Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:+1000

Ritchie Park had a boundary study rep from RP2. There was no opposition from RP2 in the spring during the boundary study meetings. It was always expected that their zone would move. It is unfortunate the way the neighborhood is being used and talked about now.

That's simply a lie. Options 7 and 8 had RP2 staying at RPES.

Most people didn't see those options as realistic.

25 % from the options on the table had them staying at RPES. Duh. Nobody thought healthcare was so complicated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I should have worded it differently. I meant to say that RP2 busing or walking is not going to force other zones to walk or bus. RP2 walking and busing also has nothing to do with capacity here. RP2/6 is pretty much same as RP5 in capacity. Capacity argument is totally different. Overcrowded schools impact the entire school and not just one zone.

As I said, many zones are using RP2 argument only to serve their own agenda. Some zones want RP2 to walk despite being a 0.7-0.9 miles walk and not an easy walk. Some zones want RP2 to take bus despite it's being less than 1 mile from new school. Both sides are making argument only to serve their own agenda and they don't care if those FARMs kids continue going to RP with bus or walk to new school.


CG3 issue is totally different. It impacts other zones in CG directly. Hope it makes it clear.

- CG1 Parent

Everybody knows by now that CG3 is special.

Special in what way?

Special snowflakes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I should have worded it differently. I meant to say that RP2 busing or walking is not going to force other zones to walk or bus. RP2 walking and busing also has nothing to do with capacity here. RP2/6 is pretty much same as RP5 in capacity. Capacity argument is totally different. Overcrowded schools impact the entire school and not just one zone.

As I said, many zones are using RP2 argument only to serve their own agenda. Some zones want RP2 to walk despite being a 0.7-0.9 miles walk and not an easy walk. Some zones want RP2 to take bus despite it's being less than 1 mile from new school. Both sides are making argument only to serve their own agenda and they don't care if those FARMs kids continue going to RP with bus or walk to new school.


CG3 issue is totally different. It impacts other zones in CG directly. Hope it makes it clear.

- CG1 Parent

Everybody knows by now that CG3 is special.

Special in what way?

A Rockville Council member, who lives in CG3, took time to attend many advisory meetings to make sure that CG3 doesn't go to Beall. He also managed to get lots of his friends to give testimony to prove that Woodley Gardens is special. Many Woodley Gardens speakers testified that WG has been attending CG for 40 years and must continue attending it. It's an elite neighborhood and special.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I should have worded it differently. I meant to say that RP2 busing or walking is not going to force other zones to walk or bus. RP2 walking and busing also has nothing to do with capacity here. RP2/6 is pretty much same as RP5 in capacity. Capacity argument is totally different. Overcrowded schools impact the entire school and not just one zone.

As I said, many zones are using RP2 argument only to serve their own agenda. Some zones want RP2 to walk despite being a 0.7-0.9 miles walk and not an easy walk. Some zones want RP2 to take bus despite it's being less than 1 mile from new school. Both sides are making argument only to serve their own agenda and they don't care if those FARMs kids continue going to RP with bus or walk to new school.


CG3 issue is totally different. It impacts other zones in CG directly. Hope it makes it clear.

- CG1 Parent

Everybody knows by now that CG3 is special.

Special in what way?

A Rockville Council member, who lives in CG3, took time to attend many advisory meetings to make sure that CG3 doesn't go to Beall. He also managed to get lots of his friends to give testimony to prove that Woodley Gardens is special. Many Woodley Gardens speakers testified that WG has been attending CG for 40 years and must continue attending it. It's an elite neighborhood and special.

Pretty much all neighborhoods have been going to certain elementary for decades. There is nothing special about WG going to CG for decades. That's an absurd argument to make. Politicians staying in certain ares shouldn't result in making absurd decisions to please those politicians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The latest supplement for tonight's meeting has a table with the projected # of kids from approved and proposed development, and notes that Tower Oaks was NOT included in the A-E projections due to the recency of the approval:

http://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/ATCNZX6269C4/$file/171122%20Nov.16%20CIP%20Hearing%20Follow-ups.pdf

Elementary Enrollment projections from APPROVED development
B5N - 43
B3 - 56
T1 - 13

PROPOSED development
B5N - 16
B3 - 26
CG6 - 16
RP5 - 25

This information is one week old and not a new one. Problem is huge under projections of kids in condos and B5 is getting tons of it. RM cluster will be a huge mess in coming years. I guess Beall will be the biggest mess among all schools.

Rm will be a huge mess in coming years??? It already has been! I live near Ritchie Park and every school around not in the RM cluster is under capacity, by a lot and most are brand new schools. It is complete BS that this cluster has been screwed time and time again while they sit at 80% capacity in brand new schools. I don't even care that their FARMS rates are low. I care that their schools have multiple open classrooms and Ritchie Park has lived with 6 portables for years while the BOE and MCPS rebuilt under enrolled Beverly Farms, Wayside, and now Potomac. COld Spring has about 73% capacity. Maybe only 50% if you took out the gifted program. Can anyone around here go to that gifted program in an under enrolled school down the street. Nope. Instead they bus our kids 6 miles to Barnsley.

Now the portables in RM's main parking lot? So tacky. That a 9 year old newly built school already needs and addition is also ridiculous. The fact that it was nixed is even more ridiculous. The fact the BOE and MCPS are clueless on numbers and their stingy projections and are sitting here realizing how incorrect they are? Embarrassing. Will anything be done? Of course not.

You are all worried about 79% capacity in RM5. There are schools far less than that with NO projected growth.

Not only should they approve the buildout but they need to move forward with a complete re haul on Twinbrook with an expansion while they are doing it. But they won't. They will wait until we are all in 5+ portables again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is only zoned “not around RM5” because it was already a section removed from Beall awhile back and had to be labeled RP2 since it now goes to RP. If it was still in Beall it would be known as part of B2 and it would 100% be the new walkable zone of RM5.

Look at the size of B2 compared to CG1, B1, TB1? Remove the RP2 label and blend it with B2 and it still won’t be the size of CG1 or TB1. Because RP2 SHOULD be part of B2 walkable area.

So why not remove parts or cut up parts of CG1 to another school? A part of B1 or T1. It is absolutely no different.

RP2 woulda shoulda coulda be part of B2. It is not. No need to bend logic here. RP2 is currently part of RPES community and there is no school in the middle of RP2. They are not similar to B1 or T1. RP2 can continue going to RPES like nothing happened.

Sorry, I agree with the other poster. It is indeed a walkable section. It was said right from the start that RP2 and B2 were the walkable neighborhoods to the new school and off limits in the boundary changes. That is why they are both listed as 2 even though both aren't near their 1 sections. The first 4 options and then the next 2 all had RP2 going to RM5 as planned. RP2 knew this and had no complaints. None. They only starting moving RP2 back to RP when Hungerford complained about the FARMS rates that were ironically wrong for everyone and the super wanted to try a few things to balance the farms. Then instead of 12% FARMS rate that RP was supposed to have in options 1-6, the new numbers show it at 7.5% and some people like you PP began over focusing on. There are no sections to bring to RP unless it is far away to bring higher FARMS. But now moving RP2 back in is wrong. They need to walk. Bus Lincoln Park in. Bus apartment sections of Beall in that aren't walkable. But leave RP2 to walk to their new school like it was originally planned. It is like they are used as a pawn in a game. I know many people from that school and RP2/6 knew they were going from the time the school was being built and were happy.

Your memory is playing games. Tell me more about the original Options 7 and 8.

Not the PP but the original 7 and 8 were much later. There were only 4 in the original plan.

They came at the same time as Options 5 and 6. RP2 was staying in RMES 5 in all options is a lie.

Incorrect.

Are you saying RP2 and B2 were not initially listed as walkable and 100% going to RM5. I was at the meeting it was mentioned before options 1-4 were even on the table. They just showed the zones. It was a done deal. Options 7 and 8 came out later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1000

Ritchie Park had a boundary study rep from RP2. There was no opposition from RP2 in the spring during the boundary study meetings. It was always expected that their zone would move. It is unfortunate the way the neighborhood is being used and talked about now.

That's simply a lie. Options 7 and 8 had RP2 staying at RPES.

Most people didn't see those options as realistic.

Who are those most people and how did you manage to gather opinion of most people ?

We do have one Google Survey( 160 entries) which has 50% entry from CG. Are you referring to that?

All options were created and presented by MCPS because all options were on table.

My guess is the parents at schools talk to each other.
Someone ,mentioned an RP2 mom was on the boundary committee
The fact that the were going to walk 100% in the first set of options.

This isn't a matter of a poll needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I live near Ritchie Park and every school around not in the RM cluster is under capacity, by a lot and most are brand new schools. It is complete BS that this cluster has been screwed time and time again while they sit at 80% capacity in brand new schools. I don't even care that their FARMS rates are low. I care that their schools have multiple open classrooms and Ritchie Park has lived with 6 portables for years while the BOE and MCPS rebuilt under enrolled Beverly Farms, Wayside, and now Potomac. COld Spring has about 73% capacity.

Why can't we have some RP kids going to those Potomac schools? It's insane idea to have all those empty schools and then have portables in RM cluster.

I have heard that elementary and high schools are tied together. If that's the case, do you know how Wootton or Churchill looks like in terms of crowd? If they are less crowded than RM then it makes all the sense to send some RP kids to Potomac schools to free capacity in RM cluster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1000

Ritchie Park had a boundary study rep from RP2. There was no opposition from RP2 in the spring during the boundary study meetings. It was always expected that their zone would move. It is unfortunate the way the neighborhood is being used and talked about now.

That's simply a lie. Options 7 and 8 had RP2 staying at RPES.

Most people didn't see those options as realistic.

Who are those most people and how did you manage to gather opinion of most people ?

We do have one Google Survey( 160 entries) which has 50% entry from CG. Are you referring to that?

All options were created and presented by MCPS because all options were on table.

My guess is the parents at schools talk to each other.

You talking to few parents is not really the same as most people. That was the point. Without survey any claim of 'most people want this' or 'most people want that' is baseless.

[Anonymous]

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I was at the meeting it was mentioned before options 1-4 were even on the table. They just showed the zones. It was a done deal.

Nothing was done deal in those meetings. I was present in all meetings except one. Advisory group didn't even have any power to select one over another and rightly so. They were only allowed to comment on all options by listing pros and cons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It is only zoned “not around RM5” because it was already a section removed from Beall awhile back and had to be labeled RP2 since it now goes to RP. If it was still in Beall it would be known as part of B2 and it would 100% be the new walkable zone of RM5.

Look at the size of B2 compared to CG1, B1, TB1? Remove the RP2 label and blend it with B2 and it still won’t be the size of CG1 or TB1. Because RP2 SHOULD be part of B2 walkable area.

So why not remove parts or cut up parts of CG1 to another school? A part of B1 or T1. It is absolutely no different.

RP2 woulda shoulda coulda be part of B2. It is not. No need to bend logic here. RP2 is currently part of RPES community and there is no school in the middle of RP2. They are not similar to B1 or T1. RP2 can continue going to RPES like nothing happened.

Sorry, I agree with the other poster. It is indeed a walkable section. It was said right from the start that RP2 and B2 were the walkable neighborhoods to the new school and off limits in the boundary changes. That is why they are both listed as 2 even though both aren't near their 1 sections. The first 4 options and then the next 2 all had RP2 going to RM5 as planned. RP2 knew this and had no complaints. None. They only starting moving RP2 back to RP when Hungerford complained about the FARMS rates that were ironically wrong for everyone and the super wanted to try a few things to balance the farms. Then instead of 12% FARMS rate that RP was supposed to have in options 1-6, the new numbers show it at 7.5% and some people like you PP began over focusing on. There are no sections to bring to RP unless it is far away to bring higher FARMS. But now moving RP2 back in is wrong. They need to walk. Bus Lincoln Park in. Bus apartment sections of Beall in that aren't walkable. But leave RP2 to walk to their new school like it was originally planned. It is like they are used as a pawn in a game. I know many people from that school and RP2/6 knew they were going from the time the school was being built and were happy.

Your memory is playing games. Tell me more about the original Options 7 and 8.

Not the PP but the original 7 and 8 were much later. There were only 4 in the original plan.

They came at the same time as Options 5 and 6. RP2 was staying in RMES 5 in all options is a lie.

Incorrect.

Are you saying RP2 and B2 were not initially listed as walkable and 100% going to RM5. I was at the meeting it was mentioned before options 1-4 were even on the table. They just showed the zones. It was a done deal. Options 7 and 8 came out later.

Options 7 and 8 came out way before Hungerford complained about FARMS rates. RP2 going to RMES5 was not a done deal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I live near Ritchie Park and every school around not in the RM cluster is under capacity, by a lot and most are brand new schools. It is complete BS that this cluster has been screwed time and time again while they sit at 80% capacity in brand new schools. I don't even care that their FARMS rates are low. I care that their schools have multiple open classrooms and Ritchie Park has lived with 6 portables for years while the BOE and MCPS rebuilt under enrolled Beverly Farms, Wayside, and now Potomac. COld Spring has about 73% capacity.

Why can't we have some RP kids going to those Potomac schools? It's insane idea to have all those empty schools and then have portables in RM cluster.

I have heard that elementary and high schools are tied together. If that's the case, do you know how Wootton or Churchill looks like in terms of crowd? If they are less crowded than RM then it makes all the sense to send some RP kids to Potomac schools to free capacity in RM cluster.

No they are not tied to each other. Some middle schools split and go to two separate high schools. I think Cabin John is one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I was at the meeting it was mentioned before options 1-4 were even on the table. They just showed the zones. It was a done deal.

Nothing was done deal in those meetings. I was present in all meetings except one. Advisory group didn't even have any power to select one over another and rightly so. They were only allowed to comment on all options by listing pros and cons.

It was THOUGHT to be a done deal. RP2 area knew as soon as the old Hungerford Elementary was being rebuilt, they were going there. It was their walkable zone decades prior and it made sense since they were the closest from RP. Once BOE announced it was RP2 and walakable, furthered that notion. Not until 7 and 8 were brought about was there one person thinking they were staying, complaining about not staying and were actually looking forward to the move. It is tough on FARMS and the school has a terrible administration. A new school would be a delight. I can tell you FG would have jumped to leave if they built up north. It isn't like we are some wonderful sought after school. Even if they get 7% FARMS, it won't change the internal damage. The poor PTA turnout, the lack of decent administration, etc... if anything making it smaller will give us less involvement. I wish I were going to the new school. I am in no boundary changes and will be at RP no matter what. My kids have friends from all the sections that could be leaving. It will suck no matter what. There isn't one side against another. Everyone just wants the kids to not go further than they need to. I can understand where they are coming from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1000

Ritchie Park had a boundary study rep from RP2. There was no opposition from RP2 in the spring during the boundary study meetings. It was always expected that their zone would move. It is unfortunate the way the neighborhood is being used and talked about now.

That's simply a lie. Options 7 and 8 had RP2 staying at RPES.

Most people didn't see those options as realistic.

Who are those most people and how did you manage to gather opinion of most people ?

We do have one Google Survey( 160 entries) which has 50% entry from CG. Are you referring to that?

All options were created and presented by MCPS because all options were on table.

My guess is the parents at schools talk to each other.

You talking to few parents is not really the same as most people. That was the point. Without survey any claim of 'most people want this' or 'most people want that' is baseless.

The BOE knows based on letters/emails.
They realized going door to door that FARMS families want proximity

We will see what they pick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I live near Ritchie Park and every school around not in the RM cluster is under capacity, by a lot and most are brand new schools. It is complete BS that this cluster has been screwed time and time again while they sit at 80% capacity in brand new schools. I don't even care that their FARMS rates are low. I care that their schools have multiple open classrooms and Ritchie Park has lived with 6 portables for years while the BOE and MCPS rebuilt under enrolled Beverly Farms, Wayside, and now Potomac. COld Spring has about 73% capacity.

Why can't we have some RP kids going to those Potomac schools? It's insane idea to have all those empty schools and then have portables in RM cluster.

I have heard that elementary and high schools are tied together. If that's the case, do you know how Wootton or Churchill looks like in terms of crowd? If they are less crowded than RM then it makes all the sense to send some RP kids to Potomac schools to free capacity in RM cluster.

Because there would have to be a boundary study and a rezoning.

We're at page 170 on DCUM for a boundary study/rezoning for going from four elementary schools to five elementary schools, within the same high school cluster. If you think that's fun, only imagine how much fun it will be to have a boundary study for what you propose. Or, really, you don't have to imagine -- just wait a few years for the high school at Crown Farm.