US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

Fiona Hill has vomited up a horrible piece of fear porn. I have no idea who she is and care less about her "expertise", this "interview" was a shoddy propaganda piece, but it's also dangerous. She is irresponsible for inciting panic in general population, completely uneducated and uninformed on this topic, many of whom don't give a flying rat's ass about Ukraine beyond feeling sorry for the refugees. The entire purpose of this shoddy article is to paralyze our population with fear. She is literally telling people that it's for sure that Putin is trying to expand his "empire" and won't stop with Ukraine and we should expect he might drop some bombs in the process, cause.. he is capable and it's not beyond him. Dumbasses like you need to grow up, how old are you? And if you are a grown up, time to "enlist" into the AA and stop drinking that vodka all day long.

“I have no idea who she is…” you should have stopped there and saved yourself the embarrassment.

+1. She is a clear voice of reason and truth. Sorry if that upsets people.

It's very reasonable for her to be dishing out fear propaganda Even Biden had to explicitly assure Americans that there won't be a nuclear war, why is that?

It's expected that Biden would say that; it's the job of any leader under the current, extremely volatile, circumstances.

Here is how we can make it less volatile: send humanitarian aid, help Ukranians get out who want to get out and take our share of refugees. If EU wants Ukraine to join them, their business, they can do this in a manner that is economical and not military related, they can give all Ukrainians EU passports and freedom of movement even if Russia installs their puppet government there.

it doesn't mean we have to go fight a war with nukes for them. Anything where regular Americans start worrying about the poisons raining on them and their kids and having their sons sacrificed to this war will deepen the rift we already have in this country and can intice a war here, which will be devastating already even if Putin does nothing. There is no way to "win" this. Just keep the peace until Putin expires or someone assasinates him or until Russians rise up themselves. We have no business fighting, all we can do is help rescue people who can be rescued. And those who cannot, didn't we just throw entire Afganistan to the proverbial wolves and none of you had issue with it?

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I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.


Enjoy your upcoming nuclear winter.

A nuclear winter that wouldn’t happen if the US and Western Europe didn’t go sticking their noses into a conflict they have no place in and cannot control. The time to do something was before Putin invaded. Having failed to stop him, we need to eat this loss and keep it moving. Anyone who thinks the way to avoid a nuclear war is to attack a country that will not hesitate to use nukes is a damn fool and should be sent to the frontlines to die first.


Putin did this. We didn't. This is the exact same appeasement argument that was made in 1939. Some things are worth fighting for.

Hitler didn’t have nukes, you dumbo.


So if Hitler had nukes we should have just given him the world? That doesnt make sense


YOu have proof that Putin wants "the world"?


He's explicitly threatened Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria in the past two weeks and stated repeatedly that the West is the enemy that needs to be destroyed. He's also taken control of parts of Moldova, Georgia, Armenia as well as Belarus and Kazakhstan. Only a fool would think that Ukraine is his only goal.

Yep. Remember when Trump (and that RT shill Tucker Carlson) floated the balloon that the Baltics weren't entitled to a full NATO defense, even though they are NATO members? That's because if Putin succeeds in Ukraine, then the Baltics are next in order for Russia to regain control over the Baltic port cities.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

Exactly. I don't know who these outraged innocents are, but it's time to read up on some history, and become appropriately realist.

Anyone who has read any history or pays attention to the mad dictators of the world, has a very good idea where this is going. It's only a question of time.

Except of a simple fact that no mad dictator in history had nuclear and other more sinister weapons of mass destruction and we never were reckless to seek full blown conflict with them. This point had been brought up here on multiple occasions

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

The only smart person in this entire stupid thread. Amen.

If our administration as much as exercises an idea of a full blown war with Russia because NATO may drag us into it, there will be a civil war in the USA, beause majority of Americans deep down inside don't really care to risk potential nuclear/chemical/bio/cyber or whatever devastating disaster to go fight for the independence of some country they can't even find on the map, because "democracy".

If Americans are fighting, it won’t be for Ukraine. It will be against Russia.

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I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.


Enjoy your upcoming nuclear winter.

A nuclear winter that wouldn’t happen if the US and Western Europe didn’t go sticking their noses into a conflict they have no place in and cannot control. The time to do something was before Putin invaded. Having failed to stop him, we need to eat this loss and keep it moving. Anyone who thinks the way to avoid a nuclear war is to attack a country that will not hesitate to use nukes is a damn fool and should be sent to the frontlines to die first.


Putin did this. We didn't. This is the exact same appeasement argument that was made in 1939. Some things are worth fighting for.

Hitler didn’t have nukes, you dumbo.


So if Hitler had nukes we should have just given him the world? That doesnt make sense


YOu have proof that Putin wants "the world"?


He's explicitly threatened Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria in the past two weeks and stated repeatedly that the West is the enemy that needs to be destroyed. He's also taken control of parts of Moldova, Georgia, Armenia as well as Belarus and Kazakhstan. Only a fool would think that Ukraine is his only goal.

Yep. Remember when Trump (and that RT shill Tucker Carlson) floated the balloon that the Baltics weren't entitled to a full NATO defense, even though they are NATO members? That's because if Putin succeeds in Ukraine, then the Baltics are next in order for Russia to regain control over the Baltic port cities.

Russia already has a major port in the Baltic. Look at the fu**ing map

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

Exactly. I don't know who these outraged innocents are, but it's time to read up on some history, and become appropriately realist.

Anyone who has read any history or pays attention to the mad dictators of the world, has a very good idea where this is going. It's only a question of time.

Except of a simple fact that no mad dictator in history had nuclear and other more sinister weapons of mass destruction and we never were reckless to seek full blown conflict with them. This point had been brought up here on multiple occasions

You are confused. We aren’t the ones seeking conflict.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Enjoy your upcoming nuclear winter.

A nuclear winter that wouldn’t happen if the US and Western Europe didn’t go sticking their noses into a conflict they have no place in and cannot control. The time to do something was before Putin invaded. Having failed to stop him, we need to eat this loss and keep it moving. Anyone who thinks the way to avoid a nuclear war is to attack a country that will not hesitate to use nukes is a damn fool and should be sent to the frontlines to die first.

Putin did this. We didn't. This is the exact same appeasement argument that was made in 1939. Some things are worth fighting for.

Hitler didn’t have nukes, you dumbo.

So if Hitler had nukes we should have just given him the world? That doesnt make sense

YOu have proof that Putin wants "the world"?

He's explicitly threatened Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria in the past two weeks and stated repeatedly that the West is the enemy that needs to be destroyed. He's also taken control of parts of Moldova, Georgia, Armenia as well as Belarus and Kazakhstan. Only a fool would think that Ukraine is his only goal.

Putin has been very transparent and methodical since 2004. He has a track record. But he created this persona of a smart, shrewd, tough statesman and Westerners fell for it. Many people here think we are dealing with that persona and refuse to see the real Putin as defined by his track record.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

Exactly. I don't know who these outraged innocents are, but it's time to read up on some history, and become appropriately realist.

Anyone who has read any history or pays attention to the mad dictators of the world, has a very good idea where this is going. It's only a question of time.

Except of a simple fact that no mad dictator in history had nuclear and other more sinister weapons of mass destruction and we never were reckless to seek full blown conflict with them. This point had been brought up here on multiple occasions

You are confused. We aren’t the ones seeking conflict.

The idiots in this thread are, they hope we join the f**king war and save Ukraine because it's the only place worth saving, throw everyone else to the wolves. They think Putin will take over the entire world and Ukraine is the world's only savior-gatekeeper. They think the world is f**ing Lord of the Rings these idiots cannot even find half of these countries Putin will *definitely* invade on the map

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

The only smart person in this entire stupid thread. Amen.

If our administration as much as exercises an idea of a full blown war with Russia because NATO may drag us into it, there will be a civil war in the USA, beause majority of Americans deep down inside don't really care to risk potential nuclear/chemical/bio/cyber or whatever devastating disaster to go fight for the independence of some country they can't even find on the map, because "democracy".

Most Americans can barely find Canada on a map. Nevertheless most Americans still support and believe in NATO.

Most Americans couldn't tell you what NATO stands for or what it's meant to do.

But they do like pizza!

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

Fiona Hill has vomited up a horrible piece of fear porn. I have no idea who she is and care less about her "expertise", this "interview" was a shoddy propaganda piece, but it's also dangerous. She is irresponsible for inciting panic in general population, completely uneducated and uninformed on this topic, many of whom don't give a flying rat's ass about Ukraine beyond feeling sorry for the refugees. The entire purpose of this shoddy article is to paralyze our population with fear. She is literally telling people that it's for sure that Putin is trying to expand his "empire" and won't stop with Ukraine and we should expect he might drop some bombs in the process, cause.. he is capable and it's not beyond him. Dumbasses like you need to grow up, how old are you? And if you are a grown up, time to "enlist" into the AA and stop drinking that vodka all day long.

“I have no idea who she is…” you should have stopped there and saved yourself the embarrassment.

+1. She is a clear voice of reason and truth. Sorry if that upsets people.

It's very reasonable for her to be dishing out fear propaganda Even Biden had to explicitly assure Americans that there won't be a nuclear war, why is that?

It's expected that Biden would say that; it's the job of any leader under the current, extremely volatile, circumstances.

Here is how we can make it less volatile: send humanitarian aid, help Ukranians get out who want to get out and take our share of refugees. If EU wants Ukraine to join them, their business, they can do this in a manner that is economical and not military related, they can give all Ukrainians EU passports and freedom of movement even if Russia installs their puppet government there.

it doesn't mean we have to go fight a war with nukes for them. Anything where regular Americans start worrying about the poisons raining on them and their kids and having their sons sacrificed to this war will deepen the rift we already have in this country and can intice a war here, which will be devastating already even if Putin does nothing. There is no way to "win" this. Just keep the peace until Putin expires or someone assasinates him or until Russians rise up themselves. We have no business fighting, all we can do is help rescue people who can be rescued. And those who cannot, didn't we just throw entire Afganistan to the proverbial wolves and none of you had issue with it?

Ukraine is 45M people, who is going to absorb all these immigrants? Do any of you understand the implications of such destabilizing ongoing conflict right in the heart of Europe?

Putin will never be able to install a puppet government, the best he can do is carve out a few pieces and the conflict will rage on and eventually spread. What do you think will happen to these increasingly impoverished and unstable countries due to Russia's involvement? This is very bad news for Europe. They will probably sacrifice Ukraine in the short term and try to strengthen their own defenses, but long term it would end up being a very bad decision.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

The only smart person in this entire stupid thread. Amen.

If our administration as much as exercises an idea of a full blown war with Russia because NATO may drag us into it, there will be a civil war in the USA, beause majority of Americans deep down inside don't really care to risk potential nuclear/chemical/bio/cyber or whatever devastating disaster to go fight for the independence of some country they can't even find on the map, because "democracy".

If Americans are fighting, it won’t be for Ukraine. It will be against Russia.

It will be against EACH OTHER, dumbass, because majority of Americans care less to go to war with Russia or China or other nuclear powers where we collectively wipe millions of our citizens off the map and turn our cities into wastelands.

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Mexico refused to go along with Russian sanctions.

Kick them out of nafta.

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If I had to guess, I’d say at least 60% of American armed forces and 99% of fighter pilots and bombers would love to kick some Russian ass this very second in Ukraine.

After all the sh#t they dealt with in Iraq and Afghanistan, let them save Europe. They’ll be heroes to hundreds of millions who yearn to be free.

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Even though Russia supplies 8% of the oil used in the United States, it accounts for 50% in New England. The LWNJ in New England are important and why Joe doesn't want to shutdown the energy.