New VA trans policies for schools

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher. I'm calling a kid by the (reasonable) name they ask me to call them. Period. And if they ask me to use a different name with their parents I'm doing that too.

**LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.**

I'm sure as F going to be that accepting adult without hesitation. It's quite literally the least I can do.


People can’t simultaneously argue that all the child is asking for is to be called something different while also saying if the child isn’t called by their preferred pronouns/names there is a high chance of suicide. Either it is consequential (ie if we don’t call a child by this name or use this pronoun it may adversely affect the child’s mental health and possibly lead to suicide) or it’s just like any other nickname chance and hence inconsequential. If it’s consequential then parents should know. Simple as that.


Do you even have children or are you just bored?


Clearly you can’t address my point so you decided to just dismiss who I am as a person.


Why don’t you start calling your cis child by the wrong name for a month and let us know how that goes.

Come back when you call Sue Joe for a few years and let me know if she is suicidal.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher. I'm calling a kid by the (reasonable) name they ask me to call them. Period. And if they ask me to use a different name with their parents I'm doing that too.

**LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.**

I'm sure as F going to be that accepting adult without hesitation. It's quite literally the least I can do.


People can’t simultaneously argue that all the child is asking for is to be called something different while also saying if the child isn’t called by their preferred pronouns/names there is a high chance of suicide. Either it is consequential (ie if we don’t call a child by this name or use this pronoun it may adversely affect the child’s mental health and possibly lead to suicide) or it’s just like any other nickname chance and hence inconsequential. If it’s consequential then parents should know. Simple as that.


Do you even have children or are you just bored?


Clearly you can’t address my point so you decided to just dismiss who I am as a person.


You don’t appear to have a point.
Anonymous
Wow, this thread went in a bunch of directions after I posted about my experience as a trans parent.

Wanted to thank the PP who responded to my post and will stop using the lobotomies example when discussing medical transition. I truly appreciated that you heard what I was saying.

Without getting into everything that has been said here that I do and don't agree with as someone who has lived through this experience, I did want to say again that many people are operating on information (which I view as anti-trans propaganda) about what is actually happening. To an earlier poster, for example, who said that the reason kids are not getting medical transition without parental involvement is that Virginia is not a progressive state, that is flat wrong. We are in DC and the transition care that we have received was in DC, MD and New York. In all of those places, no one would do anything until we consented or our child was 18. For some things, no one will do it until the child is 18 even if the parents consent.

On another issue, a poster said that as part of the concern that the profit based medical industry is driving this. Again, this makes no factual sense. Medical treatment for transition is mostly a twice a year visit to an endocrinologist to get hormones prescribed and those hormones are cheap generics. We paid $10 a month for testosterone. No big drug company to make money from that. As for surgeries, these are hard to get and booked up years ahead at major teaching hospitals. Just no clear who you think is getting rich on this niche practice. Moreover, again, the only surgery that anyone will do on teens (assuming they meet the strict requirements and have parental permission) is top surgery. And, insurance won't cover that until age 18 either, so I don't think many kids are paying the $8000+ out of pocket that is required for that surgery as a teen.

Bottom line: people under age 18 are not getting any medical treatment for transition without their parent's consent. Full stop. If anyone has a real cite to the contrary, I would be happy to see it, but it always seems to be a third-hand rumor.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher. I'm calling a kid by the (reasonable) name they ask me to call them. Period. And if they ask me to use a different name with their parents I'm doing that too.

**LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.**

I'm sure as F going to be that accepting adult without hesitation. It's quite literally the least I can do.


People can’t simultaneously argue that all the child is asking for is to be called something different while also saying if the child isn’t called by their preferred pronouns/names there is a high chance of suicide. Either it is consequential (ie if we don’t call a child by this name or use this pronoun it may adversely affect the child’s mental health and possibly lead to suicide) or it’s just like any other nickname chance and hence inconsequential. If it’s consequential then parents should know. Simple as that.


Do you even have children or are you just bored?


Clearly you can’t address my point so you decided to just dismiss who I am as a person.


Why don’t you start calling your cis child by the wrong name for a month and let us know how that goes.

Come back when you call Sue Joe for a few years and let me know if she is suicidal.


Ugly
Anonymous
Parent of a trans child here. I appreciate the sage words from fellow trans parents above; to reiterate some of your message, since we live in a more trans-friendly state (MD), I need to state that no child is *ever* receiving any medical intervention without parental support and full knowledge. Absolutely never. It is very challenging, even in a state with trans-supporting policies, to proceed with any type of medical intervention without years of extensive counseling, therapy, & consultation. In our case our child had weekly counseling from middle school onwards, socially transitioned in HS (as a junior), and finally took some medical steps as a legal adult while in college. All with our knowledge and support. Many of these K-12 VA school policies will discriminate against trans kids who have their parents' full support - yet the parents' rights crowd likes to intimate that those who would prefer to exclude any discussion of or support of trans kids are the only parents' voices who matter. Well, my child has the right to have their name, pronouns, and gender identity respected. So do trans kids living in VA. Did you know that many trans kids stop drinking water at school because they are too afraid to use the bathroom? Those children, those parents, those families ALSO legally by right deserve to have their needs met by public schools. I miss good old fashioned libertarian style Republicans who would have said, "I'm not trans but you do you." Let these kids live their lives and stop trying to harass some of the most vulnerable children/people in our society.
Anonymous
Why they lumping all the LGBTQ it's just the trans, sad they want to make it a bigger deal by adding those that don't chop off boobs or penises
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:No mention of parents. Again. And no understanding of Title IX.


It says communities....


And Title IX is mentioned.


Duran is contradicting Title IX by keeping trans girls on women's teams. Competitive girl athletes know this although mostly they don't complain about it. That's starting to change though as more trans girl athletes win.


Why is the right only interested in trans women playing in women's sports. Trans men play in men's sports too. Of course I guess it's not that out of pocket for the right to be more threatened by trans women then trans men. It's pretty on par for then to only care about regulating and punishing women.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1476914/transgender-male-boxer-patricio-manuel-wins-third-fight/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuyler_Bailar#:~:text=Schuyler%20Miwon%20Hong%20Bailar%20(born,transgender%20NCAA%20Division%20I%20swimmer.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Same. I had several students ask me to call them Messi, Ronaldo or Pikachu last year and I did it (but I do teach Kindergarten ) Being a trusted adult is very important to me and I always hope my own kid has the same at school.


How about if a student wanted to be called Trump? Or Jesus Christ?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I think this is not complicated.

1. Schools cannot lie to parents unless there is a clear safety issue which has been documented.

2. Schools do not exist to protect children from their parents.

3. A child may want to transition back.


Number one is irritating me because if your kid asks me to call them a name, I’m going to. I’m not calling home for every kid that does this to check, that’s ridiculous. But it isn’t “lying” to you. If your kid comes out to me, i’m going to assume you know and not call you to discuss. That’s not lying. If your child discloses to me harm, abuse, or danger, I will appropriately report that as I am legally required to do and always have.


Why make so much drama for yourself though? Just call the kid what is on the school records. That's it. Why make it so hard? It makes sense. Go by the name the record indicates. And you know how rare it is to run into an adult who truly uses some other name besides some form of their own name in day to day life. It's rare. I know people who go by their middle name, or a standard nickname, but it's the exception that use an all together different name. Sometimes in life exceptions can't be handled this is one of the of those times.


Says someone who doesn’t teach. I would guess around 30-40% of my students use a name different than the one on record. Sometimes it’s their middle name or a diminutive. Their parents don’t know how to access Studentvue and update the field of nickname. Or! This has happened too!! The parent DOES update the nickname field and it’s a family nickname the kid would NEVER want used to at school. This happened to a Kimberly I taught. Her mom put “Kimmy” in the nickname field. So o called her Kimmy and she said “please don’t use that, only my mom calls me that.” Another kid asked me why all his teachers call him Juanito. I said “It says that’s your nickname.” He says “That’s my dads name and I hate it, call me Juan please.”

It is not as simple as “just go by the record” and we have 110-150 kids a year. We can’t cross check this for every single kid who gives us a preferred name. I’m using the name the kid asks me to call them and moving on. As will 99.99% of other tesvhers.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher. I'm calling a kid by the (reasonable) name they ask me to call them. Period. And if they ask me to use a different name with their parents I'm doing that too.

**LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.**

I'm sure as F going to be that accepting adult without hesitation. It's quite literally the least I can do.


People can’t simultaneously argue that all the child is asking for is to be called something different while also saying if the child isn’t called by their preferred pronouns/names there is a high chance of suicide. Either it is consequential (ie if we don’t call a child by this name or use this pronoun it may adversely affect the child’s mental health and possibly lead to suicide) or it’s just like any other nickname chance and hence inconsequential. If it’s consequential then parents should know. Simple as that.


Do you even have children or are you just bored?


Clearly you can’t address my point so you decided to just dismiss who I am as a person.


Why don’t you start calling your cis child by the wrong name for a month and let us know how that goes.

Come back when you call Sue Joe for a few years and let me know if she is suicidal.


You should call your child by the name (or nickname) you have given them...as should the school staff (acceptable name or nickname is easy to include on school forms). This is not hard.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No mention of parents. Again. And no understanding of Title IX.


It says communities....


And Title IX is mentioned.


Duran is contradicting Title IX by keeping trans girls on women's teams. Competitive girl athletes know this although mostly they don't complain about it. That's starting to change though as more trans girl athletes win.


Why is the right only interested in trans women playing in women's sports. Trans men play in men's sports too. Of course I guess it's not that out of pocket for the right to be more threatened by trans women then trans men. It's pretty on par for then to only care about regulating and punishing women.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1476914/transgender-male-boxer-patricio-manuel-wins-third-fight/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuyler_Bailar#:~:text=Schuyler%20Miwon%20Hong%20Bailar%20(born,transgender%20NCAA%20Division%20I%20swimmer.


You can't be this obtuse. Really?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No mention of parents. Again. And no understanding of Title IX.


It says communities....


And Title IX is mentioned.


Duran is contradicting Title IX by keeping trans girls on women's teams. Competitive girl athletes know this although mostly they don't complain about it. That's starting to change though as more trans girl athletes win.


Why is the right only interested in trans women playing in women's sports. Trans men play in men's sports too. Of course I guess it's not that out of pocket for the right to be more threatened by trans women then trans men. It's pretty on par for then to only care about regulating and punishing women.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1476914/transgender-male-boxer-patricio-manuel-wins-third-fight/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuyler_Bailar#:~:text=Schuyler%20Miwon%20Hong%20Bailar%20(born,transgender%20NCAA%20Division%20I%20swimmer.


Trans boys and men are very rarely winning against boys or men. The ones that do, good for them. Some of them ask to change in the women's locker rooms too.

The point of Title IX, and women's sports, is fairness - to give women an opportunity to win. Because women athletes are just not as strong as men athletes. A lot of people are ignoring that.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No mention of parents. Again. And no understanding of Title IX.


It says communities....


And Title IX is mentioned.


Duran is contradicting Title IX by keeping trans girls on women's teams. Competitive girl athletes know this although mostly they don't complain about it. That's starting to change though as more trans girl athletes win.


Why is the right only interested in trans women playing in women's sports. Trans men play in men's sports too. Of course I guess it's not that out of pocket for the right to be more threatened by trans women then trans men. It's pretty on par for then to only care about regulating and punishing women.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1476914/transgender-male-boxer-patricio-manuel-wins-third-fight/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuyler_Bailar#:~:text=Schuyler%20Miwon%20Hong%20Bailar%20(born,transgender%20NCAA%20Division%20I%20swimmer.


Trans boys and men are very rarely winning against boys or men. The ones that do, good for them. Some of them ask to change in the women's locker rooms too.

The point of Title IX, and women's sports, is fairness - to give women an opportunity to win. Because women athletes are just not as strong as men athletes. A lot of people are ignoring that.


Interestingly, Title IX doesn’t mention gender (identity).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No mention of parents. Again. And no understanding of Title IX.


It says communities....


And Title IX is mentioned.


Duran is contradicting Title IX by keeping trans girls on women's teams. Competitive girl athletes know this although mostly they don't complain about it. That's starting to change though as more trans girl athletes win.


Why is the right only interested in trans women playing in women's sports. Trans men play in men's sports too. Of course I guess it's not that out of pocket for the right to be more threatened by trans women then trans men. It's pretty on par for then to only care about regulating and punishing women.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1476914/transgender-male-boxer-patricio-manuel-wins-third-fight/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuyler_Bailar#:~:text=Schuyler%20Miwon%20Hong%20Bailar%20(born,transgender%20NCAA%20Division%20I%20swimmer.


Trans boys and men are very rarely winning against boys or men. The ones that do, good for them. Some of them ask to change in the women's locker rooms too.

The point of Title IX, and women's sports, is fairness - to give women an opportunity to win. Because women athletes are just not as strong as men athletes. A lot of people are ignoring that.


Interestingly, Title IX doesn’t mention gender (identity).


They are proposing changing that.

https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/fact-sheet-us-department-educations-proposed-change-its-title-ix-regulations-students-eligibility-athletic-teams
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No mention of parents. Again. And no understanding of Title IX.


It says communities....


And Title IX is mentioned.


Duran is contradicting Title IX by keeping trans girls on women's teams. Competitive girl athletes know this although mostly they don't complain about it. That's starting to change though as more trans girl athletes win.


Why is the right only interested in trans women playing in women's sports. Trans men play in men's sports too. Of course I guess it's not that out of pocket for the right to be more threatened by trans women then trans men. It's pretty on par for then to only care about regulating and punishing women.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1476914/transgender-male-boxer-patricio-manuel-wins-third-fight/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuyler_Bailar#:~:text=Schuyler%20Miwon%20Hong%20Bailar%20(born,transgender%20NCAA%20Division%20I%20swimmer.


Because their girls are getting beaten by the trans-girls and not getting the scholarships they think their daughter is entitled to; whereas, trans-boys aren't out-competing the cis-boys....
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