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Let me explain one more time for those in the back. Here is a dog rescue for Labs. https://www.lab-rescue.org/dogs If you look at the available labs they will say "good with kids OVER 10 or no cats" So, yes not all dogs are good in every home environment. Even the beloved Lab. Maybe it was the fact that they were rescued ( hint hint..who raised them to make them like that) or maybe it is their temperment...? or maybe a bit of both.

Also, German Shepherds, Chows, Rottweilers, Doberman pinchers, Cane Corso, Presa Canario also have the potential for deadly harm. And yet, they are not banned

https://faunalytics.org/battling-a-bad-reputation-why-do-so-many-people-dislike-pit-bulls/#:~:text=The%20paper%20begins%20with%20some,were%20portrayed%20as%20vicious%20killers.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me explain one more time for those in the back. Here is a dog rescue for Labs. https://www.lab-rescue.org/dogs If you look at the available labs they will say "good with kids OVER 10 or no cats" So, yes not all dogs are good in every home environment. Even the beloved Lab. Maybe it was the fact that they were rescued ( hint hint..who raised them to make them like that) or maybe it is their temperment...? or maybe a bit of both.

Also, German Shepherds, Chows, Rottweilers, Doberman pinchers, Cane Corso, Presa Canario also have the potential for deadly harm. And yet, they are not banned

https://faunalytics.org/battling-a-bad-reputation-why-do-so-many-people-dislike-pit-bulls/#:~:text=The%20paper%20begins%20with%20some,were%20portrayed%20as%20vicious%20killers.

Because their owners tend to be decent people and aware that their dog has the potential for deadly harm. In fact most dog owners with “niche” dogs, like huskies, Australian cattle dogs, Akitas, German Shepherds, don’t try to sell John Q. Public on their dog. They don’t gaslight people into pretending their dog’s breed is suitable for everyone. Pit bull owners OTOH want their idiot monsters to be police dogs, service animals, emotional service animals (and their entitled owner buying a vest and loudly shouting at anyone asking questions is the most qualified any pit bull is), nursing home visiting dogs, NaNnY dOgS.

Furthermore, the owners of the above breeds spay and neuter their animals at the normal rate. They don’t engage in backyard breeding and then try to sell the “blue nose” pups for $2000 each.

Not sure what your little rescue aside is meant for. Pit bulls aren’t suitable for children because they have a tendency to snap over normal human behavior, whereas the dogs you linked to will just eat the child’s socks.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me explain one more time for those in the back. Here is a dog rescue for Labs. https://www.lab-rescue.org/dogs If you look at the available labs they will say "good with kids OVER 10 or no cats" So, yes not all dogs are good in every home environment. Even the beloved Lab. Maybe it was the fact that they were rescued ( hint hint..who raised them to make them like that) or maybe it is their temperment...? or maybe a bit of both.

Also, German Shepherds, Chows, Rottweilers, Doberman pinchers, Cane Corso, Presa Canario also have the potential for deadly harm. And yet, they are not banned

https://faunalytics.org/battling-a-bad-reputation-why-do-so-many-people-dislike-pit-bulls/#:~:text=The%20paper%20begins%20with%20some,were%20portrayed%20as%20vicious%20killers.

Because their owners tend to be decent people and aware that their dog has the potential for deadly harm. In fact most dog owners with “niche” dogs, like huskies, Australian cattle dogs, Akitas, German Shepherds, don’t try to sell John Q. Public on their dog. They don’t gaslight people into pretending their dog’s breed is suitable for everyone. Pit bull owners OTOH want their idiot monsters to be police dogs, service animals, emotional service animals (and their entitled owner buying a vest and loudly shouting at anyone asking questions is the most qualified any pit bull is), nursing home visiting dogs, NaNnY dOgS.

Furthermore, the owners of the above breeds spay and neuter their animals at the normal rate. They don’t engage in backyard breeding and then try to sell the “blue nose” pups for $2000 each.

Not sure what your little rescue aside is meant for. Pit bulls aren’t suitable for children because they have a tendency to snap over normal human behavior, whereas the dogs you linked to will just eat the child’s socks.

I've never said that "pit bull types" are for everyone. I've never said don't spay or neuter. My dog is neutered. There are extremely bad owners who mistreat their dogs and try to train them to fight. They should be punished, not the dogs. And the example I gave was that not every dog is suited to every household. I am all for coming down hard on the backyard breeder. Are you?

The problem I have is people like you brushing a broad stroke on EVERY dog that has pit. Because you are talking about five different breeds with varying degree of pit in them. And let me tell you not every owner of the other type of dogs are "decent". Even the notorious Michael Vick's dogs many were rehabilitated and you would have killed them all.

https://bestfriends.org/sanctuary/about-sanctuary/vicktory-dogs

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Anonymous wrote:Let me explain one more time for those in the back. Here is a dog rescue for Labs. https://www.lab-rescue.org/dogs If you look at the available labs they will say "good with kids OVER 10 or no cats" So, yes not all dogs are good in every home environment. Even the beloved Lab. Maybe it was the fact that they were rescued ( hint hint..who raised them to make them like that) or maybe it is their temperment...? or maybe a bit of both.

Also, German Shepherds, Chows, Rottweilers, Doberman pinchers, Cane Corso, Presa Canario also have the potential for deadly harm. And yet, they are not banned

https://faunalytics.org/battling-a-bad-reputation-why-do-so-many-people-dislike-pit-bulls/#:~:text=The%20paper%20begins%20with%20some,were%20portrayed%20as%20vicious%20killers.

Because their owners tend to be decent people and aware that their dog has the potential for deadly harm. In fact most dog owners with “niche” dogs, like huskies, Australian cattle dogs, Akitas, German Shepherds, don’t try to sell John Q. Public on their dog. They don’t gaslight people into pretending their dog’s breed is suitable for everyone. Pit bull owners OTOH want their idiot monsters to be police dogs, service animals, emotional service animals (and their entitled owner buying a vest and loudly shouting at anyone asking questions is the most qualified any pit bull is), nursing home visiting dogs, NaNnY dOgS.

Furthermore, the owners of the above breeds spay and neuter their animals at the normal rate. They don’t engage in backyard breeding and then try to sell the “blue nose” pups for $2000 each.

Not sure what your little rescue aside is meant for. Pit bulls aren’t suitable for children because they have a tendency to snap over normal human behavior, whereas the dogs you linked to will just eat the child’s socks.

I've never said that "pit bull types" are for everyone. I've never said don't spay or neuter. My dog is neutered. There are extremely bad owners who mistreat their dogs and try to train them to fight. They should be punished, not the dogs. And the example I gave was that not every dog is suited to every household. I am all for coming down hard on the backyard breeder. Are you?

The problem I have is people like you brushing a broad stroke on EVERY dog that has pit. Because you are talking about five different breeds with varying degree of pit in them. And let me tell you not every owner of the other type of dogs are "decent". Even the notorious Michael Vick's dogs many were rehabilitated and you would have killed them all.

https://bestfriends.org/sanctuary/about-sanctuary/vicktory-dogs

Most of those dogs went to a sanctuary because they weren’t fit for living with humans. Those that were adopted went into the homes of pit bull advocates, so not exactly neutral witnesses. Here’s another greasily pro pit article. Best Friends, the sketchy org you cited, is all over this article. And given the way they treat dogs with bite histories, which is to say lying about both breed and bite history and moving them around the continent, I wouldn’t trust them. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/sports/michael-vick-dogfighting-dogs/

And yes I am painting “all five breeds” (pit bulls are simultaneously not a breed, or only this breed or only that breed or you’re a dog racist or the best breed ever; they’re magic!) with the same brush. If they descended, as all these wretched dogs do, from dogs bred to take down bears and bulls, they all have that in their DNA. That’s not a “broad brush” that’s common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me explain one more time for those in the back. Here is a dog rescue for Labs. https://www.lab-rescue.org/dogs If you look at the available labs they will say "good with kids OVER 10 or no cats" So, yes not all dogs are good in every home environment. Even the beloved Lab. Maybe it was the fact that they were rescued ( hint hint..who raised them to make them like that) or maybe it is their temperment...? or maybe a bit of both.

Also, German Shepherds, Chows, Rottweilers, Doberman pinchers, Cane Corso, Presa Canario also have the potential for deadly harm. And yet, they are not banned

https://faunalytics.org/battling-a-bad-reputation-why-do-so-many-people-dislike-pit-bulls/#:~:text=The%20paper%20begins%20with%20some,were%20portrayed%20as%20vicious%20killers.

Because their owners tend to be decent people and aware that their dog has the potential for deadly harm. In fact most dog owners with “niche” dogs, like huskies, Australian cattle dogs, Akitas, German Shepherds, don’t try to sell John Q. Public on their dog. They don’t gaslight people into pretending their dog’s breed is suitable for everyone. Pit bull owners OTOH want their idiot monsters to be police dogs, service animals, emotional service animals (and their entitled owner buying a vest and loudly shouting at anyone asking questions is the most qualified any pit bull is), nursing home visiting dogs, NaNnY dOgS.

Furthermore, the owners of the above breeds spay and neuter their animals at the normal rate. They don’t engage in backyard breeding and then try to sell the “blue nose” pups for $2000 each.

Not sure what your little rescue aside is meant for. Pit bulls aren’t suitable for children because they have a tendency to snap over normal human behavior, whereas the dogs you linked to will just eat the child’s socks.

I've never said that "pit bull types" are for everyone. I've never said don't spay or neuter. My dog is neutered. There are extremely bad owners who mistreat their dogs and try to train them to fight. They should be punished, not the dogs. And the example I gave was that not every dog is suited to every household. I am all for coming down hard on the backyard breeder. Are you?

The problem I have is people like you brushing a broad stroke on EVERY dog that has pit. Because you are talking about five different breeds with varying degree of pit in them. And let me tell you not every owner of the other type of dogs are "decent". Even the notorious Michael Vick's dogs many were rehabilitated and you would have killed them all.

https://bestfriends.org/sanctuary/about-sanctuary/vicktory-dogs

Most of those dogs went to a sanctuary because they weren’t fit for living with humans. Those that were adopted went into the homes of pit bull advocates, so not exactly neutral witnesses. Here’s another greasily pro pit article. Best Friends, the sketchy org you cited, is all over this article. And given the way they treat dogs with bite histories, which is to say lying about both breed and bite history and moving them around the continent, I wouldn’t trust them. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/sports/michael-vick-dogfighting-dogs/

And yes I am painting “all five breeds” (pit bulls are simultaneously not a breed, or only this breed or only that breed or you’re a dog racist or the best breed ever; they’re magic!) with the same brush. If they descended, as all these wretched dogs do, from dogs bred to take down bears and bulls, they all have that in their DNA. That’s not a “broad brush” that’s common sense.

I'm officially done arguing with people who refuse to answer my questions.

I love all dogs amd believe ALL dogs are innocent. I am going to double my efforts against you anti-pit people. So thanks for the motivation.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.salon.com/2023/09/08/dog-bites-are-on-the-rise-reports-but-its-unclear-whats-driving-the-trend/

Deadly dog bites are on the rise in the last three years. Gee. Whatever could be the cause of this.

Did you read the article? It doesn't blame the dogs or any specific breed but, the fault is on the humans who don't know how to read dog's clues. So, thanks for making my point!

I did read the article. You might be in denial about what these bred for aggression and reactivity and tenacity blood thirsty dogs are capable of, but unfortunately thousands of dogs and cats and hundreds of people have lost their lives. That’s a fact.

Facts:

https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/pitbull-statistics/

Ahh the good old - and debunked - Animal Temperment Test.

XL Bullies are banned in England. People are seeing through the lies pit bull people tell. People are starting to notice that even sweet family pets just snap and ear some old person. They’ve noticed that “support” animals eat their owner when they’re having a seizure. Too many people have seen videos of attacking pit bulls being hit repeatedly, shot sometimes even, and still out for toddler blood. The jig is up.

You are moving the goal post. We aren't talking about XL bullies

Pit Bulls are banned in the UK along with a couple of other aggressive breeds. XL Pit Bulls are next on the list to be banned.

There are so many dog breeds to choose from. Why choose a pit? I want this breed to be eliminated. All current pits should be spayed or neutered and the breed should die out via attrition.

I would love to see this as well. I have started carrying a handgun as I have seen too many off-leash pits and reckless pit owners even in my UMC neighborhood’s dog park.

It’s unreasonable to ask the general public to be okay with the risk of death or severe damage just so some schmucks can be pit bull owners.

OAN I believe there is something fundamentally wrong with people that seek out these dogs as pets.

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with you that condemns five breeds of dog. I remember when other dogs were the "villians" and now it is pit bulls turn. I am more likely to be killed by a person while in school or movie theatre than a pit bull. Again humans kill more pit bulls and humans than pit bulls do. But, I suppose logic isn't your strong suit.

Can you say logic is not somebody strong suit and you're comparing humans with Pitbulls?Try a I question your logic skills

Your sentence doesn't make any sense. We are talking about our risks in life. Statistically, we are at greater risk from humans than pit bulls. Sorry you don't get it.

You are comparing apples and oranges The poster was talking about eliminating a breed due to its tendency to be more violent than other breeds. And in talking about eliminating the breed, another poster is not talking about killing all pitbull's, but neutering and spaying all pitbull and pitbull mixes so the breed could be eliminated by attrition. Nothing wrong with that suggestion. We don't need more unwanted puppies.

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And oh do pit bulls have unwanted puppies. So many puppies.

I’d also be comfortable with pit bulls that bite and maim being put down in addition to neuter and spaying; that’s not a rule anymore. Lots of these “oh he’s a sweet lump of a shelter dog, he’s a couch hippo!” have bite histories, sometimes complex bite histories. The world is not the chew toy of the blood sport dog and since these people insist on bringing their bred for blood sport dogs everywhere they go, we’re all at risk.

What are you smoking? Pit Bulls are the number 1 dogs that are put down. I believe it is about 1 million. You will never fully eliminate any pit because of the mixes. Even if they have 10 percent pit you people are so bloodthirsty that you will kill them too. Again, statistically speaking the chance of you being killed by a pit bull is very small. You cannot say the same thing for humans.

If all pits and pit mixes were spayed or neutered to be eliminated by attrition, there will be less Pitbulls to be put down. I think that is the best and most humane solution.

I agree with the spaying and neutering and as a responsible owner I have done so but, you never answered what % of pit would be "acceptable" to you. Since the macho guys who abuse animals also breed them I do not see your solution actually working.

How about any percentage over 25% and/or has that rictus grin mouth and the butt crack head.

Just fyi you are a terrible human. Imagine judging a dog with 25% pit and 75% Lab as a dog not worthy of living. But you are not the boss of anyone so we can ignore your wishes

Neutering isn't the same thing as deeming them not worthy of living

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What a bizarre overreaction.

If you had followed the thread the pp said that "they want to neuter and spay them out of existence" So, they want ZERO in the world. Not American pit bull terriers, not American Staffs, no mixes NONE. And you tell me I've overreacting!

Correct. And you are over reacting in my opinion. What is wrong with having no more pit bull and pitbull mixes within the next 20 years?

Because I and other people like them. You I could do without

Lol. There’s the pit bull owner charm.

I, too, would be fine with zero pit bulls. AKC recognizes about 200 dog breeds. If you can’t find one, maybe you’re just not a dog person.

I would be fine if you don't exist either but here we are. You don't have to like every dog but, they are dogs and many people love them. I found my dog so that makes me by definition a "dog person"

I honestly have to wonder if you’re anti pit bull and just doing an excellent parody of a pit owner, because as parody, this is absolutely choice.

?? Now I know you are high. I have a dog, which is a mix of a bunch of breeds including American pit bull terrier. I love him to bits and he is my dog. I chose him and I love him. I have friends who also have pit mixes and they love their dogs. Why would you assume I am anti-pit?? You do not have to love my dog or any pit but, you do not have the right to ban them out of existence. Or smear dogs just because you are anti-pit

See what I mean? You’re pitch perfect, by the way, as a pit bull owner totally lacking in self awareness and willing to sacrifice everyone else’s safety for your wants and whims. Like I applaud you, pp, as your parody of a pit bull owner is unparalleled. 👏🏻

Right back at ya. And where is this sacriface? My dog hasn't done anything! He is well trained unlike many doodles. So take your applause and shove it.

You’re this mad at people sharing mild opinions. No one is coming for your dog; at least not until it magggggically escapes and eats someone else’s dog, or worse, their child. We’re talking about 100% spay and neuter, instead of the 20% spay/neuter rate that pit bulls have currently. A slow attrition of dogs not fit for human company. Go get a Golden or something and experience real dog ownership.

So I'm "mad" but you are not? Again for those in the back. You do not have the right to tell me what dog I should get. Why don't you get a pit bull and experience real dog ownership? Anyone can train a golden!

NP. So, you're saying it takes special skill to train a Pit? Like there is something that makes them uniquely challenging that you have to conquer and train out? I thought that they were innately made to be nanny dogs that are good for most families and that's why they're handing them out for free to every ahole who shows up? Goldens are easy so anyone could train them, but pits are...??? What??

You're losing the narrative.

You are reading way into my comment. I just was getting a dig. I never said "all pit bulls" are good for ALL families. In fact, if you go to rescues they will tell you kids must be over 12 or must be only dog or no cats. This goes for ALL dogs! Just tired of you saying I wasn't a real dog owner because I don't own a golden! A dog that I have nothing against but, the fact is AKC has ruined it and most other purebred dogs. Also, you should judge the actions of the dog not the appearance. Not all pit bulls are bad and in fact many are very good dogs!

You’re talking with more than one person, btw.

And no, ”ALL dogs” do not need to be kept in child free, dog free, cat free homes. That’s something unique to this dumpster breed. No other dog habitually mauls other pets to death, no other dog chews through doors and drywall and destroys sofas, no other dog fatally mauls newborns for the crime of crying, no other dog attacks for men being present, wearing short sleeves, sneezing or walking. These are all literal excuses provided by pit bull owners for their crap dogs fatally attacking people.

All pit bulls, unique from decent dogs, have the temperament and physical ability to bite, maim and maul. Pediatricians, trauma doctors and trauma surgeons, plastic surgeons, they’re all very clear that these are not dogs suitable for human companionship. In many ways, we have bred the dog out of these dogs. They’re something else. No one’s judging these dogs by their admittedly awful appearance. We’re judging them by their actions and by their terrible owners, people who say things like “I wouldn’t miss you if you didn’t exist.” Like that.

I’m the poster from a few pages back who once prosecuted dangerous dog cases and got very well educated on the subject. I don’t like pit bulls and other bully breeds and I have little use for GSDs and Alsatians and Rottweilers and Dobermans as family pets, because most people are too stupid and lazy to train them properly and to recognize the signs when they are about to rip a kid’s face off.

What you are asserting is 100% not correct. Yes for a number of reasons pit bulls and other bully breeds are more dangerous than most dogs and statistics certainly bear that out.

But, EVERY DOG IS POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS. Period!

Chihuahuas have killed human infants, and small dogs are responsible for more dog bites than other breeds. https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/05/small-dogs-why-are-tiny-hounds-more-aggressive-than-big-ones

Golden retrievers and Labrador retrievers have killed human infants. Numerous times, here’s just one story. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132912/amp/Horror-family-dog-kills-dismembers-month-old-baby-father-slept.html

ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS!! No matter the size, the breed, the apparent temperament. They can ALL be dogs that should be a sole pet, or in families without children, or have a female owner but not a male owner - all the restrictions you listed.

The problem with ALL dogs is the human owners, period. Human owners/handlers are responsible for 100% of dog attacks, period.

So many humans proclaim themselves know it alls about dogs, but very few actually take the time to educate themselves about predictable canid behaviors and reliable ways to avoid unwanted behaviors and ‘attacks’ on other pets, children, elders and even the hand that feeds.

Pits and other bully breeds should be spayed and neutered to extinction because they no longer serve their original purpose and they are more dangerous as family pets than most breeds. But ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS and so long as there are stupid/arrogant parents, grandparents, guardians, etc. there will be children who are killed and maimed by dogs, who then get killed themselves - and both are entirely innocent.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.salon.com/2023/09/08/dog-bites-are-on-the-rise-reports-but-its-unclear-whats-driving-the-trend/

Deadly dog bites are on the rise in the last three years. Gee. Whatever could be the cause of this.

Did you read the article? It doesn't blame the dogs or any specific breed but, the fault is on the humans who don't know how to read dog's clues. So, thanks for making my point!

I did read the article. You might be in denial about what these bred for aggression and reactivity and tenacity blood thirsty dogs are capable of, but unfortunately thousands of dogs and cats and hundreds of people have lost their lives. That’s a fact.

Facts:

https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/pitbull-statistics/

Ahh the good old - and debunked - Animal Temperment Test.

XL Bullies are banned in England. People are seeing through the lies pit bull people tell. People are starting to notice that even sweet family pets just snap and ear some old person. They’ve noticed that “support” animals eat their owner when they’re having a seizure. Too many people have seen videos of attacking pit bulls being hit repeatedly, shot sometimes even, and still out for toddler blood. The jig is up.

You are moving the goal post. We aren't talking about XL bullies

Pit Bulls are banned in the UK along with a couple of other aggressive breeds. XL Pit Bulls are next on the list to be banned.

There are so many dog breeds to choose from. Why choose a pit? I want this breed to be eliminated. All current pits should be spayed or neutered and the breed should die out via attrition.

I would love to see this as well. I have started carrying a handgun as I have seen too many off-leash pits and reckless pit owners even in my UMC neighborhood’s dog park.

It’s unreasonable to ask the general public to be okay with the risk of death or severe damage just so some schmucks can be pit bull owners.

OAN I believe there is something fundamentally wrong with people that seek out these dogs as pets.

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with you that condemns five breeds of dog. I remember when other dogs were the "villians" and now it is pit bulls turn. I am more likely to be killed by a person while in school or movie theatre than a pit bull. Again humans kill more pit bulls and humans than pit bulls do. But, I suppose logic isn't your strong suit.

Can you say logic is not somebody strong suit and you're comparing humans with Pitbulls?Try a I question your logic skills

Your sentence doesn't make any sense. We are talking about our risks in life. Statistically, we are at greater risk from humans than pit bulls. Sorry you don't get it.

You are comparing apples and oranges The poster was talking about eliminating a breed due to its tendency to be more violent than other breeds. And in talking about eliminating the breed, another poster is not talking about killing all pitbull's, but neutering and spaying all pitbull and pitbull mixes so the breed could be eliminated by attrition. Nothing wrong with that suggestion. We don't need more unwanted puppies.

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And oh do pit bulls have unwanted puppies. So many puppies.

I’d also be comfortable with pit bulls that bite and maim being put down in addition to neuter and spaying; that’s not a rule anymore. Lots of these “oh he’s a sweet lump of a shelter dog, he’s a couch hippo!” have bite histories, sometimes complex bite histories. The world is not the chew toy of the blood sport dog and since these people insist on bringing their bred for blood sport dogs everywhere they go, we’re all at risk.

What are you smoking? Pit Bulls are the number 1 dogs that are put down. I believe it is about 1 million. You will never fully eliminate any pit because of the mixes. Even if they have 10 percent pit you people are so bloodthirsty that you will kill them too. Again, statistically speaking the chance of you being killed by a pit bull is very small. You cannot say the same thing for humans.

If all pits and pit mixes were spayed or neutered to be eliminated by attrition, there will be less Pitbulls to be put down. I think that is the best and most humane solution.

I agree with the spaying and neutering and as a responsible owner I have done so but, you never answered what % of pit would be "acceptable" to you. Since the macho guys who abuse animals also breed them I do not see your solution actually working.

How about any percentage over 25% and/or has that rictus grin mouth and the butt crack head.

Just fyi you are a terrible human. Imagine judging a dog with 25% pit and 75% Lab as a dog not worthy of living. But you are not the boss of anyone so we can ignore your wishes

Neutering isn't the same thing as deeming them not worthy of living

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What a bizarre overreaction.

If you had followed the thread the pp said that "they want to neuter and spay them out of existence" So, they want ZERO in the world. Not American pit bull terriers, not American Staffs, no mixes NONE. And you tell me I've overreacting!

Correct. And you are over reacting in my opinion. What is wrong with having no more pit bull and pitbull mixes within the next 20 years?

Because I and other people like them. You I could do without

Lol. There’s the pit bull owner charm.

I, too, would be fine with zero pit bulls. AKC recognizes about 200 dog breeds. If you can’t find one, maybe you’re just not a dog person.

I would be fine if you don't exist either but here we are. You don't have to like every dog but, they are dogs and many people love them. I found my dog so that makes me by definition a "dog person"

I honestly have to wonder if you’re anti pit bull and just doing an excellent parody of a pit owner, because as parody, this is absolutely choice.

?? Now I know you are high. I have a dog, which is a mix of a bunch of breeds including American pit bull terrier. I love him to bits and he is my dog. I chose him and I love him. I have friends who also have pit mixes and they love their dogs. Why would you assume I am anti-pit?? You do not have to love my dog or any pit but, you do not have the right to ban them out of existence. Or smear dogs just because you are anti-pit

See what I mean? You’re pitch perfect, by the way, as a pit bull owner totally lacking in self awareness and willing to sacrifice everyone else’s safety for your wants and whims. Like I applaud you, pp, as your parody of a pit bull owner is unparalleled. 👏🏻

Right back at ya. And where is this sacriface? My dog hasn't done anything! He is well trained unlike many doodles. So take your applause and shove it.

You’re this mad at people sharing mild opinions. No one is coming for your dog; at least not until it magggggically escapes and eats someone else’s dog, or worse, their child. We’re talking about 100% spay and neuter, instead of the 20% spay/neuter rate that pit bulls have currently. A slow attrition of dogs not fit for human company. Go get a Golden or something and experience real dog ownership.

So I'm "mad" but you are not? Again for those in the back. You do not have the right to tell me what dog I should get. Why don't you get a pit bull and experience real dog ownership? Anyone can train a golden!

NP. So, you're saying it takes special skill to train a Pit? Like there is something that makes them uniquely challenging that you have to conquer and train out? I thought that they were innately made to be nanny dogs that are good for most families and that's why they're handing them out for free to every ahole who shows up? Goldens are easy so anyone could train them, but pits are...??? What??

You're losing the narrative.

You are reading way into my comment. I just was getting a dig. I never said "all pit bulls" are good for ALL families. In fact, if you go to rescues they will tell you kids must be over 12 or must be only dog or no cats. This goes for ALL dogs! Just tired of you saying I wasn't a real dog owner because I don't own a golden! A dog that I have nothing against but, the fact is AKC has ruined it and most other purebred dogs. Also, you should judge the actions of the dog not the appearance. Not all pit bulls are bad and in fact many are very good dogs!

You’re talking with more than one person, btw.

And no, ”ALL dogs” do not need to be kept in child free, dog free, cat free homes. That’s something unique to this dumpster breed. No other dog habitually mauls other pets to death, no other dog chews through doors and drywall and destroys sofas, no other dog fatally mauls newborns for the crime of crying, no other dog attacks for men being present, wearing short sleeves, sneezing or walking. These are all literal excuses provided by pit bull owners for their crap dogs fatally attacking people.

All pit bulls, unique from decent dogs, have the temperament and physical ability to bite, maim and maul. Pediatricians, trauma doctors and trauma surgeons, plastic surgeons, they’re all very clear that these are not dogs suitable for human companionship. In many ways, we have bred the dog out of these dogs. They’re something else. No one’s judging these dogs by their admittedly awful appearance. We’re judging them by their actions and by their terrible owners, people who say things like “I wouldn’t miss you if you didn’t exist.” Like that.

I’m the poster from a few pages back who once prosecuted dangerous dog cases and got very well educated on the subject. I don’t like pit bulls and other bully breeds and I have little use for GSDs and Alsatians and Rottweilers and Dobermans as family pets, because most people are too stupid and lazy to train them properly and to recognize the signs when they are about to rip a kid’s face off.

What you are asserting is 100% not correct. Yes for a number of reasons pit bulls and other bully breeds are more dangerous than most dogs and statistics certainly bear that out.

But, EVERY DOG IS POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS. Period!

Chihuahuas have killed human infants, and small dogs are responsible for more dog bites than other breeds. https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/05/small-dogs-why-are-tiny-hounds-more-aggressive-than-big-ones

Golden retrievers and Labrador retrievers have killed human infants. Numerous times, here’s just one story. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132912/amp/Horror-family-dog-kills-dismembers-month-old-baby-father-slept.html

ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS!! No matter the size, the breed, the apparent temperament. They can ALL be dogs that should be a sole pet, or in families without children, or have a female owner but not a male owner - all the restrictions you listed.

The problem with ALL dogs is the human owners, period. Human owners/handlers are responsible for 100% of dog attacks, period.

So many humans proclaim themselves know it alls about dogs, but very few actually take the time to educate themselves about predictable canid behaviors and reliable ways to avoid unwanted behaviors and ‘attacks’ on other pets, children, elders and even the hand that feeds.

Pits and other bully breeds should be spayed and neutered to extinction because they no longer serve their original purpose and they are more dangerous as family pets than most breeds. But ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS and so long as there are stupid/arrogant parents, grandparents, guardians, etc. there will be children who are killed and maimed by dogs, who then get killed themselves - and both are entirely innocent.

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Here’s a feel good story about kids and dogs, to give everyone in this thread a palette cleanse.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12550409/Mom-two-year-old-girl-walked-dogs-asleep-woods-says-shes-terrified-adventurous-daughter-is.html

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Deadly dog bites are on the rise in the last three years. Gee. Whatever could be the cause of this.

Did you read the article? It doesn't blame the dogs or any specific breed but, the fault is on the humans who don't know how to read dog's clues. So, thanks for making my point!

I did read the article. You might be in denial about what these bred for aggression and reactivity and tenacity blood thirsty dogs are capable of, but unfortunately thousands of dogs and cats and hundreds of people have lost their lives. That’s a fact.

Facts:

https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/pitbull-statistics/

Ahh the good old - and debunked - Animal Temperment Test.

XL Bullies are banned in England. People are seeing through the lies pit bull people tell. People are starting to notice that even sweet family pets just snap and ear some old person. They’ve noticed that “support” animals eat their owner when they’re having a seizure. Too many people have seen videos of attacking pit bulls being hit repeatedly, shot sometimes even, and still out for toddler blood. The jig is up.

You are moving the goal post. We aren't talking about XL bullies

Pit Bulls are banned in the UK along with a couple of other aggressive breeds. XL Pit Bulls are next on the list to be banned.

There are so many dog breeds to choose from. Why choose a pit? I want this breed to be eliminated. All current pits should be spayed or neutered and the breed should die out via attrition.

I would love to see this as well. I have started carrying a handgun as I have seen too many off-leash pits and reckless pit owners even in my UMC neighborhood’s dog park.

It’s unreasonable to ask the general public to be okay with the risk of death or severe damage just so some schmucks can be pit bull owners.

OAN I believe there is something fundamentally wrong with people that seek out these dogs as pets.

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with you that condemns five breeds of dog. I remember when other dogs were the "villians" and now it is pit bulls turn. I am more likely to be killed by a person while in school or movie theatre than a pit bull. Again humans kill more pit bulls and humans than pit bulls do. But, I suppose logic isn't your strong suit.

Can you say logic is not somebody strong suit and you're comparing humans with Pitbulls?Try a I question your logic skills

Your sentence doesn't make any sense. We are talking about our risks in life. Statistically, we are at greater risk from humans than pit bulls. Sorry you don't get it.

You are comparing apples and oranges The poster was talking about eliminating a breed due to its tendency to be more violent than other breeds. And in talking about eliminating the breed, another poster is not talking about killing all pitbull's, but neutering and spaying all pitbull and pitbull mixes so the breed could be eliminated by attrition. Nothing wrong with that suggestion. We don't need more unwanted puppies.

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And oh do pit bulls have unwanted puppies. So many puppies.

I’d also be comfortable with pit bulls that bite and maim being put down in addition to neuter and spaying; that’s not a rule anymore. Lots of these “oh he’s a sweet lump of a shelter dog, he’s a couch hippo!” have bite histories, sometimes complex bite histories. The world is not the chew toy of the blood sport dog and since these people insist on bringing their bred for blood sport dogs everywhere they go, we’re all at risk.

What are you smoking? Pit Bulls are the number 1 dogs that are put down. I believe it is about 1 million. You will never fully eliminate any pit because of the mixes. Even if they have 10 percent pit you people are so bloodthirsty that you will kill them too. Again, statistically speaking the chance of you being killed by a pit bull is very small. You cannot say the same thing for humans.

If all pits and pit mixes were spayed or neutered to be eliminated by attrition, there will be less Pitbulls to be put down. I think that is the best and most humane solution.

I agree with the spaying and neutering and as a responsible owner I have done so but, you never answered what % of pit would be "acceptable" to you. Since the macho guys who abuse animals also breed them I do not see your solution actually working.

How about any percentage over 25% and/or has that rictus grin mouth and the butt crack head.

Just fyi you are a terrible human. Imagine judging a dog with 25% pit and 75% Lab as a dog not worthy of living. But you are not the boss of anyone so we can ignore your wishes

Neutering isn't the same thing as deeming them not worthy of living

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What a bizarre overreaction.

If you had followed the thread the pp said that "they want to neuter and spay them out of existence" So, they want ZERO in the world. Not American pit bull terriers, not American Staffs, no mixes NONE. And you tell me I've overreacting!

Correct. And you are over reacting in my opinion. What is wrong with having no more pit bull and pitbull mixes within the next 20 years?

Because I and other people like them. You I could do without

Lol. There’s the pit bull owner charm.

I, too, would be fine with zero pit bulls. AKC recognizes about 200 dog breeds. If you can’t find one, maybe you’re just not a dog person.

I would be fine if you don't exist either but here we are. You don't have to like every dog but, they are dogs and many people love them. I found my dog so that makes me by definition a "dog person"

I honestly have to wonder if you’re anti pit bull and just doing an excellent parody of a pit owner, because as parody, this is absolutely choice.

?? Now I know you are high. I have a dog, which is a mix of a bunch of breeds including American pit bull terrier. I love him to bits and he is my dog. I chose him and I love him. I have friends who also have pit mixes and they love their dogs. Why would you assume I am anti-pit?? You do not have to love my dog or any pit but, you do not have the right to ban them out of existence. Or smear dogs just because you are anti-pit

See what I mean? You’re pitch perfect, by the way, as a pit bull owner totally lacking in self awareness and willing to sacrifice everyone else’s safety for your wants and whims. Like I applaud you, pp, as your parody of a pit bull owner is unparalleled. 👏🏻

Right back at ya. And where is this sacriface? My dog hasn't done anything! He is well trained unlike many doodles. So take your applause and shove it.

You’re this mad at people sharing mild opinions. No one is coming for your dog; at least not until it magggggically escapes and eats someone else’s dog, or worse, their child. We’re talking about 100% spay and neuter, instead of the 20% spay/neuter rate that pit bulls have currently. A slow attrition of dogs not fit for human company. Go get a Golden or something and experience real dog ownership.

So I'm "mad" but you are not? Again for those in the back. You do not have the right to tell me what dog I should get. Why don't you get a pit bull and experience real dog ownership? Anyone can train a golden!

NP. So, you're saying it takes special skill to train a Pit? Like there is something that makes them uniquely challenging that you have to conquer and train out? I thought that they were innately made to be nanny dogs that are good for most families and that's why they're handing them out for free to every ahole who shows up? Goldens are easy so anyone could train them, but pits are...??? What??

You're losing the narrative.

You are reading way into my comment. I just was getting a dig. I never said "all pit bulls" are good for ALL families. In fact, if you go to rescues they will tell you kids must be over 12 or must be only dog or no cats. This goes for ALL dogs! Just tired of you saying I wasn't a real dog owner because I don't own a golden! A dog that I have nothing against but, the fact is AKC has ruined it and most other purebred dogs. Also, you should judge the actions of the dog not the appearance. Not all pit bulls are bad and in fact many are very good dogs!

You’re talking with more than one person, btw.

And no, ”ALL dogs” do not need to be kept in child free, dog free, cat free homes. That’s something unique to this dumpster breed. No other dog habitually mauls other pets to death, no other dog chews through doors and drywall and destroys sofas, no other dog fatally mauls newborns for the crime of crying, no other dog attacks for men being present, wearing short sleeves, sneezing or walking. These are all literal excuses provided by pit bull owners for their crap dogs fatally attacking people.

All pit bulls, unique from decent dogs, have the temperament and physical ability to bite, maim and maul. Pediatricians, trauma doctors and trauma surgeons, plastic surgeons, they’re all very clear that these are not dogs suitable for human companionship. In many ways, we have bred the dog out of these dogs. They’re something else. No one’s judging these dogs by their admittedly awful appearance. We’re judging them by their actions and by their terrible owners, people who say things like “I wouldn’t miss you if you didn’t exist.” Like that.

I’m the poster from a few pages back who once prosecuted dangerous dog cases and got very well educated on the subject. I don’t like pit bulls and other bully breeds and I have little use for GSDs and Alsatians and Rottweilers and Dobermans as family pets, because most people are too stupid and lazy to train them properly and to recognize the signs when they are about to rip a kid’s face off.

What you are asserting is 100% not correct. Yes for a number of reasons pit bulls and other bully breeds are more dangerous than most dogs and statistics certainly bear that out.

But, EVERY DOG IS POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS. Period!

Chihuahuas have killed human infants, and small dogs are responsible for more dog bites than other breeds. https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/05/small-dogs-why-are-tiny-hounds-more-aggressive-than-big-ones

Golden retrievers and Labrador retrievers have killed human infants. Numerous times, here’s just one story. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132912/amp/Horror-family-dog-kills-dismembers-month-old-baby-father-slept.html

ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS!! No matter the size, the breed, the apparent temperament. They can ALL be dogs that should be a sole pet, or in families without children, or have a female owner but not a male owner - all the restrictions you listed.

The problem with ALL dogs is the human owners, period. Human owners/handlers are responsible for 100% of dog attacks, period.

So many humans proclaim themselves know it alls about dogs, but very few actually take the time to educate themselves about predictable canid behaviors and reliable ways to avoid unwanted behaviors and ‘attacks’ on other pets, children, elders and even the hand that feeds.

Pits and other bully breeds should be spayed and neutered to extinction because they no longer serve their original purpose and they are more dangerous as family pets than most breeds. But ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS and so long as there are stupid/arrogant parents, grandparents, guardians, etc. there will be children who are killed and maimed by dogs, who then get killed themselves - and both are entirely innocent.

This is one of the most disingenuous posts I have read in a long time, and I can’t find any evidence that a chihuahua has ever killed a person, not even a baby.

Every dog can pose a threat, but for most of them it’s really more “in theory.” Pit bulls and pit bull mixes are the only dogs that routinely chew off arms, disembowel, gnaw off faces, go for the neck repeatedly and otherwise attack to kill. Sure, chihuahuas and other little dogs can be aggressive, but I’d be a thousand times happier to be “attacked” by a chihuahua than by a massive headed, wide jawed so they can grip you and shake you and keep breathing to do it dog bred to kill. My god.

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Pit bulls fatally maul a woman in Kennewick, Washington. https://news.yahoo.com/woman-dies-being-mauled-pitbulls-225639068.html

The attack started on the street when the pit bulls went after the woman’s pug. With the help of a neighbor, the woman was able to get into her home, but one of the pit bulls followed her into her home and continued the attack. She died a day later.

[Anonymous]

It's not just the rescues supplying the north with southern pits. Apparently the market for pit puppies is so strong you pack them up in plastic totes at 5 weeks old and hand deliver. https://news.yahoo.com/ny-grand-jury-indicts-2-234408155.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFazZRLwb1fM8h2yunszdKLnTZioXiBBA_SZaJ3kbWENxsT5oU_i-EdENV83dXNBzGDfEGwwS7NDsrjX_t385-a7aS-3a5d6MzbxoCsj9yGmY_0oBsRmK_qUtUGPcIDoXAy-nyQpTbeNNCa9yyD0XnuMXlmf5Olh6L0Eg3nZi8lp

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Anonymous wrote:Pit bulls fatally maul a woman in Kennewick, Washington. https://news.yahoo.com/woman-dies-being-mauled-pitbulls-225639068.html

The attack started on the street when the pit bulls went after the woman’s pug. With the help of a neighbor, the woman was able to get into her home, but one of the pit bulls followed her into her home and continued the attack. She died a day later.

This is disgusting, distressing, and TYPICAL. To HELL with this kind of dog and the insane apologists. Thank Christ that Sunak in the UK is at least somewhat amenable to banning a fraction of these monsters.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.salon.com/2023/09/08/dog-bites-are-on-the-rise-reports-but-its-unclear-whats-driving-the-trend/

Deadly dog bites are on the rise in the last three years. Gee. Whatever could be the cause of this.

Did you read the article? It doesn't blame the dogs or any specific breed but, the fault is on the humans who don't know how to read dog's clues. So, thanks for making my point!

I did read the article. You might be in denial about what these bred for aggression and reactivity and tenacity blood thirsty dogs are capable of, but unfortunately thousands of dogs and cats and hundreds of people have lost their lives. That’s a fact.

Facts:

https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/pitbull-statistics/

Ahh the good old - and debunked - Animal Temperment Test.

XL Bullies are banned in England. People are seeing through the lies pit bull people tell. People are starting to notice that even sweet family pets just snap and ear some old person. They’ve noticed that “support” animals eat their owner when they’re having a seizure. Too many people have seen videos of attacking pit bulls being hit repeatedly, shot sometimes even, and still out for toddler blood. The jig is up.

You are moving the goal post. We aren't talking about XL bullies

Pit Bulls are banned in the UK along with a couple of other aggressive breeds. XL Pit Bulls are next on the list to be banned.

There are so many dog breeds to choose from. Why choose a pit? I want this breed to be eliminated. All current pits should be spayed or neutered and the breed should die out via attrition.

I would love to see this as well. I have started carrying a handgun as I have seen too many off-leash pits and reckless pit owners even in my UMC neighborhood’s dog park.

It’s unreasonable to ask the general public to be okay with the risk of death or severe damage just so some schmucks can be pit bull owners.

OAN I believe there is something fundamentally wrong with people that seek out these dogs as pets.

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with you that condemns five breeds of dog. I remember when other dogs were the "villians" and now it is pit bulls turn. I am more likely to be killed by a person while in school or movie theatre than a pit bull. Again humans kill more pit bulls and humans than pit bulls do. But, I suppose logic isn't your strong suit.

Can you say logic is not somebody strong suit and you're comparing humans with Pitbulls?Try a I question your logic skills

Your sentence doesn't make any sense. We are talking about our risks in life. Statistically, we are at greater risk from humans than pit bulls. Sorry you don't get it.

You are comparing apples and oranges The poster was talking about eliminating a breed due to its tendency to be more violent than other breeds. And in talking about eliminating the breed, another poster is not talking about killing all pitbull's, but neutering and spaying all pitbull and pitbull mixes so the breed could be eliminated by attrition. Nothing wrong with that suggestion. We don't need more unwanted puppies.

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And oh do pit bulls have unwanted puppies. So many puppies.

I’d also be comfortable with pit bulls that bite and maim being put down in addition to neuter and spaying; that’s not a rule anymore. Lots of these “oh he’s a sweet lump of a shelter dog, he’s a couch hippo!” have bite histories, sometimes complex bite histories. The world is not the chew toy of the blood sport dog and since these people insist on bringing their bred for blood sport dogs everywhere they go, we’re all at risk.

What are you smoking? Pit Bulls are the number 1 dogs that are put down. I believe it is about 1 million. You will never fully eliminate any pit because of the mixes. Even if they have 10 percent pit you people are so bloodthirsty that you will kill them too. Again, statistically speaking the chance of you being killed by a pit bull is very small. You cannot say the same thing for humans.

If all pits and pit mixes were spayed or neutered to be eliminated by attrition, there will be less Pitbulls to be put down. I think that is the best and most humane solution.

I agree with the spaying and neutering and as a responsible owner I have done so but, you never answered what % of pit would be "acceptable" to you. Since the macho guys who abuse animals also breed them I do not see your solution actually working.

How about any percentage over 25% and/or has that rictus grin mouth and the butt crack head.

Just fyi you are a terrible human. Imagine judging a dog with 25% pit and 75% Lab as a dog not worthy of living. But you are not the boss of anyone so we can ignore your wishes

Neutering isn't the same thing as deeming them not worthy of living

+1

What a bizarre overreaction.

If you had followed the thread the pp said that "they want to neuter and spay them out of existence" So, they want ZERO in the world. Not American pit bull terriers, not American Staffs, no mixes NONE. And you tell me I've overreacting!

Correct. And you are over reacting in my opinion. What is wrong with having no more pit bull and pitbull mixes within the next 20 years?

Because I and other people like them. You I could do without

Lol. There’s the pit bull owner charm.

I, too, would be fine with zero pit bulls. AKC recognizes about 200 dog breeds. If you can’t find one, maybe you’re just not a dog person.

I would be fine if you don't exist either but here we are. You don't have to like every dog but, they are dogs and many people love them. I found my dog so that makes me by definition a "dog person"

I honestly have to wonder if you’re anti pit bull and just doing an excellent parody of a pit owner, because as parody, this is absolutely choice.

?? Now I know you are high. I have a dog, which is a mix of a bunch of breeds including American pit bull terrier. I love him to bits and he is my dog. I chose him and I love him. I have friends who also have pit mixes and they love their dogs. Why would you assume I am anti-pit?? You do not have to love my dog or any pit but, you do not have the right to ban them out of existence. Or smear dogs just because you are anti-pit

See what I mean? You’re pitch perfect, by the way, as a pit bull owner totally lacking in self awareness and willing to sacrifice everyone else’s safety for your wants and whims. Like I applaud you, pp, as your parody of a pit bull owner is unparalleled. 👏🏻

Right back at ya. And where is this sacriface? My dog hasn't done anything! He is well trained unlike many doodles. So take your applause and shove it.

You’re this mad at people sharing mild opinions. No one is coming for your dog; at least not until it magggggically escapes and eats someone else’s dog, or worse, their child. We’re talking about 100% spay and neuter, instead of the 20% spay/neuter rate that pit bulls have currently. A slow attrition of dogs not fit for human company. Go get a Golden or something and experience real dog ownership.

So I'm "mad" but you are not? Again for those in the back. You do not have the right to tell me what dog I should get. Why don't you get a pit bull and experience real dog ownership? Anyone can train a golden!

NP. So, you're saying it takes special skill to train a Pit? Like there is something that makes them uniquely challenging that you have to conquer and train out? I thought that they were innately made to be nanny dogs that are good for most families and that's why they're handing them out for free to every ahole who shows up? Goldens are easy so anyone could train them, but pits are...??? What??

You're losing the narrative.

You are reading way into my comment. I just was getting a dig. I never said "all pit bulls" are good for ALL families. In fact, if you go to rescues they will tell you kids must be over 12 or must be only dog or no cats. This goes for ALL dogs! Just tired of you saying I wasn't a real dog owner because I don't own a golden! A dog that I have nothing against but, the fact is AKC has ruined it and most other purebred dogs. Also, you should judge the actions of the dog not the appearance. Not all pit bulls are bad and in fact many are very good dogs!

You’re talking with more than one person, btw.

And no, ”ALL dogs” do not need to be kept in child free, dog free, cat free homes. That’s something unique to this dumpster breed. No other dog habitually mauls other pets to death, no other dog chews through doors and drywall and destroys sofas, no other dog fatally mauls newborns for the crime of crying, no other dog attacks for men being present, wearing short sleeves, sneezing or walking. These are all literal excuses provided by pit bull owners for their crap dogs fatally attacking people.

All pit bulls, unique from decent dogs, have the temperament and physical ability to bite, maim and maul. Pediatricians, trauma doctors and trauma surgeons, plastic surgeons, they’re all very clear that these are not dogs suitable for human companionship. In many ways, we have bred the dog out of these dogs. They’re something else. No one’s judging these dogs by their admittedly awful appearance. We’re judging them by their actions and by their terrible owners, people who say things like “I wouldn’t miss you if you didn’t exist.” Like that.

I’m the poster from a few pages back who once prosecuted dangerous dog cases and got very well educated on the subject. I don’t like pit bulls and other bully breeds and I have little use for GSDs and Alsatians and Rottweilers and Dobermans as family pets, because most people are too stupid and lazy to train them properly and to recognize the signs when they are about to rip a kid’s face off.

What you are asserting is 100% not correct. Yes for a number of reasons pit bulls and other bully breeds are more dangerous than most dogs and statistics certainly bear that out.

But, EVERY DOG IS POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS. Period!

Chihuahuas have killed human infants, and small dogs are responsible for more dog bites than other breeds. https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/05/small-dogs-why-are-tiny-hounds-more-aggressive-than-big-ones

Golden retrievers and Labrador retrievers have killed human infants. Numerous times, here’s just one story. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132912/amp/Horror-family-dog-kills-dismembers-month-old-baby-father-slept.html

ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS!! No matter the size, the breed, the apparent temperament. They can ALL be dogs that should be a sole pet, or in families without children, or have a female owner but not a male owner - all the restrictions you listed.

The problem with ALL dogs is the human owners, period. Human owners/handlers are responsible for 100% of dog attacks, period.

So many humans proclaim themselves know it alls about dogs, but very few actually take the time to educate themselves about predictable canid behaviors and reliable ways to avoid unwanted behaviors and ‘attacks’ on other pets, children, elders and even the hand that feeds.

Pits and other bully breeds should be spayed and neutered to extinction because they no longer serve their original purpose and they are more dangerous as family pets than most breeds. But ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS and so long as there are stupid/arrogant parents, grandparents, guardians, etc. there will be children who are killed and maimed by dogs, who then get killed themselves - and both are entirely innocent.

This is one of the most disingenuous posts I have read in a long time, and I can’t find any evidence that a chihuahua has ever killed a person, not even a baby.

Every dog can pose a threat, but for most of them it’s really more “in theory.” Pit bulls and pit bull mixes are the only dogs that routinely chew off arms, disembowel, gnaw off faces, go for the neck repeatedly and otherwise attack to kill. Sure, chihuahuas and other little dogs can be aggressive, but I’d be a thousand times happier to be “attacked” by a chihuahua than by a massive headed, wide jawed so they can grip you and shake you and keep breathing to do it dog bred to kill. My god.

You can't possibly be an attorney, if that is what you are implying by having "prosecuted". The link in no way says anything about chi's killing babies, or even number of bites. Only that little dogs as a whole are more behaviorally aggressive (and less house trained etc.) than big dogs, likely due to lazy training and expectations.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.salon.com/2023/09/08/dog-bites-are-on-the-rise-reports-but-its-unclear-whats-driving-the-trend/

Deadly dog bites are on the rise in the last three years. Gee. Whatever could be the cause of this.

Did you read the article? It doesn't blame the dogs or any specific breed but, the fault is on the humans who don't know how to read dog's clues. So, thanks for making my point!

I did read the article. You might be in denial about what these bred for aggression and reactivity and tenacity blood thirsty dogs are capable of, but unfortunately thousands of dogs and cats and hundreds of people have lost their lives. That’s a fact.

Facts:

https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/pitbull-statistics/

Ahh the good old - and debunked - Animal Temperment Test.

XL Bullies are banned in England. People are seeing through the lies pit bull people tell. People are starting to notice that even sweet family pets just snap and ear some old person. They’ve noticed that “support” animals eat their owner when they’re having a seizure. Too many people have seen videos of attacking pit bulls being hit repeatedly, shot sometimes even, and still out for toddler blood. The jig is up.

You are moving the goal post. We aren't talking about XL bullies

Pit Bulls are banned in the UK along with a couple of other aggressive breeds. XL Pit Bulls are next on the list to be banned.

There are so many dog breeds to choose from. Why choose a pit? I want this breed to be eliminated. All current pits should be spayed or neutered and the breed should die out via attrition.

I would love to see this as well. I have started carrying a handgun as I have seen too many off-leash pits and reckless pit owners even in my UMC neighborhood’s dog park.

It’s unreasonable to ask the general public to be okay with the risk of death or severe damage just so some schmucks can be pit bull owners.

OAN I believe there is something fundamentally wrong with people that seek out these dogs as pets.

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with you that condemns five breeds of dog. I remember when other dogs were the "villians" and now it is pit bulls turn. I am more likely to be killed by a person while in school or movie theatre than a pit bull. Again humans kill more pit bulls and humans than pit bulls do. But, I suppose logic isn't your strong suit.

Can you say logic is not somebody strong suit and you're comparing humans with Pitbulls?Try a I question your logic skills

Your sentence doesn't make any sense. We are talking about our risks in life. Statistically, we are at greater risk from humans than pit bulls. Sorry you don't get it.

You are comparing apples and oranges The poster was talking about eliminating a breed due to its tendency to be more violent than other breeds. And in talking about eliminating the breed, another poster is not talking about killing all pitbull's, but neutering and spaying all pitbull and pitbull mixes so the breed could be eliminated by attrition. Nothing wrong with that suggestion. We don't need more unwanted puppies.

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And oh do pit bulls have unwanted puppies. So many puppies.

I’d also be comfortable with pit bulls that bite and maim being put down in addition to neuter and spaying; that’s not a rule anymore. Lots of these “oh he’s a sweet lump of a shelter dog, he’s a couch hippo!” have bite histories, sometimes complex bite histories. The world is not the chew toy of the blood sport dog and since these people insist on bringing their bred for blood sport dogs everywhere they go, we’re all at risk.

What are you smoking? Pit Bulls are the number 1 dogs that are put down. I believe it is about 1 million. You will never fully eliminate any pit because of the mixes. Even if they have 10 percent pit you people are so bloodthirsty that you will kill them too. Again, statistically speaking the chance of you being killed by a pit bull is very small. You cannot say the same thing for humans.

If all pits and pit mixes were spayed or neutered to be eliminated by attrition, there will be less Pitbulls to be put down. I think that is the best and most humane solution.

I agree with the spaying and neutering and as a responsible owner I have done so but, you never answered what % of pit would be "acceptable" to you. Since the macho guys who abuse animals also breed them I do not see your solution actually working.

How about any percentage over 25% and/or has that rictus grin mouth and the butt crack head.

Just fyi you are a terrible human. Imagine judging a dog with 25% pit and 75% Lab as a dog not worthy of living. But you are not the boss of anyone so we can ignore your wishes

Neutering isn't the same thing as deeming them not worthy of living

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What a bizarre overreaction.

If you had followed the thread the pp said that "they want to neuter and spay them out of existence" So, they want ZERO in the world. Not American pit bull terriers, not American Staffs, no mixes NONE. And you tell me I've overreacting!

Correct. And you are over reacting in my opinion. What is wrong with having no more pit bull and pitbull mixes within the next 20 years?

Because I and other people like them. You I could do without

Lol. There’s the pit bull owner charm.

I, too, would be fine with zero pit bulls. AKC recognizes about 200 dog breeds. If you can’t find one, maybe you’re just not a dog person.

I would be fine if you don't exist either but here we are. You don't have to like every dog but, they are dogs and many people love them. I found my dog so that makes me by definition a "dog person"

I honestly have to wonder if you’re anti pit bull and just doing an excellent parody of a pit owner, because as parody, this is absolutely choice.

?? Now I know you are high. I have a dog, which is a mix of a bunch of breeds including American pit bull terrier. I love him to bits and he is my dog. I chose him and I love him. I have friends who also have pit mixes and they love their dogs. Why would you assume I am anti-pit?? You do not have to love my dog or any pit but, you do not have the right to ban them out of existence. Or smear dogs just because you are anti-pit

See what I mean? You’re pitch perfect, by the way, as a pit bull owner totally lacking in self awareness and willing to sacrifice everyone else’s safety for your wants and whims. Like I applaud you, pp, as your parody of a pit bull owner is unparalleled. 👏🏻

Right back at ya. And where is this sacriface? My dog hasn't done anything! He is well trained unlike many doodles. So take your applause and shove it.

You’re this mad at people sharing mild opinions. No one is coming for your dog; at least not until it magggggically escapes and eats someone else’s dog, or worse, their child. We’re talking about 100% spay and neuter, instead of the 20% spay/neuter rate that pit bulls have currently. A slow attrition of dogs not fit for human company. Go get a Golden or something and experience real dog ownership.

So I'm "mad" but you are not? Again for those in the back. You do not have the right to tell me what dog I should get. Why don't you get a pit bull and experience real dog ownership? Anyone can train a golden!

NP. So, you're saying it takes special skill to train a Pit? Like there is something that makes them uniquely challenging that you have to conquer and train out? I thought that they were innately made to be nanny dogs that are good for most families and that's why they're handing them out for free to every ahole who shows up? Goldens are easy so anyone could train them, but pits are...??? What??

You're losing the narrative.

You are reading way into my comment. I just was getting a dig. I never said "all pit bulls" are good for ALL families. In fact, if you go to rescues they will tell you kids must be over 12 or must be only dog or no cats. This goes for ALL dogs! Just tired of you saying I wasn't a real dog owner because I don't own a golden! A dog that I have nothing against but, the fact is AKC has ruined it and most other purebred dogs. Also, you should judge the actions of the dog not the appearance. Not all pit bulls are bad and in fact many are very good dogs!

You’re talking with more than one person, btw.

And no, ”ALL dogs” do not need to be kept in child free, dog free, cat free homes. That’s something unique to this dumpster breed. No other dog habitually mauls other pets to death, no other dog chews through doors and drywall and destroys sofas, no other dog fatally mauls newborns for the crime of crying, no other dog attacks for men being present, wearing short sleeves, sneezing or walking. These are all literal excuses provided by pit bull owners for their crap dogs fatally attacking people.

All pit bulls, unique from decent dogs, have the temperament and physical ability to bite, maim and maul. Pediatricians, trauma doctors and trauma surgeons, plastic surgeons, they’re all very clear that these are not dogs suitable for human companionship. In many ways, we have bred the dog out of these dogs. They’re something else. No one’s judging these dogs by their admittedly awful appearance. We’re judging them by their actions and by their terrible owners, people who say things like “I wouldn’t miss you if you didn’t exist.” Like that.

I’m the poster from a few pages back who once prosecuted dangerous dog cases and got very well educated on the subject. I don’t like pit bulls and other bully breeds and I have little use for GSDs and Alsatians and Rottweilers and Dobermans as family pets, because most people are too stupid and lazy to train them properly and to recognize the signs when they are about to rip a kid’s face off.

What you are asserting is 100% not correct. Yes for a number of reasons pit bulls and other bully breeds are more dangerous than most dogs and statistics certainly bear that out.

But, EVERY DOG IS POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS. Period!

Chihuahuas have killed human infants, and small dogs are responsible for more dog bites than other breeds. https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2021/may/05/small-dogs-why-are-tiny-hounds-more-aggressive-than-big-ones

Golden retrievers and Labrador retrievers have killed human infants. Numerous times, here’s just one story. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132912/amp/Horror-family-dog-kills-dismembers-month-old-baby-father-slept.html

ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS!! No matter the size, the breed, the apparent temperament. They can ALL be dogs that should be a sole pet, or in families without children, or have a female owner but not a male owner - all the restrictions you listed.

The problem with ALL dogs is the human owners, period. Human owners/handlers are responsible for 100% of dog attacks, period.

So many humans proclaim themselves know it alls about dogs, but very few actually take the time to educate themselves about predictable canid behaviors and reliable ways to avoid unwanted behaviors and ‘attacks’ on other pets, children, elders and even the hand that feeds.

Pits and other bully breeds should be spayed and neutered to extinction because they no longer serve their original purpose and they are more dangerous as family pets than most breeds. But ALL DOGS ARE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS and so long as there are stupid/arrogant parents, grandparents, guardians, etc. there will be children who are killed and maimed by dogs, who then get killed themselves - and both are entirely innocent.

This is one of the most disingenuous posts I have read in a long time, and I can’t find any evidence that a chihuahua has ever killed a person, not even a baby.

Every dog can pose a threat, but for most of them it’s really more “in theory.” Pit bulls and pit bull mixes are the only dogs that routinely chew off arms, disembowel, gnaw off faces, go for the neck repeatedly and otherwise attack to kill. Sure, chihuahuas and other little dogs can be aggressive, but I’d be a thousand times happier to be “attacked” by a chihuahua than by a massive headed, wide jawed so they can grip you and shake you and keep breathing to do it dog bred to kill. My god.

You can't possibly be an attorney, if that is what you are implying by having "prosecuted". The link in no way says anything about chi's killing babies, or even number of bites. Only that little dogs as a whole are more behaviorally aggressive (and less house trained etc.) than big dogs, likely due to lazy training and expectations.

I think you meant to quote the pp just before me. I am not an attorney, nor do I claim to be one.

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Fatal attack in Genoa, Arkansas; woman in her 50s mauled to death: https://www.ksla.com/2023/09/26/woman-killed-apparent-dog-attack-miller-co/