Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Robert E Lee was an influential Virginia figure. He is a land mark and a beacon in our state. We must look past his history as a Confederate, and appreciate the value he put forth to our land.

Nope. No "value he put forth" is greater than killing 600k Americans in the effort to keep 4M people enslaved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no legitimate argument for keeping the monuments. Noted that pp was asked twice to list non-racist reasons for doing so, and could not.

Taking down a statue of Lee in Texas or wherever? If the motives of the ones who put it up were impure, then it makes sense to take it down. Taking down a memorial to Lee in Arlington Cemetery, at his home? That is a bizarre thing to do.

The Lee Memorial in Arlington was done during the Jim Crow era.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no legitimate argument for keeping the monuments. Noted that pp was asked twice to list non-racist reasons for doing so, and could not.

Taking down a statue of Lee in Texas or wherever? If the motives of the ones who put it up were impure, then it makes sense to take it down. Taking down a memorial to Lee in Arlington Cemetery, at his home? That is a bizarre thing to do.

If the Lee family (or other private org like Washington & Lee) wants to put up a memorial somewhere on private land they are welcome to do that.

The US government shouldn't memorialize traitors anywhere on public land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Robert E Lee was an influential Virginia figure. He is a land mark and a beacon in our state. We must look past his history as a Confederate, and appreciate the value he put forth to our land.

“Influential “ in what ways? A “landmark and a beacon “ for what? “What “value” is this?
Let’s make this easy. Aside from slavery and sedition, what exactly is so admirable about him and deserving of monuments?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

That "memorial" was just more Jim Crow racist crap.

We don't need memorials to traitors. His character was depraved and his life was far from noble. His efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved resulted in the deaths of 600k Americans.

And his "efforts to promote peace and reunion after the war" have clearly failed. Look at how many losers still fly the Confederate flag.

Traitor and loser. No thanks.

We can acknowledge his detrimental role in US and VA history, but we don't need any monuments, memorials, or street signs.

So what solution do you propose? We just abolish the entire cemetery? We dig up the graves of confederate civil war veterans? We give the land back to the Lee family?

Just take down the memorial. It’s not that hard or that complicated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no legitimate argument for keeping the monuments. Noted that pp was asked twice to list non-racist reasons for doing so, and could not.

Taking down a statue of Lee in Texas or wherever? If the motives of the ones who put it up were impure, then it makes sense to take it down. Taking down a memorial to Lee in Arlington Cemetery, at his home? That is a bizarre thing to do.

The Lee Memorial in Arlington was done during the Jim Crow era.

His citizenship was (properly) restored in the 1970s. And?

That's a good place for a memorial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people are fine with removing the Confederate statues and renaming the local schools and streets named after Confederates.

But it's not like that will satisfy some people. Next they'll want the same thing done with respect to any slaveholders, and then they will come after anyone in a family with a tie to slavery, and then they will look to seize your property (or tax you to oblivion) just because you are the wrong race, so they can lay claim to it.

So, yeah, consign a statue of Lee to a dustbin, but just remember that's not where it starts, not stops, with these people.

“These people”? Who exactly are these people? Hint: Tucker lies. Please find one legitimate source for any of this — and I promise to never post here ever ever p again. “Source” means a clear plan for doing this — not just an opinionated blowhard projecting.

-Someone whose grandparents paid taxes for schools that their children could not legally attend,
and who knows the history of property seizure, urban renewal, and being taxed “to oblivion” to support racist goals.
See: History of SW DC for starters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no legitimate argument for keeping the monuments. Noted that pp was asked twice to list non-racist reasons for doing so, and could not.

Taking down a statue of Lee in Texas or wherever? If the motives of the ones who put it up were impure, then it makes sense to take it down. Taking down a memorial to Lee in Arlington Cemetery, at his home? That is a bizarre thing to do.

The Lee Memorial in Arlington was done during the Jim Crow era.

His citizenship was (properly) restored in the 1970s. And?

That's a good place for a memorial.

Not to him. Let’s get this straight he is a traitor. He has no place among men and women who fought for this country. Many who are poc or fought while their families were in America concentration camps. He is not a great man. Just another petty losers who thought they could beat the USA. Should have been executed after the war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no legitimate argument for keeping the monuments. Noted that pp was asked twice to list non-racist reasons for doing so, and could not.

Taking down a statue of Lee in Texas or wherever? If the motives of the ones who put it up were impure, then it makes sense to take it down. Taking down a memorial to Lee in Arlington Cemetery, at his home? That is a bizarre thing to do.

The Lee Memorial in Arlington was done during the Jim Crow era.

His citizenship was (properly) restored in the 1970s. And?

That's a good place for a memorial.

For what exactly?

Why would the US government memorialize a traitor who lead to the death of 600k Americans? Because he wanted to continue to enslave 4 million people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about renaming The Robert E Lee Memorial at the Arlington Cemetery? That is not glorifying any confederate but rather showcasing a piece of history that the Lee family owned that came about to be sold after the Civil War and transformed into a laying ground for our soldiers. Anybody who says to remove his name from the memorial is a true radical, as it is a relevant, important piece of not only Virginia history but American history.

That "memorial" was just more Jim Crow racist crap.

We don't need memorials to traitors. His character was depraved and his life was far from noble. His efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved resulted in the deaths of 600k Americans.

And his "efforts to promote peace and reunion after the war" have clearly failed. Look at how many losers still fly the Confederate flag.

Traitor and loser. No thanks.

We can acknowledge his detrimental role in US and VA history, but we don't need any monuments, memorials, or street signs.

So what solution do you propose? We just abolish the entire cemetery? We dig up the graves of confederate civil war veterans? We give the land back to the Lee family?

DP seriously? Arlington National Cemetery is a United States military cemetery. There are 16,000 Union soldiers buried there. Why should these loyal soldiers have to be slapped in the face by having a memorial to a treasonous union officer? The rebel troops buried in Arlington are either POW deaths or mistaken remains. With the current demands for space at Arlington we should look in to removing the rebel troops buried there to a more appropriate place. This would free space for loyal American service member who would like to be buried there.

Lee’s Memorial needs to be taken down and all glory and honors stripped. Arlington House should reflect that Arlington cemetery was a way to punish the traitor. It is time to stop glorifying and celebrating the confederacy. They rebel and lost. They need to be put in their proper place. Oh and Lee’s family was compensated for the seizure of their land.

He wasn't treasonous, everyone was pardoned. You keep using that word but it's incorrect.

Having his family home turned into an American military cemetery seems like the best punishment .

For those saying that the Confederacy was only 4 years, the Lee family was active in the community before and after the war. They were good people.

Accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt.

But

On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President.

On October 2, 1865, the same day that Lee was inaugurated as president of Washington College in Lexington, Virginia, he signed his Amnesty Oath, thereby complying fully with the provision of Johnson's proclamation. But Lee was not pardoned, nor was his citizenship restored. And the fact that he had submitted an amnesty oath at all was soon lost to history

https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/spring/piece-lee

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is no legitimate argument for keeping the monuments. Noted that pp was asked twice to list non-racist reasons for doing so, and could not.

Taking down a statue of Lee in Texas or wherever? If the motives of the ones who put it up were impure, then it makes sense to take it down. Taking down a memorial to Lee in Arlington Cemetery, at his home? That is a bizarre thing to do.

The Lee Memorial in Arlington was done during the Jim Crow era.

His citizenship was (properly) restored in the 1970s. And?

That's a good place for a memorial.

Not to him. Let’s get this straight he is a traitor. He has no place among men and women who fought for this country. Many who are poc or fought while their families were in America concentration camps. He is not a great man. Just another petty losers who thought they could beat the USA. Should have been executed after the war.

Yes, and this should all be a lesson on how to better handle traitors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Robert E Lee was an influential Virginia figure. He is a land mark and a beacon in our state. We must look past his history as a Confederate, and appreciate the value he put forth to our land.

“Influential “ in what ways? A “landmark and a beacon “ for what? “What “value” is this?
Let’s make this easy. Aside from slavery and sedition, what exactly is so admirable about him and deserving of monuments?

He's a beacon for traitors. No wonder the Republicans like him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia has a long history of being a southern state and has a deep history with southern culture and ties to the confederacy. Northern Virginia in particular, with the Arlington Cemetery’s connection with Robert E Lee, whom led the Army of Northern Virginia, and the wide spread usage of confederates like Stonewall Jackson High School in PWCS and Robert E Lee High School in FCPS seems to have continually played a part in modern Virginia history throughout the state. Not to mention highways and streets dedicated to Confederates and segregationists like Robert E Lee and Harry Byrd still remain.

This unique attatchment to our history seems to be most or entirely prevalent in Virginia as opposed to DC or Maryland, and has never been a problem for the past century to half a century, through progressive movements and such. However, ever since the slain of George Floyd and the riots in 2020, there seems to have been a new attempt to pit the blame on the “monuments” that apparently glorize these views, and to radically erase them from history and forget about them once and for all. I seem to check google maps and am seemingly forced to learn new road names Like Langston Blvd in Arlington on a weekly basis. From my perspective, being a native of Fauquier county in southern country Virginia and spending lots of time in rural Loudoun and Prince William county, it’s a great change to what I’m used to.

Why the call for action now? Are we really suppose the blame people whom lived in an era where slavery and segregation was an unarguable stance that was unanimous among all politicians? What good does it really do, as it seemingly hasn’t seen a decrease in any sort of statistic that they intended to target. Do you support such action against these historical landmarks? Would love to know what the general consensus is, especially from other Virginians.

Does Germany have statues and honors to Adoph Hitler?
Does the US have honors for Benedict Arnold?

Why should traitors and villains be honored?

Do you understand what it is like to be a person of color and have to pass under someone who fought against the US to maintain slavery?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

BS. He had a choice. And he chose to fight FOR slavery.

If you read his stances, he never supported slavery. He initially wanted to fight for the Union under Lincoln, but couldn’t fight his own brothers and sisters and his home state. Oh and nice deviation from my proposal about Washington and Jefferson, I guess you get to pick and choose the racists.