOLUTELY cannot go on a one week trip to Disney. It will disrupt your education and will take too much time for me to catch your kid up to speed.

Also Teachers: We aren't coming to school for two years because we are scared of COVID and when we come back, we want Fridays off. Your kids will NOT get behind and will be fine.

🙄🙄

Dumbest argument I’ve ever seen on DCUM. That’s a feat, congratulations. It’s also 2023. Move on like the rest of the world has.

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Anonymous wrote:how far behind does an elementary school student become if they take a few days off school? I can't imagine it impacts them in the long term, and would be easy to make up either by getting the work before-hand and doing some work while you're on vacation, or making it up when you get back.

You’ve clearly missed most of this thread. Catch up, please.

What this rude PP meant to say was, “you’re right, no loss of learning, some teachers just have their underwear in a bunch bc they can’t travel when they want”.

No. You missed the part where teachers have said repeatedly that they resent having to accommodate your kid due to unexcused absences.

Many teachers posted in this thread that they think it’s fine.

So when you impose your selfish self on your kid’s teacher, expecting them to accommodate your kid, just tell them “well, other teachers think it’s fine, so STFU.”

OR the kid has/had one of the teachers who doesn't have an issue with it, and the parents haven't asked for accommodations .

If the teachers don’t have an issue with it, then they are also ignoring policy. That’s a slippery slope.

At the high school level, missing a week can result in serious drops in grades. That’s quite an issue if you plan to apply to selective colleges. That’s why I often end up with parents who ask me to go to great lengths to help their students raise grades after vacations tank averages. I’ve been asked to reteach, to exempt assignments, to create individualized tests since the student missed the official one, etc. All of this for unexcused absences. Policy says NO.

I know there are posters here saying it’s okay in elementary, but this can set a precedent that can’t be continued in high school.

Op is talking about elementary school. Posters who have said they would take their kid out in ES have indicated that they wouldn't do it in MS or HS.

And yet I deal with these requests from parents on a pretty regular basis. I’m left wondering how many of them also said “but we’ll only do it during elementary school.”

It’s about setting priorities and habits. Once you’ve established school comes 2nd, how do you just flip that switch later?

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Be prepared for the substantially higher cost of Disney now vs 5 years ago. You have to buy Fastpasses now.

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Anonymous wrote:how far behind does an elementary school student become if they take a few days off school? I can't imagine it impacts them in the long term, and would be easy to make up either by getting the work before-hand and doing some work while you're on vacation, or making it up when you get back.

You’ve clearly missed most of this thread. Catch up, please.

What this rude PP meant to say was, “you’re right, no loss of learning, some teachers just have their underwear in a bunch bc they can’t travel when they want”.

No. You missed the part where teachers have said repeatedly that they resent having to accommodate your kid due to unexcused absences.

Many teachers posted in this thread that they think it’s fine.

So when you impose your selfish self on your kid’s teacher, expecting them to accommodate your kid, just tell them “well, other teachers think it’s fine, so STFU.”

OR the kid has/had one of the teachers who doesn't have an issue with it, and the parents haven't asked for accommodations .

If the teachers don’t have an issue with it, then they are also ignoring policy. That’s a slippery slope.

At the high school level, missing a week can result in serious drops in grades. That’s quite an issue if you plan to apply to selective colleges. That’s why I often end up with parents who ask me to go to great lengths to help their students raise grades after vacations tank averages. I’ve been asked to reteach, to exempt assignments, to create individualized tests since the student missed the official one, etc. All of this for unexcused absences. Policy says NO.

I know there are posters here saying it’s okay in elementary, but this can set a precedent that can’t be continued in high school.

Op is talking about elementary school. Posters who have said they would take their kid out in ES have indicated that they wouldn't do it in MS or HS.

And yet I deal with these requests from parents on a pretty regular basis. I’m left wondering how many of them also said “but we’ll only do it during elementary school.”

It’s about setting priorities and habits. Once you’ve established school comes 2nd, how do you just flip that switch later?

Same question for the teachers: once you’ve established that school comes 2nd because some kid might go home and infect grandma (and teachers held tight to this position for a year), how do you just flip that switch and say missing a week of school for Disney isn’t ok?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don’t consider virtual school appropriate for a 1st grader, even if kids attend every single day, but you do you.

But you consider pulling them out for a week appropriate? Just...wow.

DP. It’s a perfectly consistent view. Quite some cojones to argue that virtual school for 6 year olds for 1.5 yesrs is JUST FINE, but missing a few days for family vacation is THE WORST and a mortal offense against “the rules.” I’m old enough to remember when certain quarters were insisting “kids are resilient” and “learning loss isn’t real.”

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Anonymous wrote:how far behind does an elementary school student become if they take a few days off school? I can't imagine it impacts them in the long term, and would be easy to make up either by getting the work before-hand and doing some work while you're on vacation, or making it up when you get back.

You’ve clearly missed most of this thread. Catch up, please.

What this rude PP meant to say was, “you’re right, no loss of learning, some teachers just have their underwear in a bunch bc they can’t travel when they want”.

No. You missed the part where teachers have said repeatedly that they resent having to accommodate your kid due to unexcused absences.

Many teachers posted in this thread that they think it’s fine.

So when you impose your selfish self on your kid’s teacher, expecting them to accommodate your kid, just tell them “well, other teachers think it’s fine, so STFU.”

OR the kid has/had one of the teachers who doesn't have an issue with it, and the parents haven't asked for accommodations .

If the teachers don’t have an issue with it, then they are also ignoring policy. That’s a slippery slope.

At the high school level, missing a week can result in serious drops in grades. That’s quite an issue if you plan to apply to selective colleges. That’s why I often end up with parents who ask me to go to great lengths to help their students raise grades after vacations tank averages. I’ve been asked to reteach, to exempt assignments, to create individualized tests since the student missed the official one, etc. All of this for unexcused absences. Policy says NO.

I know there are posters here saying it’s okay in elementary, but this can set a precedent that can’t be continued in high school.

Op is talking about elementary school. Posters who have said they would take their kid out in ES have indicated that they wouldn't do it in MS or HS.

And yet I deal with these requests from parents on a pretty regular basis. I’m left wondering how many of them also said “but we’ll only do it during elementary school.”

It’s about setting priorities and habits. Once you’ve established school comes 2nd, how do you just flip that switch later?

Same question for the teachers: once you’ve established that school comes 2nd because some kid might go home and infect grandma (and teachers held tight to this position for a year), how do you just flip that switch and say missing a week of school for Disney isn’t ok?

I forgot the part where kids didn’t receive any instruction during COVID.

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Anonymous wrote:how far behind does an elementary school student become if they take a few days off school? I can't imagine it impacts them in the long term, and would be easy to make up either by getting the work before-hand and doing some work while you're on vacation, or making it up when you get back.

You’ve clearly missed most of this thread. Catch up, please.

What this rude PP meant to say was, “you’re right, no loss of learning, some teachers just have their underwear in a bunch bc they can’t travel when they want”.

No. You missed the part where teachers have said repeatedly that they resent having to accommodate your kid due to unexcused absences.

Many teachers posted in this thread that they think it’s fine.

So when you impose your selfish self on your kid’s teacher, expecting them to accommodate your kid, just tell them “well, other teachers think it’s fine, so STFU.”

OR the kid has/had one of the teachers who doesn't have an issue with it, and the parents haven't asked for accommodations .

If the teachers don’t have an issue with it, then they are also ignoring policy. That’s a slippery slope.

At the high school level, missing a week can result in serious drops in grades. That’s quite an issue if you plan to apply to selective colleges. That’s why I often end up with parents who ask me to go to great lengths to help their students raise grades after vacations tank averages. I’ve been asked to reteach, to exempt assignments, to create individualized tests since the student missed the official one, etc. All of this for unexcused absences. Policy says NO.

I know there are posters here saying it’s okay in elementary, but this can set a precedent that can’t be continued in high school.

Op is talking about elementary school. Posters who have said they would take their kid out in ES have indicated that they wouldn't do it in MS or HS.

And yet I deal with these requests from parents on a pretty regular basis. I’m left wondering how many of them also said “but we’ll only do it during elementary school.”

It’s about setting priorities and habits. Once you’ve established school comes 2nd, how do you just flip that switch later?

Same question for the teachers: once you’ve established that school comes 2nd because some kid might go home and infect grandma (and teachers held tight to this position for a year), how do you just flip that switch and say missing a week of school for Disney isn’t ok?

School NEVER came second for me. I met in small groups online with my AP students and got through my entire curriculum in spite of the circumstances, even when I was sick. My students completed the same tasks just in a modified format.

Also, I am not going to equate Disney with public health. One is important. The other is not. My point remains.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

So don’t expect the teacher to help your kid if they miss anything. They’re on their own.

No, they have parents to help them.

How are the parents going to help, if they don’t know what the kid missed?

You should have thought of that before you pulled your kid out of school. I do not offer personal services to privileged children.

But you offer personal services to children you deem worthy?

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Anonymous wrote:how far behind does an elementary school student become if they take a few days off school? I can't imagine it impacts them in the long term, and would be easy to make up either by getting the work before-hand and doing some work while you're on vacation, or making it up when you get back.

You’ve clearly missed most of this thread. Catch up, please.

What this rude PP meant to say was, “you’re right, no loss of learning, some teachers just have their underwear in a bunch bc they can’t travel when they want”.

No. You missed the part where teachers have said repeatedly that they resent having to accommodate your kid due to unexcused absences.

Many teachers posted in this thread that they think it’s fine.

So when you impose your selfish self on your kid’s teacher, expecting them to accommodate your kid, just tell them “well, other teachers think it’s fine, so STFU.”

OR the kid has/had one of the teachers who doesn't have an issue with it, and the parents haven't asked for accommodations .

If the teachers don’t have an issue with it, then they are also ignoring policy. That’s a slippery slope.

At the high school level, missing a week can result in serious drops in grades. That’s quite an issue if you plan to apply to selective colleges. That’s why I often end up with parents who ask me to go to great lengths to help their students raise grades after vacations tank averages. I’ve been asked to reteach, to exempt assignments, to create individualized tests since the student missed the official one, etc. All of this for unexcused absences. Policy says NO.

I know there are posters here saying it’s okay in elementary, but this can set a precedent that can’t be continued in high school.

Op is talking about elementary school. Posters who have said they would take their kid out in ES have indicated that they wouldn't do it in MS or HS.

And yet I deal with these requests from parents on a pretty regular basis. I’m left wondering how many of them also said “but we’ll only do it during elementary school.”

It’s about setting priorities and habits. Once you’ve established school comes 2nd, how do you just flip that switch later?

Same question for the teachers: once you’ve established that school comes 2nd because some kid might go home and infect grandma (and teachers held tight to this position for a year), how do you just flip that switch and say missing a week of school for Disney isn’t ok?

I forgot the part where kids didn’t receive any instruction during COVID.

if the education received during COVID was so stellar, why are we seeing the reverberating effects a few years later?