US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

The only smart person in this entire stupid thread. Amen.

If our administration as much as exercises an idea of a full blown war with Russia because NATO may drag us into it, there will be a civil war in the USA, beause majority of Americans deep down inside don't really care to risk potential nuclear/chemical/bio/cyber or whatever devastating disaster to go fight for the independence of some country they can't even find on the map, because "democracy".

Most Americans can barely find Canada on a map. Nevertheless most Americans still support and believe in NATO.

Most Americans couldn't tell you what NATO stands for or what it's meant to do.

That is true BUT they still support it overwhelmingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Brazil, Mexico, India, Israel, China refuse to sanction Russia.

Interesting

Yad Vashem and chief rabbi of Israel plea for US to not sanction Roman Abramovich. Meanwhile, two days later the Russians bomb the holocaust memorial in Kyiv.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/yad-vashem-chief-rabbi-urged-us-not-to-sanction-roman-abramovich-report/amp/

You can’t make this sh#t up. What a bunch of schnorrer grifters

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Anonymous wrote:Brazil, Mexico, India, Israel, China refuse to sanction Russia.

Interesting

Xi must be clapping in glee. Putin is handing him Russia on a silver platter.

Seriously. All them resources belong to China now. [Winne the Pooh doing a Montgomery Burns impression] Excellent.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

The only smart person in this entire stupid thread. Amen.

If our administration as much as exercises an idea of a full blown war with Russia because NATO may drag us into it, there will be a civil war in the USA, beause majority of Americans deep down inside don't really care to risk potential nuclear/chemical/bio/cyber or whatever devastating disaster to go fight for the independence of some country they can't even find on the map, because "democracy".

Most Americans can barely find Canada on a map. Nevertheless most Americans still support and believe in NATO.

Most Americans couldn't tell you what NATO stands for or what it's meant to do.

That is true BUT they still support it overwhelmingly.

There are a bunch of Trumpniks who don’t.

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Is there any doubt Rudy busted up the Italian mob only to make room for the Russians to fill the void?

Just want to pause here and admire the creative vulgarity. Some swears are so overused and boring. This person shows some originality, and applies it to a deserving target.
Well done.

Can’t we send Rudy over there? I am just not sure which side we should give him to? Maybe the Russians where he can sow dissent and defeatism.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

The only smart person in this entire stupid thread. Amen.

If our administration as much as exercises an idea of a full blown war with Russia because NATO may drag us into it, there will be a civil war in the USA, beause majority of Americans deep down inside don't really care to risk potential nuclear/chemical/bio/cyber or whatever devastating disaster to go fight for the independence of some country they can't even find on the map, because "democracy".

Most Americans can barely find Canada on a map. Nevertheless most Americans still support and believe in NATO.

Most Americans couldn't tell you what NATO stands for or what it's meant to do.

That is true BUT they still support it overwhelmingly.

There are a bunch of Trumpniks who don’t.

Not as many as you think. It's hard to overcome generations of long held belief.

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Is there any doubt Rudy busted up the Italian mob only to make room for the Russians to fill the void?

Just want to pause here and admire the creative vulgarity. Some swears are so overused and boring. This person shows some originality, and applies it to a deserving target.
Well done.

Can’t we send Rudy over there? I am just not sure which side we should give him to? Maybe the Russians where he can sow dissent and defeatism.

We did send Rudy over there. He tried to extort Zelensky and get our ambassador assassinated.

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Anonymous wrote:

Is there any doubt Rudy busted up the Italian mob only to make room for the Russians to fill the void?

Just want to pause here and admire the creative vulgarity. Some swears are so overused and boring. This person shows some originality, and applies it to a deserving target.
Well done.

Can’t we send Rudy over there? I am just not sure which side we should give him to? Maybe the Russians where he can sow dissent and defeatism.

We did send Rudy over there. He tried to extort Zelensky and get our ambassador assassinated.

Yep should have sent him to the Russians!

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

Fiona Hill has vomited up a horrible piece of fear porn. I have no idea who she is and care less about her "expertise", this "interview" was a shoddy propaganda piece, but it's also dangerous. She is irresponsible for inciting panic in general population, completely uneducated and uninformed on this topic, many of whom don't give a flying rat's ass about Ukraine beyond feeling sorry for the refugees. The entire purpose of this shoddy article is to paralyze our population with fear. She is literally telling people that it's for sure that Putin is trying to expand his "empire" and won't stop with Ukraine and we should expect he might drop some bombs in the process, cause.. he is capable and it's not beyond him. Dumbasses like you need to grow up, how old are you? And if you are a grown up, time to "enlist" into the AA and stop drinking that vodka all day long.

“I have no idea who she is…” you should have stopped there and saved yourself the embarrassment.

+1. She is a clear voice of reason and truth. Sorry if that upsets people.

It's very reasonable for her to be dishing out fear propaganda Even Biden had to explicitly assure Americans that there won't be a nuclear war, why is that?

It's expected that Biden would say that; it's the job of any leader under the current, extremely volatile, circumstances.

Here is how we can make it less volatile: send humanitarian aid, help Ukranians get out who want to get out and take our share of refugees. If EU wants Ukraine to join them, their business, they can do this in a manner that is economical and not military related, they can give all Ukrainians EU passports and freedom of movement even if Russia installs their puppet government there.

it doesn't mean we have to go fight a war with nukes for them. Anything where regular Americans start worrying about the poisons raining on them and their kids and having their sons sacrificed to this war will deepen the rift we already have in this country and can intice a war here, which will be devastating already even if Putin does nothing. There is no way to "win" this. Just keep the peace until Putin expires or someone assasinates him or until Russians rise up themselves. We have no business fighting, all we can do is help rescue people who can be rescued. And those who cannot, didn't we just throw entire Afganistan to the proverbial wolves and none of you had issue with it?

We didn’t just throw afghans to the wolves. We stayed for 20 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Is there any doubt Rudy busted up the Italian mob only to make room for the Russians to fill the void?

Just want to pause here and admire the creative vulgarity. Some swears are so overused and boring. This person shows some originality, and applies it to a deserving target.
Well done.

Totally agree. BTW that person is David Simon, creator of The Wire.

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Very heart wrenching.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

No one wants their lives upended. But it's happening. This is how the world has turned for hundreds of years.
If you're an adult now, you've already lived one of the most privileged lives of anyone in history. Be grateful for that and buckle up.

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What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

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Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

Moldova isn’t in nato either.

You can paradrop into Chișinău and traninistria with an ar15 if you wish