MCEA and Jennifer Martin act like a bunch of lunatics at Council yesterday

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Anonymous wrote:The Council's proclamation was hypocritical lip-service. "Y'all are great. Here's less money than you need."

MCEA can't strike. This was a reasonable balance.

(I'm not part of MCEA.)

I agree. The USA is very anti-union, and this is why workers are treated so poorly. Being legally barred from striking goes against every working person's rights. Since they suffer under this ridiculous and unjust restriction that severely limits their power, MCEA and others are reduced to displays that make them look silly, when it reality it's the law that needs to change, not them. This is like the Jim Crow era, when Blacks were "free" in theory, but second-rate citizens in reality. This is the same situation for workers.

I am not a teacher or union member, but it's very sad to see how many Americans are just clueless about what unions gave them across the decades. Thanks to unions, you have weekends. Support your fellow worker and push for stronger unions. If you do, you might end up with longer parental leave, longer vacations, more affordable healthcare, more retirement.

Oh my goodness, are you mad? It is one thing for workers at a factory to strike. The company loses money and consumers can't get their goods. Oh well.

When public sector workers strike, especially at the local level, it causes widespread issues that impact entire communities. You might as well allow them to put guns to people's heads to demand salary increases.

Public sector unions are very different from private sector unions.

Sure, that's why everybody just shrugged and said "oh well" when the freight railroad unions were about to strike.

yeah, that was very problematic, wasn't it? It would be even worse with local public sector unions which already have undue influence because they basically choose the elected officials that govern their agencies.

Being problematic is the whole point of a strike, whether it's a private sector union or a public sector union. There is no point to a strike where nobody notices or cares that you're striking.

What happens if police and firefighters strike? People die. What happens if teachers strike? Kids don't get an education and at risk for a whole host of negative outcomes, including child neglect and abuse. That's fundamentally different than impacting shareholders' bottom line. The freight workers strike is a good example of a private sector strike that did have widespread impacts. How often do they strike? How much political power do those workers have? Not often, and not a lot. With public sector unions they are both powerful and strikes are deeply impactful. It literally is like holding a gun to people's heads.

If truck drivers and freight workers decided to strike- the whole country as we know it would grind to a screeching halt.

What happens if police and firefighters strike? People die. What happens if teachers strike? Kids don't get an education and at risk for a whole host of negative outcomes, including child neglect and abuse. That's fundamentally different than impacting shareholders' bottom line. The freight workers strike is a good example of a private sector strike that did have widespread impacts. How often do they strike? How much political power do those workers have? Not often, and not a lot. With public sector unions they are both powerful and strikes are deeply impactful. It literally is like holding a gun to people's heads.

It literally is not.

Now, if you're arguing that work in the public sector is more important than most work in the private sector - one contributes to society, the other primarily contributes to the shareholders' bottom line - I'll agree with you. All the more reason to prioritize working conditions for public-sector jobs. We need good people in those jobs.

I'm a public sector worker and I vehemently disagree with the notion that public sector work is fundamentally more important. That's not what I argued and to suggest truck drivers and rail workers are doing unimportant or less important work is frankly offensive. I made a distinction between the political power of different types of workers, a distinction you conveniently ignored.

Where does the political power come from?

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Anonymous wrote:The Council's proclamation was hypocritical lip-service. "Y'all are great. Here's less money than you need."

MCEA can't strike. This was a reasonable balance.

(I'm not part of MCEA.)

I agree. The USA is very anti-union, and this is why workers are treated so poorly. Being legally barred from striking goes against every working person's rights. Since they suffer under this ridiculous and unjust restriction that severely limits their power, MCEA and others are reduced to displays that make them look silly, when it reality it's the law that needs to change, not them. This is like the Jim Crow era, when Blacks were "free" in theory, but second-rate citizens in reality. This is the same situation for workers.

I am not a teacher or union member, but it's very sad to see how many Americans are just clueless about what unions gave them across the decades. Thanks to unions, you have weekends. Support your fellow worker and push for stronger unions. If you do, you might end up with longer parental leave, longer vacations, more affordable healthcare, more retirement.

Oh my goodness, are you mad? It is one thing for workers at a factory to strike. The company loses money and consumers can't get their goods. Oh well.

When public sector workers strike, especially at the local level, it causes widespread issues that impact entire communities. You might as well allow them to put guns to people's heads to demand salary increases.

Public sector unions are very different from private sector unions.

Sure, that's why everybody just shrugged and said "oh well" when the freight railroad unions were about to strike.

yeah, that was very problematic, wasn't it? It would be even worse with local public sector unions which already have undue influence because they basically choose the elected officials that govern their agencies.

Being problematic is the whole point of a strike, whether it's a private sector union or a public sector union. There is no point to a strike where nobody notices or cares that you're striking.

What happens if police and firefighters strike? People die. What happens if teachers strike? Kids don't get an education and at risk for a whole host of negative outcomes, including child neglect and abuse. That's fundamentally different than impacting shareholders' bottom line. The freight workers strike is a good example of a private sector strike that did have widespread impacts. How often do they strike? How much political power do those workers have? Not often, and not a lot. With public sector unions they are both powerful and strikes are deeply impactful. It literally is like holding a gun to people's heads.

If truck drivers and freight workers decided to strike- the whole country as we know it would grind to a screeching halt.

What happens if police and firefighters strike? People die. What happens if teachers strike? Kids don't get an education and at risk for a whole host of negative outcomes, including child neglect and abuse. That's fundamentally different than impacting shareholders' bottom line. The freight workers strike is a good example of a private sector strike that did have widespread impacts. How often do they strike? How much political power do those workers have? Not often, and not a lot. With public sector unions they are both powerful and strikes are deeply impactful. It literally is like holding a gun to people's heads.

It literally is not.

Now, if you're arguing that work in the public sector is more important than most work in the private sector - one contributes to society, the other primarily contributes to the shareholders' bottom line - I'll agree with you. All the more reason to prioritize working conditions for public-sector jobs. We need good people in those jobs.

I'm a public sector worker and I vehemently disagree with the notion that public sector work is fundamentally more important. That's not what I argued and to suggest truck drivers and rail workers are doing unimportant or less important work is frankly offensive. I made a distinction between the political power of different types of workers, a distinction you conveniently ignored.

Where does the political power come from?

Clearly not from the ability to strike

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like we're headed toward 5.7% increase, which is not close to the 10% Elrich and MCPS were insisting were the bare minimum: https://moco360.media/2023/05/16/funding-countys-high-priority-budget-items-would-require-5-7-cent-property-tax-hike/

Also, there will definitely have to be some hard choices made, as the Council is not writing a blank check for even all of the high-priority items:

“Now we have to look at that long list, try to pare it down and try to meet somewhere in the middle—which is probably where we’re going to land,” Albornoz said. “Not all of [the high priority items] are going to make it through.”

This all-or-nothing strategy that MCPS, the BoE and the MCEA took seems to be a big miss.

There goes the virtual academy and anything else remaining that was only stood up because of ESSER funds.

Reports of the VA's death have been greatly exaggerated.

You realize there is still ESSER funding through September 2024, right? The big question has always been about what happens *next* year.

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MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

+1 honestly

The same people will turn around and say we need rent control and not understand the dissonance between capping rents and a 10% property tax increase

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These people don't care about teachers. They make teachers go through a trash pile of binders to try to save their job at the end of the year. Mcea, yall know exactly what im talking bout.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

+1 honestly

The same people will turn around and say we need rent control and not understand the dissonance between capping rents and a 10% property tax increase

This is insulting. I am a teacher and I pride myself on critical thinking. We are bullied into joining MCEA the minute we are hired. They did that dog and pony snow at the council all on their own. I didn’t even know they were going. And I pay attention. There is a clear separation between the MCEA leadership and everyday teachers in the classroom. We do have critical issues that need to be addressed. But I don’t believe for one second MCEA will help resolve any of them.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

+1 honestly

The same people will turn around and say we need rent control and not understand the dissonance between capping rents and a 10% property tax increase

This is insulting. I am a teacher and I pride myself on critical thinking. We are bullied into joining MCEA the minute we are hired. They did that dog and pony snow at the council all on their own. I didn’t even know they were going. And I pay attention. There is a clear separation between the MCEA leadership and everyday teachers in the classroom. We do have critical issues that need to be addressed. But I don’t believe for one second MCEA will help resolve any of them.

Elect different leadership or start a movement to decertify the union. Until either of those things happen, all of you own all of this.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

+1 honestly

The same people will turn around and say we need rent control and not understand the dissonance between capping rents and a 10% property tax increase

This is insulting. I am a teacher and I pride myself on critical thinking. We are bullied into joining MCEA the minute we are hired. They did that dog and pony snow at the council all on their own. I didn’t even know they were going. And I pay attention. There is a clear separation between the MCEA leadership and everyday teachers in the classroom. We do have critical issues that need to be addressed. But I don’t believe for one second MCEA will help resolve any of them.

Elect different leadership or start a movement to decertify the union. Until either of those things happen, all of you own all of this.

Stop blaming us! Just stop it. I am not interested in that. You are really dense. I just want to teach. If wanted to go into politics I would have. YOU are part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

+1 honestly

The same people will turn around and say we need rent control and not understand the dissonance between capping rents and a 10% property tax increase

This is insulting. I am a teacher and I pride myself on critical thinking. We are bullied into joining MCEA the minute we are hired. They did that dog and pony snow at the council all on their own. I didn’t even know they were going. And I pay attention. There is a clear separation between the MCEA leadership and everyday teachers in the classroom. We do have critical issues that need to be addressed. But I don’t believe for one second MCEA will help resolve any of them.

Elect different leadership or start a movement to decertify the union. Until either of those things happen, all of you own all of this.

Must be nice sitting in your castle throwing glass stones.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

+1 honestly

The same people will turn around and say we need rent control and not understand the dissonance between capping rents and a 10% property tax increase

This is insulting. I am a teacher and I pride myself on critical thinking. We are bullied into joining MCEA the minute we are hired. They did that dog and pony snow at the council all on their own. I didn’t even know they were going. And I pay attention. There is a clear separation between the MCEA leadership and everyday teachers in the classroom. We do have critical issues that need to be addressed. But I don’t believe for one second MCEA will help resolve any of them.

Elect different leadership or start a movement to decertify the union. Until either of those things happen, all of you own all of this.

Wow DCUM parents really ARE the worst. Gross

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

+1 honestly

The same people will turn around and say we need rent control and not understand the dissonance between capping rents and a 10% property tax increase

This is insulting. I am a teacher and I pride myself on critical thinking. We are bullied into joining MCEA the minute we are hired. They did that dog and pony snow at the council all on their own. I didn’t even know they were going. And I pay attention. There is a clear separation between the MCEA leadership and everyday teachers in the classroom. We do have critical issues that need to be addressed. But I don’t believe for one second MCEA will help resolve any of them.

If you don’t speak for yourself, then the union speaks for you.

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Anonymous wrote:MCEA continues to fail to read the room. Whatever good will they built up since the pandemic ended is gone again, and they’re probably worse off than when they refused to go back to schools in person after running over senior citizens to get vaccinated.

Their histrionics today are just embarrassing.

The statement makes me question whether MCPS teachers have any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

+1 honestly

The same people will turn around and say we need rent control and not understand the dissonance between capping rents and a 10% property tax increase

This is insulting. I am a teacher and I pride myself on critical thinking. We are bullied into joining MCEA the minute we are hired. They did that dog and pony snow at the council all on their own. I didn’t even know they were going. And I pay attention. There is a clear separation between the MCEA leadership and everyday teachers in the classroom. We do have critical issues that need to be addressed. But I don’t believe for one second MCEA will help resolve any of them.

If you don’t speak for yourself, then the union speaks for you.

Thanks for the helpful advice. 🙄