Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems to me they are no closer to finding him. If he is alive, how is he getting food without being spotted?

This was my question up - thread.

Without someone financially supporting him, how can he live? I mean, leaving with only a backpack, he must be almost out of food by now. So it’s just a matter of time until he has to come in to buy more. Then, bingo! Hancuffs come out and he goes to prison.

I’m new to this post. But perhaps he thought this through with the road trip? It seems like it was pre-meditated to me.

[Anonymous]

She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

Wrong.

The person who failed her was her fiancé. Then after that his parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

Wrong.

The person who failed her was her fiancé. Then after that his parents.

No offense, but it doesn’t sound like they were really engaged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

Wrong.

The person who failed her was her fiancé. Then after that his parents.

No offense, but it doesn’t sound like they were really engaged.

Don't you know she shouted it out of the van window as she was leaving...its SO SERIOUS...I mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After watching both police videos, I shake my head how the police could not see what a con artist Brian was. Look at his body language, how he seems so hyper, apologized over and over while nervously making little jokes. Didn’t those cops ever see Chris Watts body language after his wife/kids went “missing?” Same body language, smiling while playing a part. Brian was displaying sociopathic vibes like Chris was. And hopefully will share the same fate too.
I watch these videos of Gabby basically crying out to whoever will listen. So many cries for help.
I want to tell her, Gabby leave him at the hotel. Let him have a hot shower and a real bed to sleep in. Meanwhile get in the van and drive, drive all night if you can. Go home to your parents. Let Brian figure out the rest after his little free mini-vaca. The Bowen Hotel ain’t too bad.

Hindsight is 20/20. The cops surely see a lot of nervous, apologetic people. They did their job and separated the two to cool down for the night. They listened to Gabby, but they aren’t psychologists, social workers, or psychics. There are limits to what they are allowed to do, especially since Brian was the one sporting scratches, and Gabby didn’t in fact “cry for help.”

+1

+2. Exactly. Sad if anyone loses their job over this.

In a world with no training in domestic violence maybe. It’s pretty much domestic violence 101 that an abused woman will not admit abuse to strangers. Also that abusers are liars. Which is why the initial report from a neutral third party that he was hitting her should have guided all subsequent police action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

Wrong.

The person who failed her was her fiancé. Then after that his parents.

No offense, but it doesn’t sound like they were really engaged.

Okay, let's stick to the important stuff instead of petty nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Sadly, at the end of the day, it’s pretty difficult to help someone who doesn’t want or isn’t ready for help. She could have said so many things to the police or her parents there that she didn’t say. She absolutely did not deserve what happened to her, but people are not mind readers. It’s really easy after the fact to say what you would have done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

Wrong.

The person who failed her was her fiancé. Then after that his parents.

No offense, but it doesn’t sound like they were really engaged.

Okay, let's stick to the important stuff instead of petty nonsense.

Yes what is happening with Dog?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was killed 2 weeks after the police encounter. What were the police supposed to do with her to prevent that from happening 2 weeks later? They separated them. She went right back to him within 12 hours.

The people who failed her were her parents and friends. They were the ones who had any chance of getting her to wise up and leave this looser. If I was her mom or dad I'd be on an airplane the day of that call with the police. When I was growing up, my dad did crazy stuff like that for me. When I was in graduate school (early 20s) he once drove 12 hours straight to help me move out of a bad situation. He just got in the car, arrived and helped me get my sh%t together. That's what parents are supposed to do, even with young 20 somethings. And friends too. Where were her friends in this? They had to have known that she was dating a verbally abusive loser.

Wrong.

The person who failed her was her fiancé. Then after that his parents.

No offense, but it doesn’t sound like they were really engaged.

Okay, let's stick to the important stuff instead of petty nonsense.

Yes what is happening with Dog?

Oh, he's a follow-on-er looking for another 15 minutes of fame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After watching both police videos, I shake my head how the police could not see what a con artist Brian was. Look at his body language, how he seems so hyper, apologized over and over while nervously making little jokes. Didn’t those cops ever see Chris Watts body language after his wife/kids went “missing?” Same body language, smiling while playing a part. Brian was displaying sociopathic vibes like Chris was. And hopefully will share the same fate too.
I watch these videos of Gabby basically crying out to whoever will listen. So many cries for help.
I want to tell her, Gabby leave him at the hotel. Let him have a hot shower and a real bed to sleep in. Meanwhile get in the van and drive, drive all night if you can. Go home to your parents. Let Brian figure out the rest after his little free mini-vaca. The Bowen Hotel ain’t too bad.

Hindsight is 20/20. The cops surely see a lot of nervous, apologetic people. They did their job and separated the two to cool down for the night. They listened to Gabby, but they aren’t psychologists, social workers, or psychics. There are limits to what they are allowed to do, especially since Brian was the one sporting scratches, and Gabby didn’t in fact “cry for help.”

+1

+2. Exactly. Sad if anyone loses their job over this.

In a world with no training in domestic violence maybe. It’s pretty much domestic violence 101 that an abused woman will not admit abuse to strangers. Also that abusers are liars. Which is why the initial report from a neutral third party that he was hitting her should have guided all subsequent police action.

I don't get it that Brian is labeled as a domestic abuser. Where are the bruises on Gabby? It looks like that girl took so many pictures of herself that surely, there would some indication of his previous abusing behavior.

Listen, I think this guy is a dirt bag for what he did after she disappeared but that doesn't make him an abuser. Save that terms for dudes who actually abuse. Brian is just a low life dirt bag with no conscious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After watching both police videos, I shake my head how the police could not see what a con artist Brian was. Look at his body language, how he seems so hyper, apologized over and over while nervously making little jokes. Didn’t those cops ever see Chris Watts body language after his wife/kids went “missing?” Same body language, smiling while playing a part. Brian was displaying sociopathic vibes like Chris was. And hopefully will share the same fate too.
I watch these videos of Gabby basically crying out to whoever will listen. So many cries for help.
I want to tell her, Gabby leave him at the hotel. Let him have a hot shower and a real bed to sleep in. Meanwhile get in the van and drive, drive all night if you can. Go home to your parents. Let Brian figure out the rest after his little free mini-vaca. The Bowen Hotel ain’t too bad.

Hindsight is 20/20. The cops surely see a lot of nervous, apologetic people. They did their job and separated the two to cool down for the night. They listened to Gabby, but they aren’t psychologists, social workers, or psychics. There are limits to what they are allowed to do, especially since Brian was the one sporting scratches, and Gabby didn’t in fact “cry for help.”

+1

+2. Exactly. Sad if anyone loses their job over this.

In a world with no training in domestic violence maybe. It’s pretty much domestic violence 101 that an abused woman will not admit abuse to strangers. Also that abusers are liars. Which is why the initial report from a neutral third party that he was hitting her should have guided all subsequent police action.

I don't get it that Brian is labeled as a domestic abuser. Where are the bruises on Gabby? It looks like that girl took so many pictures of herself that surely, there would some indication of his previous abusing behavior.

Listen, I think this guy is a dirt bag for what he did after she disappeared but that doesn't make him an abuser. Save that terms for dudes who actually abuse. Brian is just a low life dirt bag with no conscious.

experienced abusers don't leave marks. There are a lot of ways to inflict physical pain that don't leave marks. Abuse is a lot more than a visible mark.

[Anonymous]

Need help with domestic violence? Reach out:

https://www.thehotline.org/

800 977 SAFE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After watching both police videos, I shake my head how the police could not see what a con artist Brian was. Look at his body language, how he seems so hyper, apologized over and over while nervously making little jokes. Didn’t those cops ever see Chris Watts body language after his wife/kids went “missing?” Same body language, smiling while playing a part. Brian was displaying sociopathic vibes like Chris was. And hopefully will share the same fate too.
I watch these videos of Gabby basically crying out to whoever will listen. So many cries for help.
I want to tell her, Gabby leave him at the hotel. Let him have a hot shower and a real bed to sleep in. Meanwhile get in the van and drive, drive all night if you can. Go home to your parents. Let Brian figure out the rest after his little free mini-vaca. The Bowen Hotel ain’t too bad.

Hindsight is 20/20. The cops surely see a lot of nervous, apologetic people. They did their job and separated the two to cool down for the night. They listened to Gabby, but they aren’t psychologists, social workers, or psychics. There are limits to what they are allowed to do, especially since Brian was the one sporting scratches, and Gabby didn’t in fact “cry for help.”

+1

+2. Exactly. Sad if anyone loses their job over this.

In a world with no training in domestic violence maybe. It’s pretty much domestic violence 101 that an abused woman will not admit abuse to strangers. Also that abusers are liars. Which is why the initial report from a neutral third party that he was hitting her should have guided all subsequent police action.

I don't get it that Brian is labeled as a domestic abuser. Where are the bruises on Gabby? It looks like that girl took so many pictures of herself that surely, there would some indication of his previous abusing behavior.

Listen, I think this guy is a dirt bag for what he did after she disappeared but that doesn't make him an abuser. Save that terms for dudes who actually abuse. Brian is just a low life dirt bag with no conscious.

Her friend said he hid Gabby's license so she couldn't go meet friends at a bar. An eyewitness called the cops to report him hitting her in the face in the street. The police body cam also shows Gabby telling the cops that he hit her. But you "don't get it" that he's a domestic abuser because she didn't update Instagram with a picture of her bruised face? You should consider that you have no idea what DV is and should not be giving out advice about "dudes who actually abuse" online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sadly, at the end of the day, it’s pretty difficult to help someone who doesn’t want or isn’t ready for help. She could have said so many things to the police or her parents there that she didn’t say. She absolutely did not deserve what happened to her, but people are not mind readers. It’s really easy after the fact to say what you would have done.

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