I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008

[Anonymous]

Also, DEI won’t piss off 85% of the electorate. Polling has shown that half or more than half of Americans support DEI hiring and DEI training.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

Omg how are people this clueless

Removing advanced classes in the name of equity
Keeping schools closed down for years due to COVID when many schools remained open the entire time with no issues
Forcing kids to be schooled with students who disruptive and bullying
Removing teaching techniques that work and replacing them with half-baked nonsense

What are you taking about?

My kid took plenty of AP and DE classes.
They excelled in online classes during COVID.
They were never bullied.
They never complained about the teaching techniques and graduated with a gpa close to 4.2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, DEI won’t piss off 85% of the electorate. Polling has shown that half or more than half of Americans support DEI hiring and DEI training.

The devil is in the details - most people support fairness in hiring, college admissions, etc. and oppose discrimination. Opposition to discrimination, for most people, does not mean favoring minorities over non-minorities simply because of their minority status. It all depends on how questions around DEI are framed. Most DEI policies explicitly gave preference to minorities, which is of course discrimination against all others, to redress "past discrimination" due to long-past overt discriminatory practices not experienced by anyone presently alive today. Most voters saw through DEI for what it was - discrimination based favoring certain skin colors.

Trying to bring back an emphasis on DEI to putatively promote "fairness" and "equity" will not resonate at all with most of the electorate, who see it for blatant discrimination dressed up in noble-sounding but morally bankrupt language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

And sadly MAGA is still completely enamored with the false mythology of DEI being about hiring or promoting less qualified gay black midget muslim amputees over the vastly and supremely more qualified white males and thereby screwing over the poor white male victims.

It isn't.

[Anonymous]

The cluelessness from the dem defenders is the essence of the issue with democrats. They live in Privileged bubble and do not relate to most people.

I guess their egos are too fat and hungry to acknowledge that the majority of the voting populace doesn’t buy what they are selling.

All dems have to do is change what they are peddling. I’ll wager that they won’t do this and just dig their heels in harder. Because they can never admit their mistakes, like a toddler.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

Omg how are people this clueless

Removing advanced classes in the name of equity
Keeping schools closed down for years due to COVID when many schools remained open the entire time with no issues
Forcing kids to be schooled with students who disruptive and bullying
Removing teaching techniques that work and replacing them with half-baked nonsense

What are you taking about?

My kid took plenty of AP and DE classes.
They excelled in online classes during COVID.
They were never bullied.
They never complained about the teaching techniques and graduated with a gpa close to 4.2.

Online schooling was a disaster for many kids, especially early elementary. Many kids can’t read or their parents were forced to get tutors because of the move away from phonics instruction to the Lucy Caulkins cueing system. Perhaps your school wasn’t impacted by the push away from higher level classes in the name of equity, but some are.

It’s great that your kids didn’t suffer from these policies, but many did and many parents have moved away from the Democratic Party because of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think people need to distinguish between economic and social issues. Democrats lost an enormous amount of voters in recent years with their social priorities, both locally and nationally. Restorative Justice in schools really wrecked a lot of schools because now bullies and disruptive students have no consequences whatsoever. And that's made a lot of public schools a nightmare - and I can guarantee a lot of very liberal parents are appalled by what Democrats have done in this space. And every parent remembers local Democrats closing public schools for a year and a half while allowing private schools, bars, and restaurants to remain open.

Do not underestimate how pissed off people are when it comes to what Democrats did to public schools and kids. That is a huge issue. Democrats lost a lot of families there.

And Democrats lost a lot of other people with their encouragement of unrestricted illegal migration. Letting millions walk across the border hurt communities everywhere, especially the working and middle class. From wage pressure to higher housing costs to demands on social services to schools to crime.

Speaking of crime, why on earth are Democrats so enthusiastic about advocating for violent men rather than their victims? Another huge loss.

And DEI. Everyone understands the legacy of slavery. But it's 2025, not 1925. Preferential hiring and promotions based on race is going to piss off 85 percent of the electorate.

However, most middle class Americans understand the present economic system isn't working for them. Inflation. The costs of health care. Retirement. The quality of schools. And a hundred other real life issues.

Trump and Republicans suck. But Democrats are so lost that they offer absolutely nothing. I mean 83 year old geriatric Joe Biden? The B team diversity candidate Kamala Harris? And now what - sleaze-ball shapeshifter Gavin Newsom?

If Bernie Sanders was 20 years younger, it'd be ok. 65 year old Bernie Sanders would win in a heartbeat today. But he's 83 - too old. In the meantime, there is nothing compelling in the Democratic Party. No future Obama or anything. There is nothing about anything in the modern Democratic Party. It's just... vapor. And that makes people angry and feeling lost. This is prime time for a third party, because Democrats are an absolute failure when it comes to providing an alternative to MAGA.

I don't understand what Democrats did to schools. My one kid just graduated high school, and her experience was fine.

Please enlighten us with the school your child attended? Are you in NOVA in the Langley / McLean pyramid in FCPS? FCPS? In Mayland zoned for a W school? Did your school avoid flipping to a 75% FARMS school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The cluelessness from the dem defenders is the essence of the issue with democrats. They live in Privileged bubble and do not relate to most people.

I guess their egos are too fat and hungry to acknowledge that the majority of the voting populace doesn’t buy what they are selling.

All dems have to do is change what they are peddling. I’ll wager that they won’t do this and just dig their heels in harder. Because they can never admit their mistakes, like a toddler.

+1

The DCUM bubble is so tightly sealed.

[Anonymous]

DEI helped no one let alone the children who it supposedly helped in schools. It is code for the bigotry of low expectations same as it ever was. Schools need to figure out ways to help kids become the best they can be without lowering standards. Kids who start out farther behind should be recognized for making big leaps ahead but of it doesn’t get them across xyz standard dont insult them and deny them a proper education by giving them (or anyone!) a pass by lowering the standards. That’s the system Dems have promoted for a few decades now. Many students from at-risk / poor / URM families should get a refund from schools who passed them and failed to educate them. The young woman from Baltimore(?) who got accepted into the AF academy ans then dismissed because she actually wasnt up to snuff should be the first in line. Her HS school lied to her about educating her. I can cite other examples as well. Shame on them! That isn’t even the South as Dems like to claim. People are sick of being lied to. Stop hiding behind, but Trump the Orange One is worse and clean up the messes you created. Stop worrying about Trump and do something for once.

I’m opposed to book banning led by the right (as well as plenty of censoring on the left).

[Anonymous]

The biggest issue with DEI is that as adopted by corporations and universities, it is implemented as a means of anti-labor. Obviously it would be great to teach accurate history, including but not limited to the horrors and violence of slavery. But the practical impact is anti-labor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DEI helped no one let alone the children who it supposedly helped in schools. It is code for the bigotry of low expectations same as it ever was. Schools need to figure out ways to help kids become the best they can be without lowering standards. Kids who start out farther behind should be recognized for making big leaps ahead but of it doesn’t get them across xyz standard dont insult them and deny them a proper education by giving them (or anyone!) a pass by lowering the standards. That’s the system Dems have promoted for a few decades now. Many students from at-risk / poor / URM families should get a refund from schools who passed them and failed to educate them. The young woman from Baltimore(?) who got accepted into the AF academy ans then dismissed because she actually wasnt up to snuff should be the first in line. Her HS school lied to her about educating her. I can cite other examples as well. Shame on them! That isn’t even the South as Dems like to claim. People are sick of being lied to. Stop hiding behind, but Trump the Orange One is worse and clean up the messes you created. Stop worrying about Trump and do something for once.

I’m opposed to book banning led by the right (as well as plenty of censoring on the left).

I’m sure that you have some research to back this up, right?

Just vibes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

I simply do not believe any more that the Democrats are better than Republicans on education. I used to believe that wholeheartedly. Of course the Republicans are garbage on education, but now the Democrats are too.

The Democrats right now are better than the Republicans right now, this extends to education.

I don't believe Democrats are better either. The Democrats run Universities, and they have clearly tried to avoid standardized tests that would allow for head-to-head comparisons between people from different backgrounds. EG Republicans did just fine on standardized tests. Democrats had to go out of their way to exclude them (and Asians too).

[Anonymous]

A Nazi controls Twitter, the Wall Street Journal and LA Times are in the hands of right-wing billionaires, and CBS is led by a conservative nepotism case who just axed one of their top stars for daring to criticize Trump. But sure—tell me more about America’s so-called “left-wing media bias.”