What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would they commit family annihilation? Makes no sense, and dragging their little girl and their family dog into it. Perhaps if it was the mom, since she had traumatic brain injury, so her thinking was cloudy. Even that makes very little sense. They had everything going for them.

Who knows why anyone does FA?

Some who do FA include the pets too. It’s sick but their thinking is better we all die together.

I just want to weep reading this. I doubt tbi made Chung cloudy. If this was FA my money is on her. Omg the stuff posted o her IG prior to it being locked was awful. Everyone seemed to love John. No one says a word about the mom.

Sorry I'm just seeing this...
I'm not asking for specifics, but what do you mean it was awful? 😳

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There was nothing awful in her IG prior to it being locked. It was the same as thousands of other IG accounts. She had photos of her dog, her family, outings with friends, trips they took. I don’t know what the PP means about it being awful.

+1. Some of the posters on this thread…wow. Like, oh, they went to Burning Man? Then they are, without question, drug-addicted sex maniacs with morbid depression who definitely would murder their spouse, baby, and dog before committing suicide. But first they went on an 8 mile hike so as not to arouse suspicion!

+1 I looked at her whole Instagram and it was like anyone else on here who leads a UMC life. Family, friends, travel. And I didn’t see any pictures of her nude or topless or even a party lifestyle. Also still waiting to hear from PP’s who allude to her brother’s Instagram and her exBF who allegedly said “I used to hit that.” Is it sexist or what that people are so focused on her, including the way she dressed at a festival, and never commenting on Jon? She graduated from Berkeley and worked in tech for a long time. Yet people keep commenting on her rich husband or rich ex as if she had no accomplishments of her own. Why aren’t people commenting on the way Jon dressed at festivals? I’ve seen pictures of people at festivals (not even Burning Man per se) and everyone dresses very scantily.

I was the one (above) who asked for clarification in regards to what the pp thought was so awful about her Instagram.


I don't know... I keep getting this icky kinda "Yoko Ono" vibe, when it comes to everyone villainizing Ellen (nothing related to the Asian component though).

Yoko Ono was villainized.
Yes, she was a strong & confident woman, yet she was also jarring & polarizing to many people.
She clearly had a compelling voice & major influence with John Lennon (as all wives should).

Ultimately though, it was his decision to leave The Beatles, yet she always was and is still now inherently blamed for the break-up.

From reading these posts, I keep getting the same blamey feeling towards Ellen... is it that people just need SOMEONE to blame?

Am I the only one feeling this way?

We have so little information about them that it is ridiculous that the mom would be considered a polarizing figure. What we do have is lots of sexism, misogyny, and racism and that is certainly making an appearance here. The comments about burning man and people trying to paint her a certain way because of that are straight from 1950.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I put in a request for a new thread when we officially learn this is FA?

(It's kind of annoying having to jump to the end of this massive thread to see if anyone is talking about the official cause of death.)

Nah. I wanna be here to make fun of you when it is all done and we know it was because of the heat.

[Anonymous]

What is the brother's social media?

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Anonymous wrote:The way you guys are calling them John and Ellen is straight up creepy and disturbing and really honestly effed up. You're doing it to convey some type of personal connection that you either don't have, or if you do, shouldn't be posting about.

Ok, mom. 🙄

Please go attempt your shaming somewhere else.

Your preachy sanctimony is laughable, considering that you've posted over and over and are obviously following along closely, as well.

I'd say that makes you just as "creepy" as the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Can I put in a request for a new thread when we officially learn this is FA?

(It's kind of annoying having to jump to the end of this massive thread to see if anyone is talking about the official cause of death.)

Nah. I wanna be here to make fun of you when it is all done and we know it was because of the heat.

The heat did not kill them. Heat related deaths can be determined in autopsy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would they commit family annihilation? Makes no sense, and dragging their little girl and their family dog into it. Perhaps if it was the mom, since she had traumatic brain injury, so her thinking was cloudy. Even that makes very little sense. They had everything going for them.

Who knows why anyone does FA?

Some who do FA include the pets too. It’s sick but their thinking is better we all die together.

I just want to weep reading this. I doubt tbi made Chung cloudy. If this was FA my money is on her. Omg the stuff posted o her IG prior to it being locked was awful. Everyone seemed to love John. No one says a word about the mom.

Sorry I'm just seeing this...
I'm not asking for specifics, but what do you mean it was awful? 😳

NP

There was nothing awful in her IG prior to it being locked. It was the same as thousands of other IG accounts. She had photos of her dog, her family, outings with friends, trips they took. I don’t know what the PP means about it being awful.

+1. Some of the posters on this thread…wow. Like, oh, they went to Burning Man? Then they are, without question, drug-addicted sex maniacs with morbid depression who definitely would murder their spouse, baby, and dog before committing suicide. But first they went on an 8 mile hike so as not to arouse suspicion!

+1 I looked at her whole Instagram and it was like anyone else on here who leads a UMC life. Family, friends, travel. And I didn’t see any pictures of her nude or topless or even a party lifestyle. Also still waiting to hear from PP’s who allude to her brother’s Instagram and her exBF who allegedly said “I used to hit that.” Is it sexist or what that people are so focused on her, including the way she dressed at a festival, and never commenting on Jon? She graduated from Berkeley and worked in tech for a long time. Yet people keep commenting on her rich husband or rich ex as if she had no accomplishments of her own. Why aren’t people commenting on the way Jon dressed at festivals? I’ve seen pictures of people at festivals (not even Burning Man per se) and everyone dresses very scantily.

I was the one (above) who asked for clarification in regards to what the pp thought was so awful about her Instagram.


I don't know... I keep getting this icky kinda "Yoko Ono" vibe, when it comes to everyone villainizing Ellen (nothing related to the Asian component though).

Yoko Ono was villainized.
Yes, she was a strong & confident woman, yet she was also jarring & polarizing to many people.
She clearly had a compelling voice & major influence with John Lennon (as all wives should).

Ultimately though, it was his decision to leave The Beatles, yet she always was and is still now inherently blamed for the break-up.

From reading these posts, I keep getting the same blamey feeling towards Ellen... is it that people just need SOMEONE to blame?

Am I the only one feeling this way?

We have so little information about them that it is ridiculous that the mom would be considered a polarizing figure. What we do have is lots of sexism, misogyny, and racism and that is certainly making an appearance here. The comments about burning man and people trying to paint her a certain way because of that are straight from 1950.

I wasn't saying that Ellen was polarizing, I was saying that I was getting the same icky vilification of Ellen as I felt about Yoko Ono, but I couldn't put my finger on WHY people would automatically jump to doing this.

Your sexism, misogyny, racism theory makes a lot of sense though... how sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can I put in a request for a new thread when we officially learn this is FA?

(It's kind of annoying having to jump to the end of this massive thread to see if anyone is talking about the official cause of death.)

Nah. I wanna be here to make fun of you when it is all done and we know it was because of the heat.

The heat did not kill them. Heat related deaths can be determined in autopsy.

From what I have read, heat as a cause of death can only be determined by ruling out other factors (in a case like this where there are no witnesses). They are still waiting for all of the toxicology results.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the point of speculating if you're not involved with the investigation? Imagine if their family members find this thread.

You think THIS is the only thread discussing this?

A friend of mine is writing an article regarding the public's concern/inquisitiveness (for lack of a better word) regarding what happened to this family -- she said that there are an unprecedented number of discussions online about this family... only comparable to the election. She said that there are hundreds of thousands of comments and questions.

So relax... this won't be the first or only discussion thread about this, and besides, everyone here is keeping this discussion very respectful.

There's nothing here but civil discussion.

Civil discussion? Some. Pure idiocy, lots.

Guess you missed the Hilaria thread. That was pure idiocy. I should have asked Jeff before he deleted it, if it was 2 posters + the OP who kept it going. They thought they were famous for exposing the hideous things H did. They were far worse than H.

[Anonymous]

Here's a new article on the toxic algae theory:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/toxic-algae-california-family-death-yosemite-16461960.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight

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The mom seems like any other woman her age as far as I can tell. She finished school, had a long term relationship that fizzled but got to see the world with him, got a job, met a new guy, married, baby, left the city.

Nothing polarizing.

Only the final chapter is mysterious.

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Anonymous wrote:The mom seems like any other woman her age as far as I can tell. She finished school, had a long term relationship that fizzled but got to see the world with him, got a job, met a new guy, married, baby, left the city.

Nothing polarizing.

Only the final chapter is mysterious.

Again, NOBODY called her polarizing... I said Yoko Ono was polarizing.

I'm not understanding why that word keeps getting cherry picked?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can I put in a request for a new thread when we officially learn this is FA?

(It's kind of annoying having to jump to the end of this massive thread to see if anyone is talking about the official cause of death.)

Nah. I wanna be here to make fun of you when it is all done and we know it was because of the heat.

The heat did not kill them. Heat related deaths can be determined in autopsy.

From what I have read, heat as a cause of death can only be determined by ruling out other factors (in a case like this where there are no witnesses). They are still waiting for all of the toxicology results.

This is what Dr. Michael Baden published:

Autopsy
1. Autopsy findings in heat stroke are subtle and include degeneration of neurons in the cerebral cortex, cerebellum and basal ganglia, and scattered petechiae in the walls of the third and fourth ventricles

and the aqueduct. Petechiae also may be found in the thoracic and abdominal viscera. Postmortem decomposition begins early and prog- resses rapidly. Localized application of heat to the skin can result
in bums of varying degrees (see Chapter XV). Death resulting from
cold and exposure is associated with bright red postmortem lividity.
Cutis anserina (goose-flesh) may be present because of rigor of the arrectores pilorum muscles. The onset of decomposition is delayed, t and the process is slowed.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would they commit family annihilation? Makes no sense, and dragging their little girl and their family dog into it. Perhaps if it was the mom, since she had traumatic brain injury, so her thinking was cloudy. Even that makes very little sense. They had everything going for them.

Who knows why anyone does FA?

Some who do FA include the pets too. It’s sick but their thinking is better we all die together.

I just want to weep reading this. I doubt tbi made Chung cloudy. If this was FA my money is on her. Omg the stuff posted o her IG prior to it being locked was awful. Everyone seemed to love John. No one says a word about the mom.

Sorry I'm just seeing this...
I'm not asking for specifics, but what do you mean it was awful? 😳

NP

There was nothing awful in her IG prior to it being locked. It was the same as thousands of other IG accounts. She had photos of her dog, her family, outings with friends, trips they took. I don’t know what the PP means about it being awful.

+1. Some of the posters on this thread…wow. Like, oh, they went to Burning Man? Then they are, without question, drug-addicted sex maniacs with morbid depression who definitely would murder their spouse, baby, and dog before committing suicide. But first they went on an 8 mile hike so as not to arouse suspicion!

+1 I looked at her whole Instagram and it was like anyone else on here who leads a UMC life. Family, friends, travel. And I didn’t see any pictures of her nude or topless or even a party lifestyle. Also still waiting to hear from PP’s who allude to her brother’s Instagram and her exBF who allegedly said “I used to hit that.” Is it sexist or what that people are so focused on her, including the way she dressed at a festival, and never commenting on Jon? She graduated from Berkeley and worked in tech for a long time. Yet people keep commenting on her rich husband or rich ex as if she had no accomplishments of her own. Why aren’t people commenting on the way Jon dressed at festivals? I’ve seen pictures of people at festivals (not even Burning Man per se) and everyone dresses very scantily.

I was the one (above) who asked for clarification in regards to what the pp thought was so awful about her Instagram.


I don't know... I keep getting this icky kinda "Yoko Ono" vibe, when it comes to everyone villainizing Ellen (nothing related to the Asian component though).

Yoko Ono was villainized.
Yes, she was a strong & confident woman, yet she was also jarring & polarizing to many people.
She clearly had a compelling voice & major influence with John Lennon (as all wives should).

Ultimately though, it was his decision to leave The Beatles, yet she always was and is still now inherently blamed for the break-up.

From reading these posts, I keep getting the same blamey feeling towards Ellen... is it that people just need SOMEONE to blame?

Am I the only one feeling this way?

We have so little information about them that it is ridiculous that the mom would be considered a polarizing figure. What we do have is lots of sexism, misogyny, and racism and that is certainly making an appearance here. The comments about burning man and people trying to paint her a certain way because of that are straight from 1950.

I wasn't saying that Ellen was polarizing, I was saying that I was getting the same icky vilification of Ellen as I felt about Yoko Ono, but I couldn't put my finger on WHY people would automatically jump to doing this.

Your sexism, misogyny, racism theory makes a lot of sense though... how sad.

Sorry I didn't mean to jump on you, I actually agreed with your post. I'm also saddened by how quickly the posters on this very long thread began to villianize her. There is no sympathy expressed for her health issues etc. The assumptions made on this past are upsetting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I put in a request for a new thread when we officially learn this is FA?

(It's kind of annoying having to jump to the end of this massive thread to see if anyone is talking about the official cause of death.)

Nah. I wanna be here to make fun of you when it is all done and we know it was because of the heat.

The heat did not kill them. Heat related deaths can be determined in autopsy.

Please tell us your qualifications to make this pronouncement, Dr. ?.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can I put in a request for a new thread when we officially learn this is FA?

(It's kind of annoying having to jump to the end of this massive thread to see if anyone is talking about the official cause of death.)

Nah. I wanna be here to make fun of you when it is all done and we know it was because of the heat.

Meet me in the new thread. I'll be there.