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Anonymous
PP above and I cannot believe I mistakenly left her off. Yes, Susan Rice has great appeal and I actually like her a lot. Not sure how she would poll with the uncertain voters, knowing that she worked with Obama. I may be biased in that I can appreciate her work with Biden before and a seamless and trustworthy partnership will be so important in this presidency especially. I don’t think she comes off as hawkish, but I do think she had a strong backbone which is a good thing, especially now. Who knows how the rest of the world will try to push the envelope once trump is gone. Remember Trump was taunting NoKo, China, and Iran and the next personality will need to be able to manage the environment and lead in an honorable but also brace and confident manner. |
Anonymous
DP, I agree that Warren will scare people off. I disagree that Harris is a tenable candidate for VP in 2024. For what it is worth, I am a registered Independent. |
Anonymous
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Who are all you Warren haters? You understand that she is very well regarded among most Democratic voters, right? You understand that she was the “Magic Wand” candidate, right? She is easily the best VP candidate.
But I’ll go ahead and say it, since I’m serious about getting Trump out: Biden/Whoever 2020. I don’t care. I’m not going to be a big old baby and pick on the minutiae of a Democratic candidate while ignoring the flaming pustule that is the GOP. Blue no matter who. And I won’t be “scared off” like some of our delicate Republican PPs who need to be catered to, having already ruined their own party. |
Anonymous
That makes her a good candidate for Secretary of State, not necessarily VPOTUS. I will agree that she is an admirable candidate and the best when it comes to foreign policy, arguably even better than Biden himself. But she is not a retail politician, she has never run for elected office and has very little domestic experience, all of which are important qualities for a VPOTUS. While I think she is the most intelligent candidate and the best foreign policy advisor, I still think she is a second-tier candidate for VPOTUS. |
Anonymous
Bringing Warren on board gives Trump the chance to run against “socialism” which he has been dying to do all along. And her leaving the Senate messes it up in a way picking the other Senators doesn’t. |
Anonymous
I’ve read that that’s incorrect, actually. And Trump is crony socialism. |
Anonymous
The problem with Warren is that she has so many negatives and the negatives are ones that will be the most costly in the swing states and with the uncommitted voters, voters who almost always vote, but have not decided which is the lesser of the two evils. While many people like to "get out the vote" and target voters who are registered but rarely vote, they are unreliable. You can lobby them and they can say they are committed, when push comes to shove, these are the people who can't find the time on the day of the elections to make it there, or get there and see long lines and they bail, etc. Trying to win over the voters who always vote, but are uncommitted generally works better and, in fact, in large part, how Trump won in 2016. In the last week, he swung many of the uncommitted voters in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to vote for him and swung those three states for his narrow electoral college victory. What are Warren's negatives? She's old. Many uncommitted voters are worried about both Trump and Biden's ages and mental and physical health. Especially without a vaccine, the pandemic is a huge threat to two septuagenarian POTUS candidates. Add in another septuagenarian VPOTUS candidate and many uncommitted will not vote for that ticket. Pence is 61, and is far healthier than either ticket header. Biden needs to pick someone under 65, possibly under 60. Look at the other leaders: Harris is 55, Duckworth is 52, Lance Bottoms is 50, Demings is 63, Grisham is 60, Rice is 55. In addition to susceptibility to Covid, uncommitted recognize that Biden is likely to be a one-term POTUS. They also want to see a viable candidate for 2024 in the VPOTUS, someone to head the ticket without the circus that we've gone through for the last two elections. Warren would be 74 when campaigning and 75 when assuming office if she were VPOTUS and the POTUS candidate. She would face the same age issues that Biden and Trump now face and again would be a likely one-term President if elected. Her age is a major factor. Warren is also not Midwestern, despite her trying to highlight her Oklahoman origins. The Midwest no longer really considers her one of them; she is an East Coast Democrat with East Coast values and her Harvard background. She is considered a New Englander and does not share Midwestern values or priorities as far as voters are concerned. She has no ties to any of the primary eleven swing states and they have no devotion or ties to her. She adds nothing to the ticket with that. Some people feel that she shores up the Progressive vote, but Biden has already done that. As he's announced policies in the last few weeks, he's added many policies from both Warren and Sanders platforms that are clearly designed to appeal to the Progressive vote. Having the head of the ticket embrace their values and policies goes a lot further than adding a progressive VPOTUS who may or many not influence policy when in office. Basically the people in Warren's camp were already on-board with the Biden ticket (the majority of them were never-Trumpers to begin with, like PP) so adding her does not add to Biden's support. He needs a candidate that will draw swing state voters and Warren is more likely to cost swing state voters than draw them. |
Anonymous
If Warren leaves the Senate at any time between now and the election, Charlie Baker will get to appoint her replacement who will almost guaranteed be a Republican replacement. Additionally, it is too late to have a special election to fill that seat, so the person appointed would become the Senator from Massachusetts until Warren's term expires in 2024. That means that for the entire term of the next President that seat would be Republican. If Biden were to win the election, McConnell would become President Biden's biggest antagonist. While Amy McGrath is doing gangbusters raising money, she's still a big underdog and McConnell is still very likely to win reelection. So the only way for Biden to get anything done would be to have McConnell out of the Majority Leader position (otherwise Biden will get very little done in his term). Right now, the Senate is 53-47 and the Democrats are likely to lose Doug Jones' seat in Alabama. Democrats need to win 5 seats to gain the majority, which is already difficult. Giving up Warren's seat to the Republicans means that they would need to win 6 seats which most pundits believe is virtually impossible. Giving up Warren's seat almost guarantees that McConnell will still be majority leader. That's a major blow to a Biden presidency. So I think that he's keeping her on the short list to keep the progressives on his side, but that he is really unlikely to pick her. |
Anonymous
Not to mention picking a white woman will really piss off a lot of AA and other Dem voters who believed Biden's promise to choose an AA female VP. |
Anonymous
I completely disagree. She is by far the best candidate for VP. Her experience is invaluable compared to a Junior senator, for example. |
Anonymous
You’re right, I think that makes a lot of sense and is an excellent fit for her. Your argument for Rice as head of State is similar to my argument for Kamala as AG. Better alignment of natural talent, office mission, and qualification for success in the role. Maybe that is why I subconsciously forgot to include her in my opinion on the VPs. 
Also, I like Duckworth a lot, but I don’t see her as any more qualified than Demings or the other candidates that are fairly new to this larger political arena. I do believe she can evoke a very strong emotional response because of her service and seeing character. I vacillate on whether her Asian ancestry would support or distract from the racial tensions that are just at a near full simmer in this country. |
Anonymous
PP here, and I think Bass would be a stronger VP than Rice. I like her demonstrated savvy in getting things done across the aisle. She can be effective as VP, and would also support without ego, and may even be willing to be a one term VP that would not seek presidency in 2024. |
Anonymous
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11:02 - I hold very similar observations.
That said, if the focus is the candidate that will get the most swing votes? Truly? It would be Cuomo. I know that won’t happen. But I think he would be a home run for a number of reasons that are irrelevant at this point since he is a man. Not my choice but I recognize that as a reality. Next up for swing votes? Whitmer. She is safe ground, palatable for most everyone, and every argument for Warren applies for her. We also know from support for Palin, who was nowhere near qualified, that swing voters would be comfortable with this. But Whitmer’s exécution as VP would be similar to most of the candidates closer to her age. She gets the swing votes but can she do the job? If selection is based on who can do the job best? That is more debatable, but I always consider the importance of relationship building as a critical presidential characteristic. Fires are raging now. RAGJNG. If someone has demonstrated a unique ability to reach resolution, and work across the aisle, that is who we need now stateside and global facing. The reason that I prioritize this quality is because it is rare to find someone broadly appealing, with that natural talent to cut through the muck and get things done. For that reason, Bass is really high on my radar. I don’t know that she would garner any passion from others, however, and I don’t know whether she would be perceived as likable by the majority of the people and the sheeple. |
Anonymous
Biden didn't promise to chose an AA VP. He promised to chose a woman - full stop. AA voters when polled said race should not be a factor in his selection. It would really piss me off if he chose Bass or Warren (both whom I like, but both are too old and win him no states). He should pick a governor - either Whitmer or Raimondo or Lujan (blond, green-eyed, Basque-origined Latina). |
Anonymous
| I’d love to hear any criticisms about Bass - what is the concern (outside of her age) that creates an avoidable risk? |