Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
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Anonymous
So he made a choice to fight for a treasonous army in defense of slavery |
Anonymous
Lies. “According to historians, not only did Lee own slaves, but he also fought in court to keep working slaves from his father-in-law’s estate. Claims casting Lee as an anti-slavery figure are tied to a false narrative known as the Lost Cause, which says the Confederate experience in the Civil War was not about slavery, but state’s rights. Defenders of Lee point to a portion of a letter he wrote to his wife where he refers to slavery as a “moral & political evil.” But it is taken out of context. In the rest of the letter, Lee underscores that the “subjugation” of the slaves needs to go on longer and only God can free them. “If you judge him by his actions, he separated families through sale, he beat slaves who ran away,” said Ariela Gross, professor of law and history at University of Southern California. Gross focuses on race and slavery in the United States. “He was completely engaged in the work of slave holding and supporting slavery.” Learn more here if you care to blow up your entire bullsh|t worldview. https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-9009420680 |
Anonymous
Washington freed his slaves. Jefferson is a POS but he also didn't directly fight against our country. Lee supported slavery so much so that he killed 600k Americans trying to protect it. If he didn't want to "fight his brothers and state" then he could have abstained from the war. Nope. He chose to actively defend slavery. |
Anonymous
So just because he freed his slaves makes his stance on race less evil? Lee wrote about the evils of slavery in his will. According to PPs’ posts, once a racist always a racists. Just because he didn’t fight his own country makes his acts against his slaves permissible? There is no justifiable reason behind wanting to minimize one but keep the others. |
Anonymous
Yes, there is, for anyone not trying to minimize this with the slippery slope fallacy. Also, this: “We remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to ‘lay it on well,’ an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.” |
Anonymous
Yes. Washington thought it was wrong and did something (small) to stop it. Lee actively took major steps to keep slavery. There were a lot of things he could have done in his position. Fighting against his country and killing 600k people to maintain slavery speaks for itself. Not even close to equivalent. |
Anonymous
| As someone who just spent a darn fortune on real estate taxes in NoVA, with a huge majority of it designated for schools, spending money on renaming and signage really pisses me off. Educate the kids for God’s sake! |
Anonymous
FCPS is happy to rename Lee HS and even happier to preserve boundaries that concentrate the poor kids at Lewis and the wealthier kids at West Springfield. It’s a crappy school but the School Board loves to talk about how supportive they are of “good trouble.” |
Anonymous
As someone who had likely spent even more on real estate taxes in NoVA, I fully support spending the money to fix this legacy of the Jim Crow era racists. This teaches our kids to do the right thing, even if it's easier just to do nothing. |
Anonymous
No. Jefferson was a great man, a genius, and made this country, as well as the other countries who have taken this country as a model. As for Washington freeing his slaves, well, he didn't. But it was a very difficult thing to do at that time, the laws were intentionally made that way. |
Anonymous
Jefferson was part of an insurrection. He's only considered a hero because it was successful. |
Anonymous
When Lee invaded Pennsylvania his army captured free blacks into slavery. |
Anonymous
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We only discuss and then sometimes act on the changing of names/removal of statues of slaveholders because this country has so much foundational text on liberty and equality.
You’d get nowhere trying to tear down the founders (in reputation, statuary and memoriam) in a great many other places for holding slaves, oppressing the population, sexism etc. It’s so ironic that so many Americans can’t appreciate that. |
Anonymous
X100 |
Anonymous
Jefferson was seriously flawed on so many levels. I don’t get the fan boys. Our country would have been better off if he had a smaller role. |