Massive pentagon leak re Ukraine conflict

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Anonymous wrote:So, he's anti-war, yet he's in the armed forces?

"Anti-war" is a phrase Republicans/MAGA are using instead of "pro-Putin" / "pro-fascist."

They are "anti" supporting Ukraine's war efforts to defend itself against Putin/Russian invaders.

Being a Putin toady is an article of faith among Trump/MAGAs. But, don't worry, they love "freedom"!

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Anonymous wrote:I've no idea what his motive was, but he should be punished in any case.

However, I am more disturbed that so many people have access to so much information.

This should go up the chain of command for negligence--beginning with whoever approved him for this clearance. How much training did this kid get on what would happen if he shared information? Did he get any training on the seriousness of his job?

We hear an awful lot about training on social issues, sexual issues, etc. How much training are these young people getting on the importance of their jobs.

Wow slow down there skippy! That is not how things work and why after Snowden(low level employee) we are seeing the same thing. There will be no comprehensive review as to why a low level employee has access to all the top secret files(many that are outside of his purview), can make copies, just take them home or post on the web(for months before anyone notices).

DO NOT LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN….you will be arrested! So next times this happens do not ask these type of questions

There is potential that this guy is just being made the fall guy for much higher ups.

This crossed my mind.

Anyone recall the Navy ship that blew up? They tried to blame a group of young kids, stating they were trying to commit suicide and take others down with them? Parents squawked, Senators got involved and forced an investigation. Turned out there was something really wrong with the gun powder the Navy had purchased. The poor kids were killed by bad gun powder, and higher ups tried to cover their asses by blaming blameless young boys.

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Anonymous wrote:Per the NYTs, these documents would’ve only been viewable in a SCIF. And phones & cameras are banned from SCIFs.

So how did a camera get inside a SCIF?

My money is that this leak is from someone inside Congress

Oh, FFS. Someone in Congress did not leak this.

Perhaps if leaks had been taken more seriously in the past, this crap would not be happening.

People have been leaking stuff for a while now, and very rarely suffer any ramifications.

Republican congressmen showed during the first impeachment that they have no respect for SCIFs.

Exactly. And everyone I know who works in SCIFs is under strict rules about phones and cameras.

I will snicker a little when we find that this leak was from some far-left Democrat trying to impress his friends.

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He’s a “young, charismatic gun enthusiast.”

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Washington Post reporters got hold of members of the Discord channel where the leaks were posted, they know the poster, and said he is in his 20s, currently serving in the military, conservative, gun enthusiast, and he got the documents from a military base that he serves on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/12/discord-leaked-documents/

Will probably get caught very soon.

Oh this is a lot of stuff being leaked. Not many people have access to all these docs. Should be easy to track him down.

Need to find him like immediately. I don't want to be gruesome, but there's a self-harm risk here.

I would assume that they've already identified him. Heck the WaPo puff piece about him and the kids he groomed has enough detail in it for anyone with subpoena power to easily follow the trail. All that's left now is to find out whether the leaker was just an insecure narcissist trying to impress a bunch of teenagers or something more sinister. Either way the mom from that article needs to hire their son a lawyer ASAP.

Why did the mom let her son speak to WaPo in the first place?! The kid didn’t even obstruct his voice too

Uhm maybe mom wants the protection that comes with being a known entity. If the kid remained anonymous and never said anything to anyone, it would be a lot easier to manipulate him further, if people wanted to. That’s my take anyway. I think it was smart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've no idea what his motive was, but he should be punished in any case.

However, I am more disturbed that so many people have access to so much information.

This should go up the chain of command for negligence--beginning with whoever approved him for this clearance. How much training did this kid get on what would happen if he shared information? Did he get any training on the seriousness of his job?

We hear an awful lot about training on social issues, sexual issues, etc. How much training are these young people getting on the importance of their jobs.

Wow slow down there skippy! That is not how things work and why after Snowden(low level employee) we are seeing the same thing. There will be no comprehensive review as to why a low level employee has access to all the top secret files(many that are outside of his purview), can make copies, just take them home or post on the web(for months before anyone notices).

DO NOT LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN….you will be arrested! So next times this happens do not ask these type of questions

There is potential that this guy is just being made the fall guy for much higher ups.

This crossed my mind.

Anyone recall the Navy ship that blew up? They tried to blame a group of young kids, stating they were trying to commit suicide and take others down with them? Parents squawked, Senators got involved and forced an investigation. Turned out there was something really wrong with the gun powder the Navy had purchased. The poor kids were killed by bad gun powder, and higher ups tried to cover their asses by blaming blameless young boys.

This guy left 3 years' worth of digital footprints, with witnesses, but don't let that stop your paranoid fantasies. No wonder you guys fall for that Qanon stuff.

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Is the military ever embarrassed by all the issues in that organization? Both the leak and even having this guy in their service?

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Anonymous wrote:Is the military ever embarrassed by all the issues in that organization? Both the leak and even having this guy in their service?

Every organization has issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Per the NYTs, these documents would’ve only been viewable in a SCIF. And phones & cameras are banned from SCIFs.

So how did a camera get inside a SCIF?

My money is that this leak is from someone inside Congress

Oh, FFS. Someone in Congress did not leak this.

Perhaps if leaks had been taken more seriously in the past, this crap would not be happening.

People have been leaking stuff for a while now, and very rarely suffer any ramifications.

Republican congressmen showed during the first impeachment that they have no respect for SCIFs.

Exactly. And everyone I know who works in SCIFs is under strict rules about phones and cameras.

I will snicker a little when we find that this leak was from some far-left Democrat trying to impress his friends.

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He’s a “young, charismatic gun enthusiast.”

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Washington Post reporters got hold of members of the Discord channel where the leaks were posted, they know the poster, and said he is in his 20s, currently serving in the military, conservative, gun enthusiast, and he got the documents from a military base that he serves on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/12/discord-leaked-documents/

Will probably get caught very soon.

Oh this is a lot of stuff being leaked. Not many people have access to all these docs. Should be easy to track him down.

Need to find him like immediately. I don't want to be gruesome, but there's a self-harm risk here.

I would assume that they've already identified him. Heck the WaPo puff piece about him and the kids he groomed has enough detail in it for anyone with subpoena power to easily follow the trail. All that's left now is to find out whether the leaker was just an insecure narcissist trying to impress a bunch of teenagers or something more sinister. Either way the mom from that article needs to hire their son a lawyer ASAP.

Why did the mom let her son speak to WaPo in the first place?! The kid didn’t even obstruct his voice too

Uhm maybe mom wants the protection that comes with being a known entity. If the kid remained anonymous and never said anything to anyone, it would be a lot easier to manipulate him further, if people wanted to. That’s my take anyway. I think it was smart.

His name was Lucca he lived on the second floor

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Anonymous wrote:Is the military ever embarrassed by all the issues in that organization? Both the leak and even having this guy in their service?

According to the latest WaPp, his stepdad was a just retired Master Sergeant in the same unit.


Should also mention that WaPo should be ashamed of itself for trying to take credit for breaking the story. At least the NYT gave the person who broke it a byline.

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Can someone explain to me how a 21-year old has access to this kind of trove of highly secret documents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me how a 21-year old has access to this kind of trove of highly secret documents?

It's the norm in the military. He's old enough to drink, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me how a 21-year old has access to this kind of trove of highly secret documents?

It's the norm in the military. He's old enough to drink, too.

It’s definitely not the norm. Most enlisted don’t even have a clearance.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain to me how a 21-year old has access to this kind of trove of highly secret documents?

It's the norm in the military. He's old enough to drink, too.

It’s definitely not the norm. Most enlisted don’t even have a clearance.

Most enlisted don't need clearance. It is the norm for those who do.

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Anonymous wrote:Per the NYTs, these documents would’ve only been viewable in a SCIF. And phones & cameras are banned from SCIFs.

So how did a camera get inside a SCIF?

My money is that this leak is from someone inside Congress

Oh, FFS. Someone in Congress did not leak this.

Perhaps if leaks had been taken more seriously in the past, this crap would not be happening.

People have been leaking stuff for a while now, and very rarely suffer any ramifications.

Republican congressmen showed during the first impeachment that they have no respect for SCIFs.

Exactly. And everyone I know who works in SCIFs is under strict rules about phones and cameras.

I will snicker a little when we find that this leak was from some far-left Democrat trying to impress his friends.

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He’s a “young, charismatic gun enthusiast.”

+1

Washington Post reporters got hold of members of the Discord channel where the leaks were posted, they know the poster, and said he is in his 20s, currently serving in the military, conservative, gun enthusiast, and he got the documents from a military base that he serves on. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/12/discord-leaked-documents/

Will probably get caught very soon.

Oh this is a lot of stuff being leaked. Not many people have access to all these docs. Should be easy to track him down.

Need to find him like immediately. I don't want to be gruesome, but there's a self-harm risk here.

I would assume that they've already identified him. Heck the WaPo puff piece about him and the kids he groomed has enough detail in it for anyone with subpoena power to easily follow the trail. All that's left now is to find out whether the leaker was just an insecure narcissist trying to impress a bunch of teenagers or something more sinister. Either way the mom from that article needs to hire their son a lawyer ASAP.

Why did the mom let her son speak to WaPo in the first place?! The kid didn’t even obstruct his voice too

Uhm maybe mom wants the protection that comes with being a known entity. If the kid remained anonymous and never said anything to anyone, it would be a lot easier to manipulate him further, if people wanted to. That’s my take anyway. I think it was smart.

Not with what he said to WaPo. Even the journalists writing the article expressed surprise. If the mother was smart, she'd have hired a lawyer, who would have most likely told the kid to shut up, or possibly coached the kid through his interview (very unlikely).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So is the part about 14 special forces on the ground true?

If it is, so what? What difference does it make? Do you think 14 special forces dudes can take out 200,000 Russian troops? Have you been watching too many action movies?
Again they were probably there as observers, advisors and trainers.

Well a couple of things.

1) We were told that there are no troops on the ground
2) The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States.
3) This is what we did in vietnam as advisors/trainers which lead to actual war
4) This means we are actually at war, and Russia can go after us in any way they want

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is the military ever embarrassed by all the issues in that organization? Both the leak and even having this guy in their service?

According to the latest WaPp, his stepdad was a just retired Master Sergeant in the same unit.


Should also mention that WaPo should be ashamed of itself for trying to take credit for breaking the story. At least the NYT gave the person who broke it a byline.

What do you mean? WaPo interviewed one of the minors in the original Discord server. It's an exclusive. The interviewee is not named as a courtesy because he wishes not to be.

That article appeared this morning, before the NYT's identification of the suspect. WaPo did indeed break a story. The NYT broke another.