I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is witnessing a small but loud part of the Democratic Party doubling down on ideas that will keep them out of power(except in deep blue cities) for a generation. It truly is a death spiral with no way to pull out or eject, just crash and burn.

Why are they doubling down, especially on economic issues? You can play the lack of logic in your mind.

They believe an outsider who has never run a business is going to set the wages, the costs of goods and services, the price of leases and rents, etc., with all the complexities involved in those.

They're just going to come in and run everything by fiat. I don't understand the mentality. Is it a power trip? How does a politician with no life experience other than politics know better?

They don't know better, and that's evident to most of the electorate. The rest want to believe that promises of redistributing wealth will personally benefit them - "free stuff for me!", without regard to the ethical issues around personal responsibility.

Once communism is implemented the free stuff for me crowd that voted it in are rounded up and killed because they are the rabble-rouser personality types that are troublesome when their rations inevitably gets low.

I hadn’t thought of that, but this is probably close to the truth. Rabble rousers will always be rabble rousing.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

You must be joking. Red states are at the bottom of education and have been for years. The Republican Party is purposely trying to destroy education in this country so the electorate is not educated. Look at what Trump is trying to do to universities. And you think that’s because of DEI? 🙄 trying to do something different with the department of education is different than completely trying to dismantle/destroy it.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

my kids go to FCPS and believe me it was hell during Covid (2nd and 5th gr) But never in a million years would I support somebody like Trump or anyone that aligns with him in the Republican Party. And if fcps is so bad then why did do graduates get into all these top universities? I’m not interested in supporting any party that wants to villainize teachers like Youngkin did. Disgusting through and through. and look at what DeSantis is doing in Florida in regards to what is taught about slavery? Disgusting. And banning books.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Trump won 49.8% of the popular vote. He is proving on a daily basis how truly unhinged he is. He is offering no plan, no platform to help everyday Americans struggling with a plethora of issues.

D’s policies align more with most Americans in regards to climate change, common sense gun legislation, women’s reproductive rights, healthcare costs, education, more funding for infrastructure, can go on and on. Just look at the legislation passed under the Biden administration.

Blah blah blah. I’ve never been a Republican. I used to consider myself a Democrat. I may still vote Democrat but I do NOT support them especially since moving to the DMV. I hope the party needs to crumble along with the GOP. Dems open their arms to everyone and stab many in the back while giving them a hug. At least you know where the GOP stands (except trump who takes a scattershot approach to everything).

blah, blah, blah is your response to Trump clearly not having a mandate?? if the Democrats were a bigger disaster as many in this thread are saying then that should have been reflected in the popular vote.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky. Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.

Exactly. Come January, anyone buying health insurance on the open market is going to see their premiums rise by 75 percent. 75 percent! Obviously Republicans suck, but when was the last time anyone heard a Democrat talk about health insurance. Who gives a damn about diversity quotas and trans rights and restorative justice and equity and globalizing the intifada when you can't afford to see a doctor? The misplaced priorities of Democrats is absolutely breathtaking. There is mass disgust in this country with both Republicans and Democrats because neither give a damn about working and middle class Americans. And progressives are just as rotten as MAGA.

Me me! I heard Harris talk about it at her debate with the felon. I guess you were washing your hair?!?!

She also recounted how many times in his first term he tried to abolish the ACA in case people were continuously washing their hair from 2016-2020.

But the problem is the Affordable Care Act did not live up to its promise of lowering healthcare costs. Do you pay less in healthcare (defined as cost of insurance and out of pocket)? Do your doctors charge your insurance companies less?

Sure the ACA expanded coverage but the premise of expanded coverage was that fewer people would seek care in emergency rooms and that would lower costs (bc the healthcare providers were complaining the source of high costs was bc they had to treat the uninsured in emergency rooms).

The ACA does include some important provisions (forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions) but it also was a huge source of additional revenue for private insurance companies who do not pass their profits along to consumers. And by focusing on coverage you also don’t give any incentive to providers to curtail costs.

If Harris campaigned on her original healthcare policy from 2020 (universal coverage which allows greater leverage in cost negotiation) that would have been something to consider. Campaigning on expanding ACA when ACA has flaws is not the answer.

That’s not the point. PP said “when was the last time you heard Dems talk about healthcare” and then called me a douchebag when I pointed out that Harris talked about it throughout her campaign. You obviously didn’t listen to the clip since she talked about expanding it. Honestly the problem here is that you and pp are also mudslinging, and constantly moving the goalposts.

People overwhelmingly like Dem policies. I don’t know what’s so hard for you Dems to understand about this?! Harris was likable. There’s credible evidence showing she had more votes due to election rigging.

I like Harris a lot. But my point was not that she didn’t talk about healthcare but that in 2024 she didn’t position healthcare the right way. It should be about “expanding ACA” it should be about fixing it or trying something new. I so wish the Dem candidates were more forthright about the policies they ish that work as well as the ones that are not working. Continuing to say ACA is a success that needs to be “expanded” when it’s clear to people that they are paying more for healthcare does not resonate. I’m not moving any goal posts - I just think the Dem establishment is not setting the right goals. In this case it should be lowering healthcare costs. Not doubling down on a specific policy / legislation they supported that didn’t meet the goals.

What I really like about Mamdani is that he openly says his 5 govt covert stores (in food deserts not replacing any private stores) is an experiment that he plans to try, assess, and change depending on the outcome. That is what we need more of - not Hiliary Clinton who was so sure she had a “policy for that” but a candidate who has new ideas and proposes them as trials to honestly assess if they work.

Our currently current challenges are complex and our mix of free market and government intervention complicates things. So there is no way to know what the solution is before it’s implemented.

Another example - the Trump baby bond. That will produce a great data set to monitor to see if establishing a fund at birth for each child (long called for by progressives btw) actually moved the needle in terms of income inequality.

No one likes Harris a lot she was the lesser of two evil and quite terrible. You are out of your mind to like Harris a lot.

Out of their mind to support a bright, accomplished woman? If she was a white man with the same exact resume, would you be saying the same thing? My guess is no.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky. Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.

Exactly. Come January, anyone buying health insurance on the open market is going to see their premiums rise by 75 percent. 75 percent! Obviously Republicans suck, but when was the last time anyone heard a Democrat talk about health insurance. Who gives a damn about diversity quotas and trans rights and restorative justice and equity and globalizing the intifada when you can't afford to see a doctor? The misplaced priorities of Democrats is absolutely breathtaking. There is mass disgust in this country with both Republicans and Democrats because neither give a damn about working and middle class Americans. And progressives are just as rotten as MAGA.

Me me! I heard Harris talk about it at her debate with the felon. I guess you were washing your hair?!?!

She also recounted how many times in his first term he tried to abolish the ACA in case people were continuously washing their hair from 2016-2020.

But the problem is the Affordable Care Act did not live up to its promise of lowering healthcare costs. Do you pay less in healthcare (defined as cost of insurance and out of pocket)? Do your doctors charge your insurance companies less?

Sure the ACA expanded coverage but the premise of expanded coverage was that fewer people would seek care in emergency rooms and that would lower costs (bc the healthcare providers were complaining the source of high costs was bc they had to treat the uninsured in emergency rooms).

The ACA does include some important provisions (forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions) but it also was a huge source of additional revenue for private insurance companies who do not pass their profits along to consumers. And by focusing on coverage you also don’t give any incentive to providers to curtail costs.

If Harris campaigned on her original healthcare policy from 2020 (universal coverage which allows greater leverage in cost negotiation) that would have been something to consider. Campaigning on expanding ACA when ACA has flaws is not the answer.

That’s not the point. PP said “when was the last time you heard Dems talk about healthcare” and then called me a douchebag when I pointed out that Harris talked about it throughout her campaign. You obviously didn’t listen to the clip since she talked about expanding it. Honestly the problem here is that you and pp are also mudslinging, and constantly moving the goalposts.

People overwhelmingly like Dem policies. I don’t know what’s so hard for you Dems to understand about this?! Harris was likable. There’s credible evidence showing she had more votes due to election rigging.

I like Harris a lot. But my point was not that she didn’t talk about healthcare but that in 2024 she didn’t position healthcare the right way. It should be about “expanding ACA” it should be about fixing it or trying something new. I so wish the Dem candidates were more forthright about the policies they ish that work as well as the ones that are not working. Continuing to say ACA is a success that needs to be “expanded” when it’s clear to people that they are paying more for healthcare does not resonate. I’m not moving any goal posts - I just think the Dem establishment is not setting the right goals. In this case it should be lowering healthcare costs. Not doubling down on a specific policy / legislation they supported that didn’t meet the goals.

What I really like about Mamdani is that he openly says his 5 govt covert stores (in food deserts not replacing any private stores) is an experiment that he plans to try, assess, and change depending on the outcome. That is what we need more of - not Hiliary Clinton who was so sure she had a “policy for that” but a candidate who has new ideas and proposes them as trials to honestly assess if they work.

Our currently current challenges are complex and our mix of free market and government intervention complicates things. So there is no way to know what the solution is before it’s implemented.

Another example - the Trump baby bond. That will produce a great data set to monitor to see if establishing a fund at birth for each child (long called for by progressives btw) actually moved the needle in terms of income inequality.

No one likes Harris a lot she was the lesser of two evil and quite terrible. You are out of your mind to like Harris a lot.

?? Of course some people liked her a lot! I liked her in the 2020 campaign and would have voted for her if she didn’t drop out before my state voted.

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This is because there’s not the opportunity there used to be in the US. Did you get good grades, go to college, keep your nose clean and did what you were supposed to but you still can’t find a job? This the reaction we are seeing to this. I’m 34 and I know too many educated people working crappy dead end jobs when they were promised the world if they worked hard in school. Those that “have” that are our age often gloss over the fact that the bank of mom and dad are really funding them and without them they’d be struggling too.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

Democrats are better than Republicans on education.
Republicans don't believe in science and want to defund education.

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Anonymous wrote:We already had crazy left for a while Obama , Biden that's why the economy is messed up. Trump has been in office for like 7 months. I see a far right shift especially with young boys and men also note the read wife the trad wife tiktok trend among young women

eh, economy did great under Obama after Bush f*d it up with the Iraq war.

- former R

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky. Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.

Exactly. Come January, anyone buying health insurance on the open market is going to see their premiums rise by 75 percent. 75 percent! Obviously Republicans suck, but when was the last time anyone heard a Democrat talk about health insurance. Who gives a damn about diversity quotas and trans rights and restorative justice and equity and globalizing the intifada when you can't afford to see a doctor? The misplaced priorities of Democrats is absolutely breathtaking. There is mass disgust in this country with both Republicans and Democrats because neither give a damn about working and middle class Americans. And progressives are just as rotten as MAGA.

Me me! I heard Harris talk about it at her debate with the felon. I guess you were washing your hair?!?!

She also recounted how many times in his first term he tried to abolish the ACA in case people were continuously washing their hair from 2016-2020.

But the problem is the Affordable Care Act did not live up to its promise of lowering healthcare costs. Do you pay less in healthcare (defined as cost of insurance and out of pocket)? Do your doctors charge your insurance companies less?

Sure the ACA expanded coverage but the premise of expanded coverage was that fewer people would seek care in emergency rooms and that would lower costs (bc the healthcare providers were complaining the source of high costs was bc they had to treat the uninsured in emergency rooms).

The ACA does include some important provisions (forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions) but it also was a huge source of additional revenue for private insurance companies who do not pass their profits along to consumers. And by focusing on coverage you also don’t give any incentive to providers to curtail costs.

If Harris campaigned on her original healthcare policy from 2020 (universal coverage which allows greater leverage in cost negotiation) that would have been something to consider. Campaigning on expanding ACA when ACA has flaws is not the answer.

That’s not the point. PP said “when was the last time you heard Dems talk about healthcare” and then called me a douchebag when I pointed out that Harris talked about it throughout her campaign. You obviously didn’t listen to the clip since she talked about expanding it. Honestly the problem here is that you and pp are also mudslinging, and constantly moving the goalposts.

People overwhelmingly like Dem policies. I don’t know what’s so hard for you Dems to understand about this?! Harris was likable. There’s credible evidence showing she had more votes due to election rigging.

I like Harris a lot. But my point was not that she didn’t talk about healthcare but that in 2024 she didn’t position healthcare the right way. It should be about “expanding ACA” it should be about fixing it or trying something new. I so wish the Dem candidates were more forthright about the policies they ish that work as well as the ones that are not working. Continuing to say ACA is a success that needs to be “expanded” when it’s clear to people that they are paying more for healthcare does not resonate. I’m not moving any goal posts - I just think the Dem establishment is not setting the right goals. In this case it should be lowering healthcare costs. Not doubling down on a specific policy / legislation they supported that didn’t meet the goals.

What I really like about Mamdani is that he openly says his 5 govt covert stores (in food deserts not replacing any private stores) is an experiment that he plans to try, assess, and change depending on the outcome. That is what we need more of - not Hiliary Clinton who was so sure she had a “policy for that” but a candidate who has new ideas and proposes them as trials to honestly assess if they work.

Our currently current challenges are complex and our mix of free market and government intervention complicates things. So there is no way to know what the solution is before it’s implemented.

Another example - the Trump baby bond. That will produce a great data set to monitor to see if establishing a fund at birth for each child (long called for by progressives btw) actually moved the needle in terms of income inequality.

I like Mandani too. As a progressive, I’m all for new ideas.

BUT, I’m pushing back on the Dems not talking about or trying to reduce healthcare costs. Biden signed the No Surprises Act, which capped ER visits out of network. Then, Harris broke the tie for the Inflation Reduction Act, which helped with medical debt and healthcare costs. Here’s a decent description of it.

While, again, you may think it doesn’t go far enough they are out there trying to do something. The GOP just shot down a federal minimum wage increase in April, which would have benefited lots of low income Americans. Yet, another purported Dem pp calls this the Hunger Games and that the Dems are elites trying to push down the little people, when factually that isn’t true in the least.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4932212-how-democrats-are-making-health-care-more-affordable/amp/

Minimum wage support is actually a really good example of the Hunger Games mentality of the Democrats. It’s an issue on which the wealthy Democrats have convinced themselves that they are good people while they calmly watch the working class scrabble in the killing fields of modern capitalism.

But minimum wage is a lot more complex of an issue than what people like you think, and it’s not universally seen as a net positive. And a lot of working class people don’t see voting against it as voting against their own interests, to use the grotesquely condescending language of DCUM Democrats.

You know what people who are poor and working class understand really, really well? How much stuff costs. And that includes how many costs they get passed on when their local small grocery has to compete with Walmart. And how minimum wage has been used by Democrats to decimate working class businesses in favor of large corporations. And how minimum wage increases drive prices up for them.

Have you ever had an in-depth conversation with literally any actual working class person about minimum wage? Or do you, like most DCUM Democrats, think working class people are too stupid for extended policy conversations? Your self-perception of yourself as a very, very good person for supporting minimum wage increases might be a little challenged, if you’d be willing to listen.

Okay, I’m listening and hear that supporting all this is wrong? Pray tell how should UMC people vote and talk to avoid this Hunger Games situation?

I don’t recall saying I was a good person for voting this way. I believe in safety nets because I believe a rising tide lifts all boats. My parents were blue collar. I went to college on the GI bill. But, I suppose you’ll tell me that’s inherently wrong too.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky. Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.

Exactly. Come January, anyone buying health insurance on the open market is going to see their premiums rise by 75 percent. 75 percent! Obviously Republicans suck, but when was the last time anyone heard a Democrat talk about health insurance. Who gives a damn about diversity quotas and trans rights and restorative justice and equity and globalizing the intifada when you can't afford to see a doctor? The misplaced priorities of Democrats is absolutely breathtaking. There is mass disgust in this country with both Republicans and Democrats because neither give a damn about working and middle class Americans. And progressives are just as rotten as MAGA.

Me me! I heard Harris talk about it at her debate with the felon. I guess you were washing your hair?!?!

She also recounted how many times in his first term he tried to abolish the ACA in case people were continuously washing their hair from 2016-2020.

But the problem is the Affordable Care Act did not live up to its promise of lowering healthcare costs. Do you pay less in healthcare (defined as cost of insurance and out of pocket)? Do your doctors charge your insurance companies less?

Sure the ACA expanded coverage but the premise of expanded coverage was that fewer people would seek care in emergency rooms and that would lower costs (bc the healthcare providers were complaining the source of high costs was bc they had to treat the uninsured in emergency rooms).

The ACA does include some important provisions (forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions) but it also was a huge source of additional revenue for private insurance companies who do not pass their profits along to consumers. And by focusing on coverage you also don’t give any incentive to providers to curtail costs.

If Harris campaigned on her original healthcare policy from 2020 (universal coverage which allows greater leverage in cost negotiation) that would have been something to consider. Campaigning on expanding ACA when ACA has flaws is not the answer.

That’s not the point. PP said “when was the last time you heard Dems talk about healthcare” and then called me a douchebag when I pointed out that Harris talked about it throughout her campaign. You obviously didn’t listen to the clip since she talked about expanding it. Honestly the problem here is that you and pp are also mudslinging, and constantly moving the goalposts.

People overwhelmingly like Dem policies. I don’t know what’s so hard for you Dems to understand about this?! Harris was likable. There’s credible evidence showing she had more votes due to election rigging.

I like Harris a lot. But my point was not that she didn’t talk about healthcare but that in 2024 she didn’t position healthcare the right way. It should be about “expanding ACA” it should be about fixing it or trying something new. I so wish the Dem candidates were more forthright about the policies they ish that work as well as the ones that are not working. Continuing to say ACA is a success that needs to be “expanded” when it’s clear to people that they are paying more for healthcare does not resonate. I’m not moving any goal posts - I just think the Dem establishment is not setting the right goals. In this case it should be lowering healthcare costs. Not doubling down on a specific policy / legislation they supported that didn’t meet the goals.

What I really like about Mamdani is that he openly says his 5 govt covert stores (in food deserts not replacing any private stores) is an experiment that he plans to try, assess, and change depending on the outcome. That is what we need more of - not Hiliary Clinton who was so sure she had a “policy for that” but a candidate who has new ideas and proposes them as trials to honestly assess if they work.

Our currently current challenges are complex and our mix of free market and government intervention complicates things. So there is no way to know what the solution is before it’s implemented.

Another example - the Trump baby bond. That will produce a great data set to monitor to see if establishing a fund at birth for each child (long called for by progressives btw) actually moved the needle in terms of income inequality.

I like Mandani too. As a progressive, I’m all for new ideas.

BUT, I’m pushing back on the Dems not talking about or trying to reduce healthcare costs. Biden signed the No Surprises Act, which capped ER visits out of network. Then, Harris broke the tie for the Inflation Reduction Act, which helped with medical debt and healthcare costs. Here’s a decent description of it.

While, again, you may think it doesn’t go far enough they are out there trying to do something. The GOP just shot down a federal minimum wage increase in April, which would have benefited lots of low income Americans. Yet, another purported Dem pp calls this the Hunger Games and that the Dems are elites trying to push down the little people, when factually that isn’t true in the least.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4932212-how-democrats-are-making-health-care-more-affordable/amp/

Minimum wage support is actually a really good example of the Hunger Games mentality of the Democrats. It’s an issue on which the wealthy Democrats have convinced themselves that they are good people while they calmly watch the working class scrabble in the killing fields of modern capitalism.

But minimum wage is a lot more complex of an issue than what people like you think, and it’s not universally seen as a net positive. And a lot of working class people don’t see voting against it as voting against their own interests, to use the grotesquely condescending language of DCUM Democrats.

You know what people who are poor and working class understand really, really well? How much stuff costs. And that includes how many costs they get passed on when their local small grocery has to compete with Walmart. And how minimum wage has been used by Democrats to decimate working class businesses in favor of large corporations. And how minimum wage increases drive prices up for them.

Have you ever had an in-depth conversation with literally any actual working class person about minimum wage? Or do you, like most DCUM Democrats, think working class people are too stupid for extended policy conversations? Your self-perception of yourself as a very, very good person for supporting minimum wage increases might be a little challenged, if you’d be willing to listen.

I’m pp, but also, why aren’t you blaming Walmart for our problems? You seem to lay all the blame on Democrats. Make it make sense for me.

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Anonymous wrote:For the MAGA Margie up thread who is crying and lying about Dems not talking about healthcare, here is Don the Con telling us all we need to know about his healthcare plan…just give it two more weeks. Definitely not a throwaway line. Right?!?!

Another “at least Dems arent as bad as Trump” post while ignoring the bit that Dems are still bad. People are looking for a party that offers more substance and less hypocrisy.

Nope, the issue at question is Dems don’t talk about healthcare and they don’t care about blue collar workers and they want them to suffer. See upthread.

MAGA doesn’t talk about healthcare and they don’t ACTUALLY care about blue collar worker and they are implementing healthcare policies that will hurt many Americans but ONLY Democrats are doing it wrong.

I think a lot of people want to hate on Dems, including a lot of self-proclaimed Dems for reasons that make no sense. If you give me a reason that makes sense, then we’re getting somewhere. And, yes, the Dems have problems. But, not the problems I’m seeing in this thread.

OMG. I forgot to respond to the Dems arent as bad good for education bit. That is a HUGE lie. They have practically decimated K-12 education. Spelling not important, 1+1 = 3 is close enough, removal of phonics, evacuate and disrupt to classrooms regularly to deal with a single tantrum throwing child, etc. There are so many other things I could list.

Just look at the FCPS school board. Members should be barred from political office for a number of years. It is supposed to be non-partisan yet many a members are openly affiliated with a party. One year, instead of stating education as a goal, they cited immigration as their number one issue. They can’t even stay in their lane. And don’t start on the Bush NCLB crap, because Obama ran with it and slapped a new name on it.

The idea that Democrats are good for education is laughable to anyone who had kids during covid.

Nobody believes the party in favor of decimating advanced math is good for education.

my kids go to FCPS and believe me it was hell during Covid (2nd and 5th gr) But never in a million years would I support somebody like Trump or anyone that aligns with him in the Republican Party. And if fcps is so bad then why did do graduates get into all these top universities? I’m not interested in supporting any party that wants to villainize teachers like Youngkin did. Disgusting through and through. and look at what DeSantis is doing in Florida in regards to what is taught about slavery? Disgusting. And banning books.

Banning books and online censoring debate are the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a video of Tucker Carlson indoctrinating young conservatives this week with left wing populist messaging about the economy and how it’s not working for the middle class with “normal jobs”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMEQX6dv9NI/?igsh=MTlxdzZheGt6MHRpOA==

My kids are struggling to find jobs with health insurance.

One has one but it is shaky. Other does not

What Tucker is discussing is fact

And a key reason why Democrats lost.

Exactly. Come January, anyone buying health insurance on the open market is going to see their premiums rise by 75 percent. 75 percent! Obviously Republicans suck, but when was the last time anyone heard a Democrat talk about health insurance. Who gives a damn about diversity quotas and trans rights and restorative justice and equity and globalizing the intifada when you can't afford to see a doctor? The misplaced priorities of Democrats is absolutely breathtaking. There is mass disgust in this country with both Republicans and Democrats because neither give a damn about working and middle class Americans. And progressives are just as rotten as MAGA.

Me me! I heard Harris talk about it at her debate with the felon. I guess you were washing your hair?!?!

She also recounted how many times in his first term he tried to abolish the ACA in case people were continuously washing their hair from 2016-2020.

But the problem is the Affordable Care Act did not live up to its promise of lowering healthcare costs. Do you pay less in healthcare (defined as cost of insurance and out of pocket)? Do your doctors charge your insurance companies less?

Sure the ACA expanded coverage but the premise of expanded coverage was that fewer people would seek care in emergency rooms and that would lower costs (bc the healthcare providers were complaining the source of high costs was bc they had to treat the uninsured in emergency rooms).

The ACA does include some important provisions (forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions) but it also was a huge source of additional revenue for private insurance companies who do not pass their profits along to consumers. And by focusing on coverage you also don’t give any incentive to providers to curtail costs.

If Harris campaigned on her original healthcare policy from 2020 (universal coverage which allows greater leverage in cost negotiation) that would have been something to consider. Campaigning on expanding ACA when ACA has flaws is not the answer.

That’s not the point. PP said “when was the last time you heard Dems talk about healthcare” and then called me a douchebag when I pointed out that Harris talked about it throughout her campaign. You obviously didn’t listen to the clip since she talked about expanding it. Honestly the problem here is that you and pp are also mudslinging, and constantly moving the goalposts.

People overwhelmingly like Dem policies. I don’t know what’s so hard for you Dems to understand about this?! Harris was likable. There’s credible evidence showing she had more votes due to election rigging.

I like Harris a lot. But my point was not that she didn’t talk about healthcare but that in 2024 she didn’t position healthcare the right way. It should be about “expanding ACA” it should be about fixing it or trying something new. I so wish the Dem candidates were more forthright about the policies they ish that work as well as the ones that are not working. Continuing to say ACA is a success that needs to be “expanded” when it’s clear to people that they are paying more for healthcare does not resonate. I’m not moving any goal posts - I just think the Dem establishment is not setting the right goals. In this case it should be lowering healthcare costs. Not doubling down on a specific policy / legislation they supported that didn’t meet the goals.

What I really like about Mamdani is that he openly says his 5 govt covert stores (in food deserts not replacing any private stores) is an experiment that he plans to try, assess, and change depending on the outcome. That is what we need more of - not Hiliary Clinton who was so sure she had a “policy for that” but a candidate who has new ideas and proposes them as trials to honestly assess if they work.

Our currently current challenges are complex and our mix of free market and government intervention complicates things. So there is no way to know what the solution is before it’s implemented.

Another example - the Trump baby bond. That will produce a great data set to monitor to see if establishing a fund at birth for each child (long called for by progressives btw) actually moved the needle in terms of income inequality.

I like Mandani too. As a progressive, I’m all for new ideas.

BUT, I’m pushing back on the Dems not talking about or trying to reduce healthcare costs. Biden signed the No Surprises Act, which capped ER visits out of network. Then, Harris broke the tie for the Inflation Reduction Act, which helped with medical debt and healthcare costs. Here’s a decent description of it.

While, again, you may think it doesn’t go far enough they are out there trying to do something. The GOP just shot down a federal minimum wage increase in April, which would have benefited lots of low income Americans. Yet, another purported Dem pp calls this the Hunger Games and that the Dems are elites trying to push down the little people, when factually that isn’t true in the least.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4932212-how-democrats-are-making-health-care-more-affordable/amp/

Minimum wage support is actually a really good example of the Hunger Games mentality of the Democrats. It’s an issue on which the wealthy Democrats have convinced themselves that they are good people while they calmly watch the working class scrabble in the killing fields of modern capitalism.

But minimum wage is a lot more complex of an issue than what people like you think, and it’s not universally seen as a net positive. And a lot of working class people don’t see voting against it as voting against their own interests, to use the grotesquely condescending language of DCUM Democrats.

You know what people who are poor and working class understand really, really well? How much stuff costs. And that includes how many costs they get passed on when their local small grocery has to compete with Walmart. And how minimum wage has been used by Democrats to decimate working class businesses in favor of large corporations. And how minimum wage increases drive prices up for them.

Have you ever had an in-depth conversation with literally any actual working class person about minimum wage? Or do you, like most DCUM Democrats, think working class people are too stupid for extended policy conversations? Your self-perception of yourself as a very, very good person for supporting minimum wage increases might be a little challenged, if you’d be willing to listen.

I’m pp, but also, why aren’t you blaming Walmart for our problems? You seem to lay all the blame on Democrats. Make it make sense for me.

DP, but what is your problem with Walmart? They provide affordable goods and well paying jobs.