US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

Fiona Hill has vomited up a horrible piece of fear porn. I have no idea who she is and care less about her "expertise", this "interview" was a shoddy propaganda piece, but it's also dangerous. She is irresponsible for inciting panic in general population, completely uneducated and uninformed on this topic, many of whom don't give a flying rat's ass about Ukraine beyond feeling sorry for the refugees. The entire purpose of this shoddy article is to paralyze our population with fear. She is literally telling people that it's for sure that Putin is trying to expand his "empire" and won't stop with Ukraine and we should expect he might drop some bombs in the process, cause.. he is capable and it's not beyond him. Dumbasses like you need to grow up, how old are you? And if you are a grown up, time to "enlist" into the AA and stop drinking that vodka all day long.

“I have no idea who she is…” you should have stopped there and saved yourself the embarrassment.

+1. She is a clear voice of reason and truth. Sorry if that upsets people.

It's very reasonable for her to be dishing out fear propaganda Even Biden had to explicitly assure Americans that there won't be a nuclear war, why is that?

It's expected that Biden would say that; it's the job of any leader under the current, extremely volatile, circumstances.

Here is how we can make it less volatile: send humanitarian aid, help Ukranians get out who want to get out and take our share of refugees. If EU wants Ukraine to join them, their business, they can do this in a manner that is economical and not military related, they can give all Ukrainians EU passports and freedom of movement even if Russia installs their puppet government there.

it doesn't mean we have to go fight a war with nukes for them. Anything where regular Americans start worrying about the poisons raining on them and their kids and having their sons sacrificed to this war will deepen the rift we already have in this country and can intice a war here, which will be devastating already even if Putin does nothing. There is no way to "win" this. Just keep the peace until Putin expires or someone assasinates him or until Russians rise up themselves. We have no business fighting, all we can do is help rescue people who can be rescued. And those who cannot, didn't we just throw entire Afganistan to the proverbial wolves and none of you had issue with it?

Ukraine is 45M people, who is going to absorb all these immigrants? Do any of you understand the implications of such destabilizing ongoing conflict right in the heart of Europe?

Putin will never be able to install a puppet government, the best he can do is carve out a few pieces and the conflict will rage on and eventually spread. What do you think will happen to these increasingly impoverished and unstable countries due to Russia's involvement? This is very bad news for Europe. They will probably sacrifice Ukraine in the short term and try to strengthen their own defenses, but long term it would end up being a very bad decision.

Why don't you care about millions still living in refugee camps all over the world? What about the failed democracies, the countries we got involved with and then abandoned, what about their people and their regions forever set on fire? And how long do you think Putin has to live and rule? Another decade? Let Europe and Ukraine and Russia negotiate like they are planning to and stop war mongering bullshit here, it just fuels anxiety in regular apolitical people like myself. No, I am not embarassed that I don't know who Fiona Hill is, I cared less until now, like vast majority of regular people. At least I can find these countries on the map, google some history, and at least I can tell an idiot posting here that Russia does indeed have a port in the Baltic Sea. You can even google it, before embarassing yourself

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We use the oil because of the cost. Cost goes up, other options work. The supply is there. Yes we should have a total ban on any Russian oil. Now. And it should not go back if Putin remains in power.

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

Fiona Hill has vomited up a horrible piece of fear porn. I have no idea who she is and care less about her "expertise", this "interview" was a shoddy propaganda piece, but it's also dangerous. She is irresponsible for inciting panic in general population, completely uneducated and uninformed on this topic, many of whom don't give a flying rat's ass about Ukraine beyond feeling sorry for the refugees. The entire purpose of this shoddy article is to paralyze our population with fear. She is literally telling people that it's for sure that Putin is trying to expand his "empire" and won't stop with Ukraine and we should expect he might drop some bombs in the process, cause.. he is capable and it's not beyond him. Dumbasses like you need to grow up, how old are you? And if you are a grown up, time to "enlist" into the AA and stop drinking that vodka all day long.

“I have no idea who she is…” you should have stopped there and saved yourself the embarrassment.

+1. She is a clear voice of reason and truth. Sorry if that upsets people.

It's very reasonable for her to be dishing out fear propaganda Even Biden had to explicitly assure Americans that there won't be a nuclear war, why is that?

It's expected that Biden would say that; it's the job of any leader under the current, extremely volatile, circumstances.

Here is how we can make it less volatile: send humanitarian aid, help Ukranians get out who want to get out and take our share of refugees. If EU wants Ukraine to join them, their business, they can do this in a manner that is economical and not military related, they can give all Ukrainians EU passports and freedom of movement even if Russia installs their puppet government there.

it doesn't mean we have to go fight a war with nukes for them. Anything where regular Americans start worrying about the poisons raining on them and their kids and having their sons sacrificed to this war will deepen the rift we already have in this country and can intice a war here, which will be devastating already even if Putin does nothing. There is no way to "win" this. Just keep the peace until Putin expires or someone assasinates him or until Russians rise up themselves. We have no business fighting, all we can do is help rescue people who can be rescued. And those who cannot, didn't we just throw entire Afganistan to the proverbial wolves and none of you had issue with it?

Ukraine is 45M people, who is going to absorb all these immigrants? Do any of you understand the implications of such destabilizing ongoing conflict right in the heart of Europe?

Putin will never be able to install a puppet government, the best he can do is carve out a few pieces and the conflict will rage on and eventually spread. What do you think will happen to these increasingly impoverished and unstable countries due to Russia's involvement? This is very bad news for Europe. They will probably sacrifice Ukraine in the short term and try to strengthen their own defenses, but long term it would end up being a very bad decision.

Why don't you care about millions still living in refugee camps all over the world? What about the failed democracies, the countries we got involved with and then abandoned, what about their people and their regions forever set on fire? And how long do you think Putin has to live and rule? Another decade? Let Europe and Ukraine and Russia negotiate like they are planning to and stop war mongering bullshit here, it just fuels anxiety in regular apolitical people like myself. No, I am not embarassed that I don't know who Fiona Hill is, I cared less until now, like vast majority of regular people. At least I can find these countries on the map, google some history, and at least I can tell an idiot posting here that Russia does indeed have a port in the Baltic Sea. You can even google it, before embarassing yourself

You are a lost soul. apolitical? Every country needs sheep I guess. Europe's natural state is war. Almost more so than other places in the world. Since 1945 there has been no major wars or wars that could not be contained. Why? Pax Americana. We ensure the peace. We do for much of the rest of the world as well. It brings us great benefits that even flow to you in your apolitical world. You should care. We likely will be in this war. We also likely have a shooting war with China coming up. Maybe you should pay attention.

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There is a poster on here who appears very naive. The “negotiations” are just a PR excercise for Russia. When you negotiate in earnest you ceasefire, chose a neutral location and send senior figures.

I sure hope there is country ( Israel maybe?) that is serving as go between behind the scenes. The official negotiations are a sham.

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Anonymous wrote:If I had to guess, I’d say at least 60% of American armed forces and 99% of fighter pilots and bombers would love to kick some Russian ass this very second in Ukraine.

After all the sh#t they dealt with in Iraq and Afghanistan, let them save Europe. They’ll be heroes to hundreds of millions who yearn to be free.

I hope if they decide to go they take you with them

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

Fiona Hill has vomited up a horrible piece of fear porn. I have no idea who she is and care less about her "expertise", this "interview" was a shoddy propaganda piece, but it's also dangerous. She is irresponsible for inciting panic in general population, completely uneducated and uninformed on this topic, many of whom don't give a flying rat's ass about Ukraine beyond feeling sorry for the refugees. The entire purpose of this shoddy article is to paralyze our population with fear. She is literally telling people that it's for sure that Putin is trying to expand his "empire" and won't stop with Ukraine and we should expect he might drop some bombs in the process, cause.. he is capable and it's not beyond him. Dumbasses like you need to grow up, how old are you? And if you are a grown up, time to "enlist" into the AA and stop drinking that vodka all day long.

“I have no idea who she is…” you should have stopped there and saved yourself the embarrassment.

+1. She is a clear voice of reason and truth. Sorry if that upsets people.

It's very reasonable for her to be dishing out fear propaganda Even Biden had to explicitly assure Americans that there won't be a nuclear war, why is that?

It's expected that Biden would say that; it's the job of any leader under the current, extremely volatile, circumstances.

Here is how we can make it less volatile: send humanitarian aid, help Ukranians get out who want to get out and take our share of refugees. If EU wants Ukraine to join them, their business, they can do this in a manner that is economical and not military related, they can give all Ukrainians EU passports and freedom of movement even if Russia installs their puppet government there.

it doesn't mean we have to go fight a war with nukes for them. Anything where regular Americans start worrying about the poisons raining on them and their kids and having their sons sacrificed to this war will deepen the rift we already have in this country and can intice a war here, which will be devastating already even if Putin does nothing. There is no way to "win" this. Just keep the peace until Putin expires or someone assasinates him or until Russians rise up themselves. We have no business fighting, all we can do is help rescue people who can be rescued. And those who cannot, didn't we just throw entire Afganistan to the proverbial wolves and none of you had issue with it?

Ukraine is 45M people, who is going to absorb all these immigrants? Do any of you understand the implications of such destabilizing ongoing conflict right in the heart of Europe?

Putin will never be able to install a puppet government, the best he can do is carve out a few pieces and the conflict will rage on and eventually spread. What do you think will happen to these increasingly impoverished and unstable countries due to Russia's involvement? This is very bad news for Europe. They will probably sacrifice Ukraine in the short term and try to strengthen their own defenses, but long term it would end up being a very bad decision.

Why don't you care about millions still living in refugee camps all over the world? What about the failed democracies, the countries we got involved with and then abandoned, what about their people and their regions forever set on fire? And how long do you think Putin has to live and rule? Another decade? Let Europe and Ukraine and Russia negotiate like they are planning to and stop war mongering bullshit here, it just fuels anxiety in regular apolitical people like myself. No, I am not embarassed that I don't know who Fiona Hill is, I cared less until now, like vast majority of regular people. At least I can find these countries on the map, google some history, and at least I can tell an idiot posting here that Russia does indeed have a port in the Baltic Sea. You can even google it, before embarassing yourself

You are a lost soul. apolitical? Every country needs sheep I guess. Europe's natural state is war. Almost more so than other places in the world. Since 1945 there has been no major wars or wars that could not be contained. Why? Pax Americana. We ensure the peace. We do for much of the rest of the world as well. It brings us great benefits that even flow to you in your apolitical world. You should care. We likely will be in this war. We also likely have a shooting war with China coming up. Maybe you should pay attention.

I heard Ukraine is taking volunteer fighters, did you already sign up? Need some help with the airline ticket?

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Brazil, Mexico, India, Israel, China refuse to sanction Russia.

Interesting

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Anonymous wrote:Even though Russia supplies 8% of the oil used in the United States, it accounts for 50% in New England. The LWNJ in New England are important and why Joe doesn't want to shutdown the energy.

Oh no! What will we do? I guess you think we should surrender. I bet you will be first in line volunteering for the Vichy government. I heard you people in Texas have asked for Russian peace keepers …for the new country of Texas.

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Is there any doubt Rudy busted up the Italian mob only to make room for the Russians to fill the void?

Just want to pause here and admire the creative vulgarity. Some swears are so overused and boring. This person shows some originality, and applies it to a deserving target.
Well done.

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Anonymous wrote:Brazil, Mexico, India, Israel, China refuse to sanction Russia.

Interesting

The dictators club, quelle surprise!

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Anonymous wrote:Even though Russia supplies 8% of the oil used in the United States, it accounts for 50% in New England. The LWNJ in New England are important and why Joe doesn't want to shutdown the energy.

Lol. It's super easy for us to replace that with Canadian since it's the same type of oil.

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

Fiona Hill has vomited up a horrible piece of fear porn. I have no idea who she is and care less about her "expertise", this "interview" was a shoddy propaganda piece, but it's also dangerous. She is irresponsible for inciting panic in general population, completely uneducated and uninformed on this topic, many of whom don't give a flying rat's ass about Ukraine beyond feeling sorry for the refugees. The entire purpose of this shoddy article is to paralyze our population with fear. She is literally telling people that it's for sure that Putin is trying to expand his "empire" and won't stop with Ukraine and we should expect he might drop some bombs in the process, cause.. he is capable and it's not beyond him. Dumbasses like you need to grow up, how old are you? And if you are a grown up, time to "enlist" into the AA and stop drinking that vodka all day long.

“I have no idea who she is…” you should have stopped there and saved yourself the embarrassment.

+1. She is a clear voice of reason and truth. Sorry if that upsets people.

It's very reasonable for her to be dishing out fear propaganda Even Biden had to explicitly assure Americans that there won't be a nuclear war, why is that?

It's expected that Biden would say that; it's the job of any leader under the current, extremely volatile, circumstances.

Here is how we can make it less volatile: send humanitarian aid, help Ukranians get out who want to get out and take our share of refugees. If EU wants Ukraine to join them, their business, they can do this in a manner that is economical and not military related, they can give all Ukrainians EU passports and freedom of movement even if Russia installs their puppet government there.

it doesn't mean we have to go fight a war with nukes for them. Anything where regular Americans start worrying about the poisons raining on them and their kids and having their sons sacrificed to this war will deepen the rift we already have in this country and can intice a war here, which will be devastating already even if Putin does nothing. There is no way to "win" this. Just keep the peace until Putin expires or someone assasinates him or until Russians rise up themselves. We have no business fighting, all we can do is help rescue people who can be rescued. And those who cannot, didn't we just throw entire Afganistan to the proverbial wolves and none of you had issue with it?

Ukraine is 45M people, who is going to absorb all these immigrants? Do any of you understand the implications of such destabilizing ongoing conflict right in the heart of Europe?

Putin will never be able to install a puppet government, the best he can do is carve out a few pieces and the conflict will rage on and eventually spread. What do you think will happen to these increasingly impoverished and unstable countries due to Russia's involvement? This is very bad news for Europe. They will probably sacrifice Ukraine in the short term and try to strengthen their own defenses, but long term it would end up being a very bad decision.

Why don't you care about millions still living in refugee camps all over the world? What about the failed democracies, the countries we got involved with and then abandoned, what about their people and their regions forever set on fire? And how long do you think Putin has to live and rule? Another decade? Let Europe and Ukraine and Russia negotiate like they are planning to and stop war mongering bullshit here, it just fuels anxiety in regular apolitical people like myself. No, I am not embarassed that I don't know who Fiona Hill is, I cared less until now, like vast majority of regular people. At least I can find these countries on the map, google some history, and at least I can tell an idiot posting here that Russia does indeed have a port in the Baltic Sea. You can even google it, before embarassing yourself

You are a lost soul. apolitical? Every country needs sheep I guess. Europe's natural state is war. Almost more so than other places in the world. Since 1945 there has been no major wars or wars that could not be contained. Why? Pax Americana. We ensure the peace. We do for much of the rest of the world as well. It brings us great benefits that even flow to you in your apolitical world. You should care. We likely will be in this war. We also likely have a shooting war with China coming up. Maybe you should pay attention.

I heard Ukraine is taking volunteer fighters, did you already sign up? Need some help with the airline ticket?

I hear the Russians are taking volunteers…something about a convoy. Bet you are all in on that! Don’t worry you do not need a truck just a copy of your resume….no just joking you just need to show up. Oh wait that is a bridge too far for you.

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I heard Ukraine is taking volunteer fighters, did you already sign up? Need some help with the airline ticket?

I doubt you heard that. Ukraine has been saying they DON’T want more bodies. They want lethal aid. They want to fight for themselves. They need supplies.

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Anonymous wrote:Brazil, Mexico, India, Israel, China refuse to sanction Russia.

Interesting

Xi must be clapping in glee. Putin is handing him Russia on a silver platter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even though Russia supplies 8% of the oil used in the United States, it accounts for 50% in New England. The LWNJ in New England are important and why Joe doesn't want to shutdown the energy.

Source?