Another pit bull attack

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG this has to stop. Mom was told the dog was a Lab-Retriever mix.....that looks a lot like a pitbull mix.

Oh come on. That mom must have been an idiot if she believed that was a Lab. It looks just like a pit bull.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG this has to stop. Mom was told the dog was a Lab-Retriever mix.....that looks a lot like a pitbull mix.

Oh come on. That mom must have been an idiot if she believed that was a Lab. It looks just like a pit bull.

And she was letting her child kiss the brand new rescue dog on the nose. You don't know a single thing about this dog or its history! I'm torn between whether it's on the shelter to make sure the people adopting dogs have any idea how to raise them or act around them or whether it's on the mother for letting her daughter put her face right up to the new dog's face.

[Anonymous]

Mom sure isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Shelter dogs are sterilized, while this genius gets to breed freely. It's her fault, not the dog's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG this has to stop. Mom was told the dog was a Lab-Retriever mix.....that looks a lot like a pitbull mix.

Oh come on. That mom must have been an idiot if she believed that was a Lab. It looks just like a pit bull.

I swear in 50 years people aren't even going to recognize an actual Lab, they'll be completely overtaken by the "Lab Mix."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that they should be banned. Rescues should automatically put down any pits or pit mixes that come in. And they should be fined or shut down if it turns out that they sold or gave a pit mix to someone.

Sincere question here: How do you think "pit mix" should be defined and determined under your proposed policy?

DP here but technology has come such a long way I bet someone could create an algorithm using photos of pit bulls and could scan adoption site photos to determine dogs that are highly characteristic of pits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG this has to stop. Mom was told the dog was a Lab-Retriever mix.....that looks a lot like a pitbull mix.

I am not blaming the mom but if she'd had even the most passing acquaintance with dogs, she might have known that the dog in the photos wasn't a Lab, even in a "mix." The person who sold or gave her the dog should be prosecuted for misrepresentation at the very least. I wish that were possible but it's unlikely since law enforcement will just shrug and say, oh well, dog bites girl isn't a crime. But so many lies told to cover the fact people are breeding and selling pit bulls.

There’s an entire propaganda apparatus dedicated to making these horrible beasts seem like acceptable family animals. Even if she became aware that her “lab mix” was a pit bull, half the information she’d find would be “blame the owner not the breed” “they’re not bad dogs” lies.

It’s the breed. The breed was bred to kill. Google pit bulls and horses. It’s not hard to find footage - usually fairly recent - of pit bulls mercilessly attacking horses. Horses. Animals many times their size. And why do these freak animals attack livestock? Because that’s what they were bred to do. To bite and hang on to bring the livestock down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that they should be banned. Rescues should automatically put down any pits or pit mixes that come in. And they should be fined or shut down if it turns out that they sold or gave a pit mix to someone.

+1

People shouldn’t have to live in fear of pit bull attacks and in some neighborhoods, that’s definitely a fear. My neighbors have an “oh so sweet” pit bull that has zero manners on the leash. Thank god they keep it leashed but I cross the road when I see that dumb thing coming.

[Anonymous]

In what universe does this dog look like a Labrador? Shame on the shelter for adopting out these dogs to families with small children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG this has to stop. Mom was told the dog was a Lab-Retriever mix.....that looks a lot like a pitbull mix.

I am not blaming the mom but if she'd had even the most passing acquaintance with dogs, she might have known that the dog in the photos wasn't a Lab, even in a "mix." The person who sold or gave her the dog should be prosecuted for misrepresentation at the very least. I wish that were possible but it's unlikely since law enforcement will just shrug and say, oh well, dog bites girl isn't a crime. But so many lies told to cover the fact people are breeding and selling pit bulls.

There’s an entire propaganda apparatus dedicated to making these horrible beasts seem like acceptable family animals. Even if she became aware that her “lab mix” was a pit bull, half the information she’d find would be “blame the owner not the breed” “they’re not bad dogs” lies.

It’s the breed. The breed was bred to kill. Google pit bulls and horses. It’s not hard to find footage - usually fairly recent - of pit bulls mercilessly attacking horses. Horses. Animals many times their size. And why do these freak animals attack livestock? Because that’s what they were bred to do. To bite and hang on to bring the livestock down.

+ 1000. For some reason we accept that personality, temperament, and breed characteristics are inherent to every other type of dog (and is a characteristic of breeding for decades to hundreds of years!), but it doesn't, for some inexplicable reason, apply to the bullies.

Retrievers? So they retrieve? Yes. And they have a soft mouth to not damage a bird!
Pointers? So they...point? Of course
Herders? They like to herd? Even sometimes your kids? Obviously, it is innate

So these dogs bred to fight and kill with physical traits that accomplish that more expediently??? "OH, they're just a total blank slate and it is ALL in how you raise them!"

This is total BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG this has to stop. Mom was told the dog was a Lab-Retriever mix.....that looks a lot like a pitbull mix.

I am not blaming the mom but if she'd had even the most passing acquaintance with dogs, she might have known that the dog in the photos wasn't a Lab, even in a "mix." The person who sold or gave her the dog should be prosecuted for misrepresentation at the very least. I wish that were possible but it's unlikely since law enforcement will just shrug and say, oh well, dog bites girl isn't a crime. But so many lies told to cover the fact people are breeding and selling pit bulls.

There’s an entire propaganda apparatus dedicated to making these horrible beasts seem like acceptable family animals. Even if she became aware that her “lab mix” was a pit bull, half the information she’d find would be “blame the owner not the breed” “they’re not bad dogs” lies.

It’s the breed. The breed was bred to kill. Google pit bulls and horses. It’s not hard to find footage - usually fairly recent - of pit bulls mercilessly attacking horses. Horses. Animals many times their size. And why do these freak animals attack livestock? Because that’s what they were bred to do. To bite and hang on to bring the livestock down.

+ 1000. For some reason we accept that personality, temperament, and breed characteristics are inherent to every other type of dog (and is a characteristic of breeding for decades to hundreds of years!), but it doesn't, for some inexplicable reason, apply to the bullies.

Retrievers? So they retrieve? Yes. And they have a soft mouth to not damage a bird!
Pointers? So they...point? Of course
Herders? They like to herd? Even sometimes your kids? Obviously, it is innate

So these dogs bred to fight and kill with physical traits that accomplish that more expediently??? "OH, they're just a total blank slate and it is ALL in how you raise them!"

This is total BS.

They have to deny reality in order to convince themselves that these dogs are good family dogs. I’m sure some are. Until they’re not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A horrible story. But "another" attack? This was in the UK. Do you go searching for these stories?

I have had pits. So have my parents and friends. Not one has bitten or attacked. But I have been bitten by a poodle on the face. I nearly escaped being mauled by a dalmation. And I've known at least 2 boxers who have bitten people.

The issue is not that other breeds bite. Any dog can bite. Many dogs do bite, as you know first-hand.

The issue is that pit bull anatomy, the shape of its face and jaw, is such that a pit bull bite is more damaging than bites of other breeds, generally. Data on the PSI (pounds per square inch) of bites of different breeds vary, and some breeds are believed to have more PSI, basically bite pressure, than pit bulls. But the shape of the pit bull face and the tenacity with which they can hold on make their bites especially dangerous. (Their jaws do NOT "lock" though--that's a myth.)

So if a "good" pit bull who is well socialized and gentle and loves kids etc. gets startled or feels it has to defend something, and bites just ONE time in its life -- that one bite has a higher chance of being damaging or fatal than the bites of other breeds. This is the part that pit lovers don't seem to acknowledge. Yes, there are well-behaved pit bulls, but any dog, the best behaved, best trained, most affectionate, can be startled or baited into a bite. If that dog is a pit bull, that one bad bite from a good dog is just anatomically likelier to be dangerous.

The problem with pits is about something that cannot be trained or loved out of them--it's about their bone structure.

Well, you got these two things correct but the rest of what you wrote is uninformed nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Clearly a pit mix. I think the problem here is that this dog was just adopted and allowed to be left with a child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A horrible story. But "another" attack? This was in the UK. Do you go searching for these stories?

I have had pits. So have my parents and friends. Not one has bitten or attacked. But I have been bitten by a poodle on the face. I nearly escaped being mauled by a dalmation. And I've known at least 2 boxers who have bitten people.

The issue is not that other breeds bite. Any dog can bite. Many dogs do bite, as you know first-hand.

The issue is that pit bull anatomy, the shape of its face and jaw, is such that a pit bull bite is more damaging than bites of other breeds, generally. Data on the PSI (pounds per square inch) of bites of different breeds vary, and some breeds are believed to have more PSI, basically bite pressure, than pit bulls. But the shape of the pit bull face and the tenacity with which they can hold on make their bites especially dangerous. (Their jaws do NOT "lock" though--that's a myth.)

So if a "good" pit bull who is well socialized and gentle and loves kids etc. gets startled or feels it has to defend something, and bites just ONE time in its life -- that one bite has a higher chance of being damaging or fatal than the bites of other breeds. This is the part that pit lovers don't seem to acknowledge. Yes, there are well-behaved pit bulls, but any dog, the best behaved, best trained, most affectionate, can be startled or baited into a bite. If that dog is a pit bull, that one bad bite from a good dog is just anatomically likelier to be dangerous.

The problem with pits is about something that cannot be trained or loved out of them--it's about their bone structure.

Well, you got these two things correct but the rest of what you wrote is uninformed nonsense.

They’re correct. Pit bulls were bred for violence; what kinds of traits do you think those long ago dog fight people bred into the dogs? Tenacity - a willingness to hold on and/or keep going back (ever see a pit bull attack a horse? Ever seen a pit bull refusing to let go of its prey despite being hit with increasingly heavy objects?). Gameness - a desire to fight and go for it, repeatedly. A wide mouth - all the better to be able to clamp onto prey and still be able to breathe for however long.

These are fighting dogs. In a split second they can go bad - and there’s no shortage of human victims and human owners of animal victims to tell the tale.

I guess you could say the problems of pit bulls are from bad owners: people naive enough to believe that somehow they’ll be enough to overcome a hundred and fifty years of breeding for violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The arguments that Pit Bull owners use to defend the breed: (1) "Most Pit Bulls don't bite"; (2) "They're fine if they're socialized"; (3) "We let ours play with our baby, and he loves her"; (4) "It's racist to say Pit Bulls are more dangerous than Golden Retrievers." And yet, if you see a loose Pit Bull running around, and you can get to a safe place, you will. If you see a loose (basically any other dog), you'll probably pet it. Pit Bulls are dangerous, predatory animals bred to fight, and people intuitively understand this. They have a long track record of killing and maiming, particularly of children. It is immoral to breed them, and irresponsible to own them. They should be banned.

You forgot the classic, "Chihuahuas bite just as much"

[Anonymous]

A friend adopted a pit mix--unbeknownst to him at the time. Dog was adopted via DC shelter (which bans pits, I think) but born and fostered on a farm until old enough for my friend to bring the dog home. No past abusive homes.
The dog is usually "sweet" and friendly until he's not. He's randomly bitten a guest to the house because she had a loud, shrill voice. When my son was younger, dog would be playful one moment then growl at him 5 minutes later. Friend cannot bring the dog to a dog park and needs to be careful around other dogs because his dog may randomly go after certain dogs, usually smaller.

My friend finally got a genetic test on the dog which came back as 1/3 pit.