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How does your redshirted kid feel now that she/he is older?
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Anonymous
No wonder Bronx high, stuy, etc clean up. |
Anonymous
When 25-40% of a class is already 6 yo and starting kindergarten sept 1, there is a different dynamic. And that dynamic continues for years until puberty, natural abilities, interests and work ethic take over. |
Anonymous
People generally think of equity concerns as arguing against red shirting. It’s higher SES families who are more likely to red shirt because they can afford it. This means that students who already have SES advantages, also have advantages in age, size, and maturity. My anecdotal observation of redshirting from kids’ classes is that it’s usually not kids with learning challenges who are red shirted, but kids whose parents want them to have an advantage either academically or for sports. |
Anonymous
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Non redshirting culture:
1/12 or 8.3% of kids have a bday each month 8.3% Sept 2000 . . 8.3% August 2001. Redshirting culture schools: 4% March 2000 4% April 2000 4% May 2000 8.3% June 2000 8.3% July 2000 8.3% August 2000 8.3% Sept 2000 8.3% Oct 2000 8.3% Nov 2000 8.3% Dec 2000 8.3% Jan 2001 8.3% Feb 2001 4.3% March 2001 4.3% April 2001 4.3% May 2001 0% June 2001 0% July 2001 0% Aug 2001 |
Anonymous
LOL. GATE/TAG tests are normed by chronological age. Nice try tho. |
Anonymous
| They feel held back. They feel like they should be with the crew one year ahead. |
Anonymous
You have no way of knowing which kids have learning differences; these are only your own biases and desires on display here. Frankly, given how judgmental you sound, I’d never confide in you about a child’s learning differences. You are likely one of the parents that gossips about children in the classroom (something anti-redshirt posters have boasted about before on DCUM) and would not be safe with that information. But in any event, the question is the behavior of anti-redshirters and why they see education as this knock-down vicious competition. That’s similar to the people who object to equity-based changes in education. I have a non-redshirted kid with a learning difference and I recognize the type. They’d rather my kid with dyslexia not be in classes with their kids at all. The only person I know in real life who is loudly against redshirting also told me unasked that I should put my bright but dyslexic kid in a “special school.” Did you read Jeff’s latest description of the anti-redshirt posters in this thread? It hardly demonstrates rational and well-reasoned behavior. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/weblog/update052423 Maybe think a bit about the company you keep. |
Anonymous
New York as a whole did not put the kibash on it. Only NYC public schools did. All the New York City private schools have a 9/1 cutoff. the NY public schools in the suburbs are generally 12/31, but allow redshirting. The private schools in the suburbs have varying cutoffs. What this means in NYC is that any parent who wants to redshirt a fall child will go the private school route if they have the means to do so. The data in NYC is exactly the same: kids with birthdays in the last two months before the cut off are diagnosed with learning disabilities at higher rates. https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear?_amp=true The youngest kids in the grade will always be more likely to he at a disadvantage. The data clearly shows this, and shows that classrooms don’t accommodate the full 12-14 month range of its students, pariticwlry the younger ones. Some young kids won’t be impacted, and some will. It is fair to let the parents decide what to do with a child who falls into this range. In my sons current 4s class with a 12/31 cutoff, there are 11 kids- 5 kids are young with fall bd days. 2 have decided to do jr k (including us) and 3 decided to have their kids move on to K because they felt they were ready. In addition, his class also has 2 current redshirts repeating 4s who turned 5 last fall. It’s pretty common, and if redshirting gives some kids the time they need to mature to cooperate better in the classroom that decision should be up to the school and parents. |
Anonymous
Infuriating. |
Anonymous
It is. It is why NYC is such an outlier in not allowing redshirting, and why very few other districts nationally have taken such a rigid and problematic approach. |
Anonymous
In 8th your super smart kids at a minimum should be in Algebra 2 or even better because they are older in pre calculus. Bragging that a held back 8th grader is only in geometry is strange when that is the average high track. . |
Anonymous
| That’s hilarious, lol! Go jeff! |
Anonymous
I really dislike this poster since they either always comment the same way. I redshirted my twins since they were born 6 weeks early in mid-May, and had some behavior issues when they were young. They are short, and will still be some of the shorter kids in their class, but that is not the reason we held them back, it was their personality. Now that they are Freshmen, they have excelled in travel sports and play the sport with their age peers, not grade peers. They are full of confidence, and at least one is very outgoing. But I do not believe that elementary school is really age-appropriate for boys. Girls, yes, but boys, they just have too much energy to sit in the classroom environment. So I agree that red-shirting does not harm the kids, the other kids have not made an issue out of it that I am aware of, and their grades are always "A"s. I'm sure somewhere in these comments will be slurs and insults about red-shirted kids, as there always are, but if it is good for your kid, then do it. |
Anonymous
I think it is sad. Terrible behavior, yes, but a sad commentary. |
Anonymous
Huh? |