Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:Liker her, or not, it's Kamala. Take a look at what she's been up to the last couple of weeks. Done deal.

Not happening. Too many negatives.

Your flooding this thread with this same sentiment won't make your perspective more credible.

NP: I've been a fan of Harris as VP. But I was talking to my mom this morning - she's white, in her late 70s, hates Trump, totally addicted to MSNBC - and she was telling me there's just something about Harris she doesn't like. My mom is my barometer for how normal Democrats are responding to the world - and if she's feeling this way about Harris, I am going to guess that plenty of other people do, too.

I still like Harris. But now I worry she doesn't pass the Mom test.

The Mom test crucified the most competent and prepared presidential candidate in 2016.

Tell you mom that she doesn't have to freaking be BFFs with a woman to note that she can do the damned job.

+1 This is not the election to be going by gut feeling and who you can have a beer with. 4 years of dismal mismanagement has shown us that being competent is > being affable.

I am the Mom test person - and no one is saying that it's GOOD for the Mom test to matter. This isn't a normative thing. It's trying to be smart about winning an election. You have to win before you can govern.

Here's another family story: I had dinner with a Republican cousin before the primaries got started and he was telling me how much he dislikes Trump - and that he'd like to vote for a Democrat this time bit it couldn't be Warren because he just didn't like her. Do you want to shout at that guy or do you want to give him an option he can stomach so we can get rid of Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:Well...seems like at least one on the vetting team are going for anyone but Harris.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/kamala-harris-biden-vp-381829

Dodd is Biden’s closest confidante on the vetting team. I wonder if they’re not prepping the public for the fact she won’t be the pick. I hope not, don’t think for a second Biden can trust her and I so dislike her cheap prosecutorial theatrics. Bass or Duckworth are loyal and would give him the Obama-like trust and partnership he’s looking for. Also Harris is not strong when discussing policy. She seems very far from a “do no harm” pick to me.

Yes, for those who watched West Wing, Dodd is Leo to Biden's Bartlett. His voice/vote carries more weight than the others, so that is a major problem.

The problem I have with Harris is that she is a west coast generic Democrat which isn't that different from an east coast Democrat (e.g. Biden). Yes, she has very similar politics, but she also has very similar selling points as Biden. She adds NOTHING to his campaign in any of the swing states nor for any of the undecided voters either the Independents/moderates who are uncommitted or the voters who do not always vote. She does nothing to get out the vote and encourage new voters.

Biden needs to either pick someone that he has a close and solid relationship with, e.g. Rice. Or someone who adds voters to his ticket, e.g. Lujan Grisham, Duckworth, Lance Bottoms or Whitmer.

While I see that Dodd is promoting Bass, I'm not sure that she adds much either. She is another west cost generic Democrat. She does have a lot more support from the minority community in general, but I don't know that she adds anything in the swing states or with uncommitted voters either.

[Anonymous]

If Dodd has that much clout it’s a wonder Warren is even still on any list. I think it’s not only Dodd but Biden’s sister and wife who have written Harris off as the one with a knife waiting to put it in his back.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well...seems like at least one on the vetting team are going for anyone but Harris.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/kamala-harris-biden-vp-381829

Dodd is Biden’s closest confidante on the vetting team. I wonder if they’re not prepping the public for the fact she won’t be the pick. I hope not, don’t think for a second Biden can trust her and I so dislike her cheap prosecutorial theatrics. Bass or Duckworth are loyal and would give him the Obama-like trust and partnership he’s looking for. Also Harris is not strong when discussing policy. She seems very far from a “do no harm” pick to me.

Yes, for those who watched West Wing, Dodd is Leo to Biden's Bartlett. His voice/vote carries more weight than the others, so that is a major problem.

The problem I have with Harris is that she is a west coast generic Democrat which isn't that different from an east coast Democrat (e.g. Biden). Yes, she has very similar politics, but she also has very similar selling points as Biden. She adds NOTHING to his campaign in any of the swing states nor for any of the undecided voters either the Independents/moderates who are uncommitted or the voters who do not always vote. She does nothing to get out the vote and encourage new voters.

Biden needs to either pick someone that he has a close and solid relationship with, e.g. Rice. Or someone who adds voters to his ticket, e.g. Lujan Grisham, Duckworth, Lance Bottoms or Whitmer.

While I see that Dodd is promoting Bass, I'm not sure that she adds much either. She is another west cost generic Democrat. She does have a lot more support from the minority community in general, but I don't know that she adds anything in the swing states or with uncommitted voters either.

The thing Bass potentially adds is a clear signal that this is a one term ticket. That has the potential to appeal to Republicans that want to dump Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well...seems like at least one on the vetting team are going for anyone but Harris.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/kamala-harris-biden-vp-381829

Dodd is Biden’s closest confidante on the vetting team. I wonder if they’re not prepping the public for the fact she won’t be the pick. I hope not, don’t think for a second Biden can trust her and I so dislike her cheap prosecutorial theatrics. Bass or Duckworth are loyal and would give him the Obama-like trust and partnership he’s looking for. Also Harris is not strong when discussing policy. She seems very far from a “do no harm” pick to me.

Yes, for those who watched West Wing, Dodd is Leo to Biden's Bartlett. His voice/vote carries more weight than the others, so that is a major problem.

The problem I have with Harris is that she is a west coast generic Democrat which isn't that different from an east coast Democrat (e.g. Biden). Yes, she has very similar politics, but she also has very similar selling points as Biden. She adds NOTHING to his campaign in any of the swing states nor for any of the undecided voters either the Independents/moderates who are uncommitted or the voters who do not always vote. She does nothing to get out the vote and encourage new voters.

Biden needs to either pick someone that he has a close and solid relationship with, e.g. Rice. Or someone who adds voters to his ticket, e.g. Lujan Grisham, Duckworth, Lance Bottoms or Whitmer.

While I see that Dodd is promoting Bass, I'm not sure that she adds much either. She is another west cost generic Democrat. She does have a lot more support from the minority community in general, but I don't know that she adds anything in the swing states or with uncommitted voters either.

The thing Bass potentially adds is a clear signal that this is a one term ticket. That has the potential to appeal to Republicans that want to dump Trump.

100% agree. That may be more appealing to a lot of people. Biden’s clean up crew to restore sanity and stability, and give America time to gear up for what 2024 will bring. That is a very confident and powerful political position that puts the country first. Country over party.

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Yes, for those who watched West Wing, Dodd is Leo to Biden's Bartlett. His voice/vote carries more weight than the others, so that is a major problem.

The problem I have with Harris is that she is a west coast generic Democrat which isn't that different from an east coast Democrat (e.g. Biden). Yes, she has very similar politics, but she also has very similar selling points as Biden. She adds NOTHING to his campaign in any of the swing states nor for any of the undecided voters either the Independents/moderates who are uncommitted or the voters who do not always vote. She does nothing to get out the vote and encourage new voters.

Biden needs to either pick someone that he has a close and solid relationship with, e.g. Rice. Or someone who adds voters to his ticket, e.g. Lujan Grisham, Duckworth, Lance Bottoms or Whitmer.

While I see that Dodd is promoting Bass, I'm not sure that she adds much either. She is another west cost generic Democrat. She does have a lot more support from the minority community in general, but I don't know that she adds anything in the swing states or with uncommitted voters either.



Bass has progressive credentials, which would add a key dimension to the ticket, and is unique in that she doesn't alienate establishment Dems who perceive her as reasonable and open to dialogue. Much like Biden, she's a pragmatist and is calm and immensely civil, attributes which could appeal in swing states. Importantly, a huge part of her career has been devoted to AA community concerns. I believe, other than Abrams, therefore she'd be the best positioned to help with AA enthusiasm and turnout. As George Will noted, she has expertise in health (was an emergency PA and USC instructor), as well as racial injustice and community activism. Some foreign policy cred (expertise in Africa that complements Biden's in Europe and Asia). Perfect for the moment and the most Obama-like in terms of the qualities Biden is looking for. I believe together they'd be the reassuring competence ticket. I'd be very happy with this.

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Anonymous wrote:If Dodd has that much clout it’s a wonder Warren is even still on any list. I think it’s not only Dodd but Biden’s sister and wife who have written Harris off as the one with a knife waiting to put it in his back.

Sometimes it's just politics. Warren remains on the list to appease progressives. Joes likes and respects her, but would not pick her for a number of reasons (definitely not simpatico in enough respects).

Anyone with eyes can see Harris is only out for herself. It would be stressful for Biden to have her as no. 2. Not to mention zero foreign policy experience. I'd be very very surprised if she is picked.

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They'll be weaponized against her anyway, but I think Bass addressed the Castro remarks well. So refreshing to hear a politician admit they made a mistake, and wouldn't do it again!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/karen-bass-castro-comment-vp-vetting-382316

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Anonymous wrote:If Dodd has that much clout it’s a wonder Warren is even still on any list. I think it’s not only Dodd but Biden’s sister and wife who have written Harris off as the one with a knife waiting to put it in his back.

Not only is there a trust issue, I just can't with Kamala's hypocrisy. She's all in on attacking Joe for a thirty-year-old policy, but refuses to address the problems in her AG record from five years ago.

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Bass has progressive credentials, which would add a key dimension to the ticket, and is unique in that she doesn't alienate establishment Dems who perceive her as reasonable and open to dialogue. Much like Biden, she's a pragmatist and is calm and immensely civil, attributes which could appeal in swing states. Importantly, a huge part of her career has been devoted to AA community concerns. I believe, other than Abrams, therefore she'd be the best positioned to help with AA enthusiasm and turnout. As George Will noted, she has expertise in health (was an emergency PA and USC instructor), as well as racial injustice and community activism. Some foreign policy cred (expertise in Africa that complements Biden's in Europe and Asia). Perfect for the moment and the most Obama-like in terms of the qualities Biden is looking for. I believe together they'd be the reassuring competence ticket. I'd be very happy with this.

Biden doesn't need to add another coastal Democrat with progressive credentials. He's already pandering to the progressives by adopting a number of Sanders and Warren platforms in his recently disclosed issue statements. He has shown that he is open to progressive policies and is stumping with them.

Now what he needs to do is pick a VP that will help with swing states and uncommitted voters. Harris, Warren and Bass do not help with either of those.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Dodd has that much clout it’s a wonder Warren is even still on any list. I think it’s not only Dodd but Biden’s sister and wife who have written Harris off as the one with a knife waiting to put it in his back.

Sometimes it's just politics. Warren remains on the list to appease progressives. Joes likes and respects her, but would not pick her for a number of reasons (definitely not simpatico in enough respects).

Anyone with eyes can see Harris is only out for herself. It would be stressful for Biden to have her as no. 2. Not to mention zero foreign policy experience. I'd be very very surprised if she is picked.

I want to play Devil's Advocate here. Joe has the foreign policy chops, he does not need a VP for that. I would argue that it is better he has a fiercely ambitious woman as his partner, for the precise reason that she is ready to take on the challenges that Biden would not be able to. A second fiddle will always be a second fiddle and will not rise to the occasion when the need arises. He needs a woman who can be a President in her own right and for that, he has to be able to deal with ambitious women like Harris and Abrams.

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It’s gonna be bass.

Biden thinks he is Obama while In reality he’s a Millard Fillmore - some Random place holder.

He thinks he deserves a servile vp.

I can’t wait until he has to step down or be carried out after he wins.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Dodd has that much clout it’s a wonder Warren is even still on any list. I think it’s not only Dodd but Biden’s sister and wife who have written Harris off as the one with a knife waiting to put it in his back.

Sometimes it's just politics. Warren remains on the list to appease progressives. Joes likes and respects her, but would not pick her for a number of reasons (definitely not simpatico in enough respects).

Anyone with eyes can see Harris is only out for herself. It would be stressful for Biden to have her as no. 2. Not to mention zero foreign policy experience. I'd be very very surprised if she is picked.

I want to play Devil's Advocate here. Joe has the foreign policy chops, he does not need a VP for that. I would argue that it is better he has a fiercely ambitious woman as his partner, for the precise reason that she is ready to take on the challenges that Biden would not be able to. A second fiddle will always be a second fiddle and will not rise to the occasion when the need arises. He needs a woman who can be a President in her own right and for that, he has to be able to deal with ambitious women like Harris and Abrams.

Biden doesn’t have foreign policy chops.

He has a Rolodex.

He’s been wrong on every major foreign policy debate for 30+ years.

He knows faces and slaps backs...those are his skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They'll be weaponized against her anyway, but I think Bass addressed the Castro remarks well. So refreshing to hear a politician admit they made a mistake, and wouldn't do it again!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/karen-bass-castro-comment-vp-vetting-382316

Agree. I also don’t think she would be so easily dismissed as others are suggesting. To me, it seems Bass or Whitmer. Really like the appeal of a potential 1-term ticket. Kamala could position herself for 2024. Why wouldn’t she? Serving on his cabinet supports loyalty and she can add in a mea culpa for the past 5 years depending on how she fares in the next 4. I suspect her platform would be very far reaching given the civil issues front and center. This gives everyone a chance to build their case for 2024 consideration in a constructive way. Mayor Pete, Abrams, Demings, Harris, Duckworth can all strengthen their platform while real work gets done behind the scenes with a low key expert that can work across the aisles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They'll be weaponized against her anyway, but I think Bass addressed the Castro remarks well. So refreshing to hear a politician admit they made a mistake, and wouldn't do it again!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/karen-bass-castro-comment-vp-vetting-382316

Agree. I also don’t think she would be so easily dismissed as others are suggesting. To me, it seems Bass or Whitmer. Really like the appeal of a potential 1-term ticket. Kamala could position herself for 2024. Why wouldn’t she? Serving on his cabinet supports loyalty and she can add in a mea culpa for the past 5 years depending on how she fares in the next 4. I suspect her platform would be very far reaching given the civil issues front and center. This gives everyone a chance to build their case for 2024 consideration in a constructive way. Mayor Pete, Abrams, Demings, Harris, Duckworth can all strengthen their platform while real work gets done behind the scenes with a low key expert that can work across the aisles (Bass).

ETA^