FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:6404 is Seema's SPA. Pretty clear they and 6401 should have gone to Westfield. They border Westfield neighborhoods and are very far away from CVHS.

100% agree.

who's going to stand up at the meeting and point out she lives in 6404 and 6404 was moved in fourteen different maps to WF?

I don’t think you are going to be able to revive an earlier proposal that would leave Centreville with only 1825 or so kids, if that’s what you have in mind. Westfield is freaking out about going down to 2083.

I don't think losing 100- 150 students has the same effect on classes, electives and staff as losing 600-700 students.

Overcrowding at Centreville was one of the reasons given for buying the new school. The current plan only moves out 70 kids and leaves it still overcrowded.

Centreville has lost 400 kids over the past few years. Pull several hundred more out as originally floated and the cumulative impact is equal to what may happen at Westfield, plus Centreville would have 300 fewer students.

You are not going to get what you want at Westfield by gutting Centreville.

Where did the 400 kids go? If that's just due to an aging population in the area, then expanding the capacity seems very foolish.

Over the long term, keeping high schools open and adding some capacity when schools are renovated has served FCPS better than closing high schools. That doesn’t mean Centreville still needs to be expanded to 3000, nor does it mean its enrollment should be reduced to 1800 now just so Westfield can remain at 2400.

The schools in the Skyview study do not exist in a vacuum meaning they are not in a school division comprised of 5 high schools that is opening a 6th school. So for Centreville that means considering what is going on with capacity at neighboring sites like Fairfax [97%] and Robinson 104% without the modular. Move east and Lake Braddock is 94% and then WS 114%.

Many people only care about their neighborhood /development but this lack of proposed changes into Westfield in the final scenario varies significantly from other scenarios. To the point that is it considered waste ?

B. Waste
Waste means the intentional or unintentional, thoughtless or careless expenditure,
consumption, mismanagement, use, or squandering of resources owned or operated by
FCPS to the detriment or potential detriment of FCPS. Waste also includes incurring
unnecessary costs because of inefficient or ineffective practices, systems, or controls

Unnecessary costs are items like double busing for AAP when FCPS successfully runs base school only AAP for MS at many sites. Trailers and modulars when there is existing capacity at sites. Since FCPS now decided to have AAP at all MS , nowhere was the roll out more important than any middle schools in the Skyview study. That includes 2 schools with the largest mass AAP movement in FCPS with Rocky Run number 1 at 270. All it's AAP feeder MS are in the scope of the Skyview study.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't Westfield have PTSA?

What are they doing?

I’m not on the PTA board but many of us are attempting to speak with elected officials and getting nowhere.

I am disappointed the Region 5 higher ups aren’t all over this. We need their support and aren’t getting it.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Seema posting on here lol

No-I think its Sully! She is super angry about the suggestion that Centreville doesn't need 3000 seats.

[Anonymous]

Observation:

If they move Walney Village and add Walney Oaks, Westfield's FARMS should not go up. In fact, they are losing a lot of FARMS kids. However, the addition of the Bull Run neighborhood in multifamily housing a long with Chantilly Mews, is questionable. They should move other Bull Run neighborhoods along with Walney Oaks area and leave the Chantilly Mews at Chantilly. That is reasonable and fair. The Walney area is halfway between the two schools. That Bull Run area between 29 and 66 is also about halfway.

Westfield should be in good shape if they do this. I don't understand why they haven't proposed it.

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Anonymous wrote:CVHS capacity is only 1943 without trailers.

1800-1900 students sounds perfect for the size of the building.

And too small compared to other FCPS high schools and given the longstanding plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

What's the justification for expanding with all the excess capacity now? Just for fun?

Prudent longer-term planning and in Centreville’s case it also allows FCPS to be less dependent on another jurisdiction’s continued whims when it comes to allowing county students to attend a school owned by that jurisdiction.

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Anonymous wrote:6404 is Seema's SPA. Pretty clear they and 6401 should have gone to Westfield. They border Westfield neighborhoods and are very far away from CVHS.

100% agree.

who's going to stand up at the meeting and point out she lives in 6404 and 6404 was moved in fourteen different maps to WF?

I don’t think you are going to be able to revive an earlier proposal that would leave Centreville with only 1825 or so kids, if that’s what you have in mind. Westfield is freaking out about going down to 2083.

I don't think losing 100- 150 students has the same effect on classes, electives and staff as losing 600-700 students.

Overcrowding at Centreville was one of the reasons given for buying the new school. The current plan only moves out 70 kids and leaves it still overcrowded.

Centreville has lost 400 kids over the past few years. Pull several hundred more out as originally floated and the cumulative impact is equal to what may happen at Westfield, plus Centreville would have 300 fewer students.

You are not going to get what you want at Westfield by gutting Centreville.

Where did the 400 kids go? If that's just due to an aging population in the area, then expanding the capacity seems very foolish.

Over the long term, keeping high schools open and adding some capacity when schools are renovated has served FCPS better than closing high schools. That doesn’t mean Centreville still needs to be expanded to 3000, nor does it mean its enrollment should be reduced to 1800 now just so Westfield can remain at 2400.

The schools in the Skyview study do not exist in a vacuum meaning they are not in a school division comprised of 5 high schools that is opening a 6th school. So for Centreville that means considering what is going on with capacity at neighboring sites like Fairfax [97%] and Robinson 104% without the modular. Move east and Lake Braddock is 94% and then WS 114%.

Many people only care about their neighborhood /development but this lack of proposed changes into Westfield in the final scenario varies significantly from other scenarios. To the point that is it considered waste ?

B. Waste
Waste means the intentional or unintentional, thoughtless or careless expenditure,
consumption, mismanagement, use, or squandering of resources owned or operated by
FCPS to the detriment or potential detriment of FCPS. Waste also includes incurring
unnecessary costs because of inefficient or ineffective practices, systems, or controls

Unnecessary costs are items like double busing for AAP when FCPS successfully runs base school only AAP for MS at many sites. Trailers and modulars when there is existing capacity at sites. Since FCPS now decided to have AAP at all MS , nowhere was the roll out more important than any middle schools in the Skyview study. That includes 2 schools with the largest mass AAP movement in FCPS with Rocky Run number 1 at 270. All its AAP feeder MS are in the scope of the Skyview study.

Word salad lady is back!

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't Westfield have PTSA?

What are they doing?

I think it has PTSD, not a PTSA.

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Anonymous wrote:CVHS capacity is only 1943 without trailers.

1800-1900 students sounds perfect for the size of the building.

And too small compared to other FCPS high schools and given the longstanding plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

What's the justification for expanding with all the excess capacity now? Just for fun?

Prudent longer-term planning and in Centreville’s case it also allows FCPS to be less dependent on another jurisdiction’s continued whims when it comes to allowing county students to attend a school owned by that jurisdiction.

That area of Centreville is pretty built out. Are there projections expecting an enormous influx of students? Adding a thousand excess seats when there are 800 excess seats as Westfield is not financially prudent without demostrated need.

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That neighborhood behind Centreville should be assigned there instead of Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:CVHS capacity is only 1943 without trailers.

1800-1900 students sounds perfect for the size of the building.

And too small compared to other FCPS high schools and given the longstanding plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

What's the justification for expanding with all the excess capacity now? Just for fun?

Prudent longer-term planning and in Centreville’s case it also allows FCPS to be less dependent on another jurisdiction’s continued whims when it comes to allowing county students to attend a school owned by that jurisdiction.

That area of Centreville is pretty built out. Are there projections expecting an enormous influx of students? Adding a thousand excess seats when there are 800 excess seats as Westfield is not financially prudent without demostrated need.

Renovating and expanding to 2400 to 2500 probably makes the most sense.

If facilities decisions were only made based on existing enrollments at a particular point in time they’d have closed Marshall in the 1990s and then they’d have been totally up the creek without a paddle later.

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What are the issues with the "lease" (??) of the land Centreville is on? That sounds kind of weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Centreville is expanded, the capacity won't be there until the next round of boundary adjustments. They can't even reach an agreement with the county on the plans. Extra seats there are many years away.

Centreville is not that overcrowded now (under 105%) and emptying it out would reduce the pressure to do what FCPS should have done already, which is reach an agreement with the Park Authority to renew the lease that allows for the current/planned student populations.

So you don't think anyone should be moved out of Centreville?

I would not move more than 75-100 kids out of Centreville without offsetting it with kids moved to Centreville from Chantilly.

1. Theres no need to move kids into Centreville. It's already over capacity.

2. The southernmost part of Chantilly boundary is still closer to Chantilly than Centreville in both time and distance.

3. We are not adding more split feeders.

Moving kids from Chantilly to Centreville is so illogical, that I think pp mistyped and meant, there needs to be more kids moved from Chantilly to Westfield. Which makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The "final" scenario has centreville at 101% capacity with 2118 students **in a building that only holds 2098 students**

(Leaving CVHS with around 1850-1900 students would put it exactly in FCPS's right size guidelines for building capacity BTW).

It has Westfield with 2083 students at 74% capacity in a building that holds 2800+ students. (And this includes the Brookfield walkers who everyone agrees should be moved back to Chantilly)

It has Chantilly with 2642 students at 99% capacity in a building that holds 2649 students.

These numbers are ridiculous. They need to pull more kids out of Chantilly and Centreville.

Once more for those of you in the back, students are not fungible.

Sure they are. Same school system.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the issues with the "lease" (??) of the land Centreville is on? That sounds kind of weird.

FCPS leased adjacent land from the Park Authority to have the acreage at Centreville required to allow under zoning laws for a concentration of students at that location. The lease expired and FCPS has dragged its heals renegotiating it.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Centreville is expanded, the capacity won't be there until the next round of boundary adjustments. They can't even reach an agreement with the county on the plans. Extra seats there are many years away.

Centreville is not that overcrowded now (under 105%) and emptying it out would reduce the pressure to do what FCPS should have done already, which is reach an agreement with the Park Authority to renew the lease that allows for the current/planned student populations.

So you don't think anyone should be moved out of Centreville?

I would not move more than 75-100 kids out of Centreville without offsetting it with kids moved to Centreville from Chantilly.

1. Theres no need to move kids into Centreville. It's already over capacity.

2. The southernmost part of Chantilly boundary is still closer to Chantilly than Centreville in both time and distance.

3. We are not adding more split feeders.

Moving kids from Chantilly to Centreville is so illogical, that I think pp mistyped and meant, there needs to be more kids moved from Chantilly to Westfield. Which makes sense.

They could move more kids from
Chantilly to Westfield but the prior suggestion was to move substantially more kids to Westfield from Centreville, which shouldn’t happen unless Centreville is also picking up kids from another school.