Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?

[Anonymous]

Good Americans are not treasonous slave owners who declare war on the United States. I don't understand why people have a hard time understanding that.

[Anonymous]

DC needs to take down the Racist Marion Barry statue on Pennsylvania Ave. It’s such an insult to Asian-Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they lost and we won. America has learned a lesson in the last few years about letting racist, fascist losers regroup and we're done doing it.

And to remind them and everyone else of that fact, we’re going to do the same thing, and rename stuff after not like the neighborhood or landmark, but some hyper liberal poster child with no relationship to the street or community.

Do you want examples? John Lewis (Georgia) and Ruth Bader Ginsberg (did she ever step foot in Virginia)?

Naming something in Chevy Chase after Kavanaugh would be more appropriate.

Beer Bro Boulevard?

[Anonymous]

There is no legitimate argument for keeping the monuments. Noted that pp was asked twice to list non-racist reasons for doing so, and could not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no legitimate argument for keeping the monuments. Noted that pp was asked twice to list non-racist reasons for doing so, and could not.

Taking down a statue of Lee in Texas or wherever? If the motives of the ones who put it up were impure, then it makes sense to take it down. Taking down a memorial to Lee in Arlington Cemetery, at his home? That is a bizarre thing to do.

[Anonymous]

Most people are fine with removing the Confederate statues and renaming the local schools and streets named after Confederates.

But it's not like that will satisfy some people. Next they'll want the same thing done with respect to any slaveholders, and then they will come after anyone in a family with a tie to slavery, and then they will look to seize your property (or tax you to oblivion) just because you are the wrong race, so they can lay claim to it.

So, yeah, consign a statue of Lee to a dustbin, but just remember that's not where it starts, not stops, with these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biscuits. Cobbler. Sweet Tea. Grits. Honey Butter. Ham Biscuits. Strawberry Shortcake. All monumental IMO.

You can keep the Sweet Tea (straight up tall cold glass of die-ah-BEET-us!) but the rest is fantastic. Definitely worth celebrating. But those dozens of generic mass-produced Johnny Reb statues put up during the Jim Crow era? Nope. Those can go.

Ok. How about Strawberry Lemonade? Tea with fresh mint? I’m trying to come up with possibilities genuinely worthy of commemoration by an artist like Claes Oldenburg.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people are fine with removing the Confederate statues and renaming the local schools and streets named after Confederates.

But it's not like that will satisfy some people. Next they'll want the same thing done with respect to any slaveholders, and then they will come after anyone in a family with a tie to slavery, and then they will look to seize your property (or tax you to oblivion) just because you are the wrong race, so they can lay claim to it.

So, yeah, consign a statue of Lee to a dustbin, but just remember that's not where it starts, not stops, with these people.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia has a long history of being a southern state and has a deep history with southern culture and ties to the confederacy. Northern Virginia in particular, with the Arlington Cemetery’s connection with Robert E Lee, whom led the Army of Northern Virginia, and the wide spread usage of confederates like Stonewall Jackson High School in PWCS and Robert E Lee High School in FCPS seems to have continually played a part in modern Virginia history throughout the state. Not to mention highways and streets dedicated to Confederates and segregationists like Robert E Lee and Harry Byrd still remain.

This unique attatchment to our history seems to be most or entirely prevalent in Virginia as opposed to DC or Maryland, and has never been a problem for the past century to half a century, through progressive movements and such. However, ever since the slain of George Floyd and the riots in 2020, there seems to have been a new attempt to pit the blame on the “monuments” that apparently glorize these views, and to radically erase them from history and forget about them once and for all. I seem to check google maps and am seemingly forced to learn new road names Like Langston Blvd in Arlington on a weekly basis. From my perspective, being a native of Fauquier county in southern country Virginia and spending lots of time in rural Loudoun and Prince William county, it’s a great change to what I’m used to.

Why the call for action now? Are we really suppose the blame people whom lived in an era where slavery and segregation was an unarguable stance that was unanimous among all politicians? What good does it really do, as it seemingly hasn’t seen a decrease in any sort of statistic that they intended to target. Do you support such action against these historical landmarks? Would love to know what the general consensus is, especially from other Virginians.

1. We shouldn't glorify or honor people who took up arms against the United States.

2. There was never an unanimous opinion that slavery is okay. It was always controversial, at best.

3. We know better now, and we should glorify slavers.

[Anonymous]

This is not hard. No country in the world allows those statues full stop.

They lost. If you don't like it leave the US. FULL STOP

And by the way, Texas can not succeed idiots learn to read.
Their own state Consitution says so. I Love Republican morons. Again Republicans lying to their stupid subjects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not hard. No country in the world allows those statues full stop.

They lost. If you don't like it leave the US. FULL STOP

And by the way, Texas can not succeed idiots learn to read.
Their own state Consitution says so. I Love Republican morons. Again Republicans lying to their stupid subjects.

[Anonymous]

Robert E Lee was an influential Virginia figure. He is a land mark and a beacon in our state. We must look past his history as a Confederate, and appreciate the value he put forth to our land.

[Anonymous]

If this argument holds, should we tear down all the monuments that “glorify” George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc? They all arguably had more racist stances than Lee him self, who only fought not for the cause of slavery but for the cause of his own state. Better so, how about we just rename our capital city, Washington Monument, every school that has Thomas Jefferson in it, and rename the Jefferson memorial?

[Anonymous]

Are we really suppose the blame people whom lived in an era where slavery and segregation was an unarguable stance that was unanimous among all politicians?

This is why we need better history education in the United States. There was NO POINT in US history when slavery and segregation were unanimous positions among all politicians. Not one single solitary moment from the day the first African slaves arrived on our shores. There were always abolitionists. Free Blacks, escaped enslaved people, Quakers, lots of folks with just plain moral good sense.

This idea that someone like Robert E Lee was just going along with the conventional wisdom of the times is absurd on its face, because if "every politician" agreed that slavery was good and normal, then we wouldn't have had a whole war over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Are we really suppose the blame people whom lived in an era where slavery and segregation was an unarguable stance that was unanimous among all politicians?

This is why we need better history education in the United States. There was NO POINT in US history when slavery and segregation were unanimous positions among all politicians. Not one single solitary moment from the day the first African slaves arrived on our shores. There were always abolitionists. Free Blacks, escaped enslaved people, Quakers, lots of folks with just plain moral good sense.

This idea that someone like Robert E Lee was just going along with the conventional wisdom of the times is absurd on its face, because if "every politician" agreed that slavery was good and normal, then we wouldn't have had a whole war over it.

+1

"stance that was unanimous among politicians"? WTAF?

Is this what they actually taught kids in VA back in the day? No wonder we still have jacka$$es running around with Confederate flags.