DCPS students shafted again - sign petition to keep Jelleff field public

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Do you realize Jelleff is not a DCPS facility? Its a DPR. The mission statement for DPR is not to provide DCPS recreation facilities. DPR already priorities use of facilities for DC residents through a fee structure. If Hardy is going to take over Jelleff, the school system should pay for improvements and maintenance for the facility out of Hardy’s budget.

Do you realize that Hardy teams now play and practice at DPR fields? Jelleff just happens to be across the street instead of across the city.

Why doesn't Hardy just use Ellington field? I drive by it a lot and never see anyone playing on it much during school days or after school. It's a short walk away, and then you wouldn't have to whine about poor Hardy for 165+ pages.

That's what the city is trying to do now -- shift management of the Ellington field to DPR from DCPS, and it would be used by Hardy and Ellington, and the rest of the community. However, the idea has run into vocal objections from Burleith neighbors who say that if it is used for recreation by sports leagues and the like (when it isn't being used by one of the schools) it would bring too many cars to their streets. So the proposal is stalled.

So then keep it within the schools rather than opening it to DPR groups, and shift it from Ellington to Hardy or keep it with Ellington but with a simple MOU for Hardy. This isn't rocket science. It would serve Hardy, it doesn't seem like Ellington is using it much, and it keeps peace with the neighborhood.

Jelleff is just a much better field. To bring Ellington up to Jelleff's level would cost millions of dollars. Far more than what Maret is paying to use Jelleff -- which is why this is outrageous.

I'll posit that a fairer deal would have been to say to Maret, thank you for what you did in 2009, but your ten years are up. If you'd like another ten years, let's do the same deal again but at Ellington this time.

If the Hardy parents want a brand new best in class field so much, then raise funds for it - or lobby DCPS for it. Either way, it might require a little effort and industriousness.

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Do you realize Jelleff is not a DCPS facility? Its a DPR. The mission statement for DPR is not to provide DCPS recreation facilities. DPR already priorities use of facilities for DC residents through a fee structure. If Hardy is going to take over Jelleff, the school system should pay for improvements and maintenance for the facility out of Hardy’s budget.

Do you realize that Hardy teams now play and practice at DPR fields? Jelleff just happens to be across the street instead of across the city.

Why doesn't Hardy just use Ellington field? I drive by it a lot and never see anyone playing on it much during school days or after school. It's a short walk away, and then you wouldn't have to whine about poor Hardy for 165+ pages.

That's what the city is trying to do now -- shift management of the Ellington field to DPR from DCPS, and it would be used by Hardy and Ellington, and the rest of the community. However, the idea has run into vocal objections from Burleith neighbors who say that if it is used for recreation by sports leagues and the like (when it isn't being used by one of the schools) it would bring too many cars to their streets. So the proposal is stalled.

So then keep it within the schools rather than opening it to DPR groups, and shift it from Ellington to Hardy or keep it with Ellington but with a simple MOU for Hardy. This isn't rocket science. It would serve Hardy, it doesn't seem like Ellington is using it much, and it keeps peace with the neighborhood.

Jelleff is just a much better field. To bring Ellington up to Jelleff's level would cost millions of dollars. Far more than what Maret is paying to use Jelleff -- which is why this is outrageous.

I'll posit that a fairer deal would have been to say to Maret, thank you for what you did in 2009, but your ten years are up. If you'd like another ten years, let's do the same deal again but at Ellington this time.

If the Hardy parents want a brand new best in class field so much, then raise funds for it - or lobby DCPS for it. Either way, it might require a little effort and industriousness.

Nothing but confusion and aspersions.

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167 pages later, why is this even a DC public school topic? The facility is owned by the Parks and Rec Department. A private entity, Boys and Girls Club has a lease. A private school, Maret, invested time renovate the field and pays an annual fee for use. Some people, claiming to speak for Hardy and some number of others, claim to want to use Jeleff after school or for rec sports teams, but it seems have not even asked DCPS to accommodate their sports interests. A number of the named schools have dedicated fields (one even has a whole rec soccer league of the same name). There is a barely used field owned by Ellington that is steps from Hardy. Strangely the group that purports to speak for Hardy is wont advocate for Hardy with DCPS. And so it goes.

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No one forced you to post. The only reason this thread keeps going is because people keep posting to it. Your fallacious talking points have been debunked over and over again on this thread but you keep posting them.

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Anonymous wrote:No one forced you to post. The only reason this thread keeps going is because people keep posting to it. Your fallacious talking points have been debunked over and over again on this thread but you keep posting them.

Are you talking “giving away” Jelleff?

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Anonymous wrote:No one forced you to post. The only reason this thread keeps going is because people keep posting to it. Your fallacious talking points have been debunked over and over again on this thread but you keep posting them.

Are you talking “giving away” Jelleff?

Maret should just offer to buy Hardy outright from DCPS and renovate it as the lower school, just as WIS has with a nearby campus. Then shift to Ward 3 students at Hardy back to Deal. Once the present population at Hardy moves to high school, then students can stick with the boundary schools. Then Maret can give up Jelleff because Hardy will work for their purposes. Win-win.

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Do you realize Jelleff is not a DCPS facility? Its a DPR. The mission statement for DPR is not to provide DCPS recreation facilities. DPR already priorities use of facilities for DC residents through a fee structure. If Hardy is going to take over Jelleff, the school system should pay for improvements and maintenance for the facility out of Hardy’s budget.

Do you realize that Hardy teams now play and practice at DPR fields? Jelleff just happens to be across the street instead of across the city.

Why doesn't Hardy just use Ellington field? I drive by it a lot and never see anyone playing on it much during school days or after school. It's a short walk away, and then you wouldn't have to whine about poor Hardy for 165+ pages.

That's what the city is trying to do now -- shift management of the Ellington field to DPR from DCPS, and it would be used by Hardy and Ellington, and the rest of the community. However, the idea has run into vocal objections from Burleith neighbors who say that if it is used for recreation by sports leagues and the like (when it isn't being used by one of the schools) it would bring too many cars to their streets. So the proposal is stalled.

So then keep it within the schools rather than opening it to DPR groups, and shift it from Ellington to Hardy or keep it with Ellington but with a simple MOU for Hardy. This isn't rocket science. It would serve Hardy, it doesn't seem like Ellington is using it much, and it keeps peace with the neighborhood.

Jelleff is just a much better field. To bring Ellington up to Jelleff's level would cost millions of dollars. Far more than what Maret is paying to use Jelleff -- which is why this is outrageous.

I'll posit that a fairer deal would have been to say to Maret, thank you for what you did in 2009, but your ten years are up. If you'd like another ten years, let's do the same deal again but at Ellington this time.

If the Hardy parents want a brand new best in class field so much, then raise funds for it - or lobby DCPS for it. Either way, it might require a little effort and industriousness.

Where does access to a public park by public schools require industriousness while for private school it just requires a bribe to Dc councilman/Maret parent/soon to be felon Jack Evans?

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Anonymous wrote:167 pages later, why is this even a DC public school topic? The facility is owned by the Parks and Rec Department. A private entity, Boys and Girls Club has a lease. A private school, Maret, invested time renovate the field and pays an annual fee for use. Some people, claiming to speak for Hardy and some number of others, claim to want to use Jeleff after school or for rec sports teams, but it seems have not even asked DCPS to accommodate their sports interests. A number of the named schools have dedicated fields (one even has a whole rec soccer league of the same name). There is a barely used field owned by Ellington that is steps from Hardy. Strangely the group that purports to speak for Hardy is wont advocate for Hardy with DCPS. And so it goes.

Because we we don’t need Maret’s paltry 95,000/year to get exclusive afterschool use of one of the most desirable public parks in the city because DC is “flush with cash” according to Maret parent Jack Evans. Try reading news articles-8 public schools and the Boys and Girls club expressed interest in using Jelleff. Just because the Maret bubble doesn’t consider public schools worth their notice doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

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Do you realize Jelleff is not a DCPS facility? Its a DPR. The mission statement for DPR is not to provide DCPS recreation facilities. DPR already priorities use of facilities for DC residents through a fee structure. If Hardy is going to take over Jelleff, the school system should pay for improvements and maintenance for the facility out of Hardy’s budget.

Do you realize that Hardy teams now play and practice at DPR fields? Jelleff just happens to be across the street instead of across the city.

Why doesn't Hardy just use Ellington field? I drive by it a lot and never see anyone playing on it much during school days or after school. It's a short walk away, and then you wouldn't have to whine about poor Hardy for 165+ pages.

That's what the city is trying to do now -- shift management of the Ellington field to DPR from DCPS, and it would be used by Hardy and Ellington, and the rest of the community. However, the idea has run into vocal objections from Burleith neighbors who say that if it is used for recreation by sports leagues and the like (when it isn't being used by one of the schools) it would bring too many cars to their streets. So the proposal is stalled.

So then keep it within the schools rather than opening it to DPR groups, and shift it from Ellington to Hardy or keep it with Ellington but with a simple MOU for Hardy. This isn't rocket science. It would serve Hardy, it doesn't seem like Ellington is using it much, and it keeps peace with the neighborhood.

Jelleff is just a much better field. To bring Ellington up to Jelleff's level would cost millions of dollars. Far more than what Maret is paying to use Jelleff -- which is why this is outrageous.

I'll posit that a fairer deal would have been to say to Maret, thank you for what you did in 2009, but your ten years are up. If you'd like another ten years, let's do the same deal again but at Ellington this time.

If the Hardy parents want a brand new best in class field so much, then raise funds for it - or lobby DCPS for it. Either way, it might require a little effort and industriousness.

Where does access to a public park by public schools require industriousness while for private school it just requires a bribe to Dc councilman/Maret parent/soon to be felon Jack Evans?

+1 Shall we start a gofundme to help Maret afford a field of its own like other DC private schools?

[Anonymous]

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Do you realize Jelleff is not a DCPS facility? Its a DPR. The mission statement for DPR is not to provide DCPS recreation facilities. DPR already priorities use of facilities for DC residents through a fee structure. If Hardy is going to take over Jelleff, the school system should pay for improvements and maintenance for the facility out of Hardy’s budget.

Do you realize that Hardy teams now play and practice at DPR fields? Jelleff just happens to be across the street instead of across the city.

Why doesn't Hardy just use Ellington field? I drive by it a lot and never see anyone playing on it much during school days or after school. It's a short walk away, and then you wouldn't have to whine about poor Hardy for 165+ pages.

That's what the city is trying to do now -- shift management of the Ellington field to DPR from DCPS, and it would be used by Hardy and Ellington, and the rest of the community. However, the idea has run into vocal objections from Burleith neighbors who say that if it is used for recreation by sports leagues and the like (when it isn't being used by one of the schools) it would bring too many cars to their streets. So the proposal is stalled.

So then keep it within the schools rather than opening it to DPR groups, and shift it from Ellington to Hardy or keep it with Ellington but with a simple MOU for Hardy. This isn't rocket science. It would serve Hardy, it doesn't seem like Ellington is using it much, and it keeps peace with the neighborhood.

Jelleff is just a much better field. To bring Ellington up to Jelleff's level would cost millions of dollars. Far more than what Maret is paying to use Jelleff -- which is why this is outrageous.

I'll posit that a fairer deal would have been to say to Maret, thank you for what you did in 2009, but your ten years are up. If you'd like another ten years, let's do the same deal again but at Ellington this time.

If the Hardy parents want a brand new best in class field so much, then raise funds for it - or lobby DCPS for it. Either way, it might require a little effort and industriousness.

Where does access to a public park by public schools require industriousness while for private school it just requires a bribe to Dc councilman/Maret parent/soon to be felon Jack Evans?

+1 Shall we start a gofundme to help Maret afford a field of its own like other DC private schools?

I will write Ian Cameron about it right away. I am sure he will be keen on it as it is something an “industrious” school would do.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know why Maret didn’t bother to find a private athletic field or build its own after all these years? Is their planning area incompetent or just prefers to pay bribes to politicians rather than a market rate for land?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why Maret didn’t bother to find a private athletic field or build its own after all these years? Is their planning area incompetent or just prefers to pay bribes to politicians rather than a market rate for land?

Maret has a large field which is used all weekend by non-Maret groups. Maret’s challenge is that they have three divisions on one smallish campus and the one field doesn’t can’t handle everyone during the school week. The suggestion about Maret maybe buying the Hardy facility from DC would be deliciously ironic.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why Maret didn’t bother to find a private athletic field or build its own after all these years? Is their planning area incompetent or just prefers to pay bribes to politicians rather than a market rate for land?

Maret has a large field which is used all weekend by non-Maret groups. Maret’s challenge is that they have three divisions on one smallish campus and the one field doesn’t can’t handle everyone during the school week. The suggestion about Maret maybe buying the Hardy facility from DC would be deliciously ironic.

Maret can easily solve its "challenge" by shelling out some cash rather than relying on the goodwill of Jack Evans and the rest of the DC government officials they bribed so that they only have to pay $95k/year. Sidwell has an underground parking lot that gives it more space for things like athletic fields. I don't know why anyone would choose Maret as so many other DC area privates have better resources including sufficient field space.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why Maret didn’t bother to find a private athletic field or build its own after all these years? Is their planning area incompetent or just prefers to pay bribes to politicians rather than a market rate for land?

Maret has a large field which is used all weekend by non-Maret groups. Maret’s challenge is that they have three divisions on one smallish campus and the one field doesn’t can’t handle everyone during the school week. The suggestion about Maret maybe buying the Hardy facility from DC would be deliciously ironic.

Maret can easily solve its "challenge" by shelling out some cash rather than relying on the goodwill of Jack Evans and the rest of the DC government officials they bribed so that they only have to pay $95k/year. Sidwell has an underground parking lot that gives it more space for things like athletic fields. I don't know why anyone would choose Maret as so many other DC area privates have better resources including sufficient field space.

You should be very careful about alleging that the Maret School bribed anyone, lest you want a defamation suit in your Xmas stocking.

[Anonymous]

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Do you realize Jelleff is not a DCPS facility? Its a DPR. The mission statement for DPR is not to provide DCPS recreation facilities. DPR already priorities use of facilities for DC residents through a fee structure. If Hardy is going to take over Jelleff, the school system should pay for improvements and maintenance for the facility out of Hardy’s budget.

Do you realize that Hardy teams now play and practice at DPR fields? Jelleff just happens to be across the street instead of across the city.

Why doesn't Hardy just use Ellington field? I drive by it a lot and never see anyone playing on it much during school days or after school. It's a short walk away, and then you wouldn't have to whine about poor Hardy for 165+ pages.

That's what the city is trying to do now -- shift management of the Ellington field to DPR from DCPS, and it would be used by Hardy and Ellington, and the rest of the community. However, the idea has run into vocal objections from Burleith neighbors who say that if it is used for recreation by sports leagues and the like (when it isn't being used by one of the schools) it would bring too many cars to their streets. So the proposal is stalled.

So then keep it within the schools rather than opening it to DPR groups, and shift it from Ellington to Hardy or keep it with Ellington but with a simple MOU for Hardy. This isn't rocket science. It would serve Hardy, it doesn't seem like Ellington is using it much, and it keeps peace with the neighborhood.

Jelleff is just a much better field. To bring Ellington up to Jelleff's level would cost millions of dollars. Far more than what Maret is paying to use Jelleff -- which is why this is outrageous.

I'll posit that a fairer deal would have been to say to Maret, thank you for what you did in 2009, but your ten years are up. If you'd like another ten years, let's do the same deal again but at Ellington this time.

If the Hardy parents want a brand new best in class field so much, then raise funds for it - or lobby DCPS for it. Either way, it might require a little effort and industriousness.

Where does access to a public park by public schools require industriousness while for private school it just requires a bribe to Dc councilman/Maret parent/soon to be felon Jack Evans?

So there is no access to a public park for public school kids? Sure. My kids play there all the time. The indoor basketball courts are alway full. The field is in constant demand from youth and adult sports league(soccer, lacrosse, etc). Hardy is a middle school. How many of the 375 students play an outdoor school team sport that require use of a field? Why can’t the few students who want to do school team sports use the Duke Ellington’s unused field? why can’t anyone use the DE Field? it is always empty and no one can reserve it for use.

The public education budget for DC is 2.3 billion. DC DPR has a budget of 56 million. Stop tying to steal facilities from the underfunded DPR. Hardy has an outside play area that includes tennis courts. If Hardy needs more take it out of the 2.3 billion, not out of DPR’s 56 million.