FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Centreville is expanded, the capacity won't be there until the next round of boundary adjustments. They can't even reach an agreement with the county on the plans. Extra seats there are many years away.

Centreville is not that overcrowded now (under 105%) and emptying it out would reduce the pressure to do what FCPS should have done already, which is reach an agreement with the Park Authority to renew the lease that allows for the current/planned student populations.

So you don't want to reduce overcrowding at Centreville--one of the reasons the new school was purchased--so you can keep pressure on FCPS to spend a fortune giving you a brand new school with a thousand unfillable seats? When there are 800 open seats right next door at Westfield?

Fascinating.

Not a very sympathetic position.

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Anonymous wrote:6404 is Seema's SPA. Pretty clear they and 6401 should have gone to Westfield. They border Westfield neighborhoods and are very far away from CVHS.

100% agree.

who's going to stand up at the meeting and point out she lives in 6404 and 6404 was moved in fourteen different maps to WF?

I don’t think you are going to be able to revive an earlier proposal that would leave Centreville with only 1825 or so kids, if that’s what you have in mind. Westfield is freaking out about going down to 2083.

I don't think losing 100- 150 students has the same effect on classes, electives and staff as losing 600-700 students.

Overcrowding at Centreville was one of the reasons given for buying the new school. The current plan only moves out 70 kids and leaves it still overcrowded.

Centreville has lost 400 kids over the past few years. Pull several hundred more out as originally floated and the cumulative impact is equal to what may happen at Westfield, plus Centreville would have 300 fewer students.

You are not going to get what you want at Westfield by gutting Centreville.

Where did the 400 kids go? If that's just due to an aging population in the area, then expanding the capacity seems very foolish.

Over the long term, keeping high schools open and adding some capacity when schools are renovated has served FCPS better than closing high schools. That doesn’t mean Centreville still needs to be expanded to 3000, nor does it mean its enrollment should be reduced to 1800 now just so Westfield can remain at 2400.

Westfield had 2750 students this year.

Correct. And it’s going to lose hundreds of kids because Skyview sits in the current Westfield boundary.

The latest proposal takes it down to 2083, and some here want to keep it around 2400 by moving so many Centreville kids to backfill Westfield that CVHS would end around 1800.

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Anonymous wrote:6404 is Seema's SPA. Pretty clear they and 6401 should have gone to Westfield. They border Westfield neighborhoods and are very far away from CVHS.

100% agree.

who's going to stand up at the meeting and point out she lives in 6404 and 6404 was moved in fourteen different maps to WF?

I don’t think you are going to be able to revive an earlier proposal that would leave Centreville with only 1825 or so kids, if that’s what you have in mind. Westfield is freaking out about going down to 2083.

I don't think losing 100- 150 students has the same effect on classes, electives and staff as losing 600-700 students.

Overcrowding at Centreville was one of the reasons given for buying the new school. The current plan only moves out 70 kids and leaves it still overcrowded.

Centreville has lost 400 kids over the past few years. Pull several hundred more out as originally floated and the cumulative impact is equal to what may happen at Westfield, plus Centreville would have 300 fewer students.

You are not going to get what you want at Westfield by gutting Centreville.

Where did the 400 kids go? If that's just due to an aging population in the area, then expanding the capacity seems very foolish.

Over the long term, keeping high schools open and adding some capacity when schools are renovated has served FCPS better than closing high schools. That doesn’t mean Centreville still needs to be expanded to 3000, nor does it mean its enrollment should be reduced to 1800 now just so Westfield can remain at 2400.

Westfield had 2750 students this year.

Correct. And it’s going to lose hundreds of kids because Skyview sits in the current Westfield boundary.

The latest proposal takes it down to 2083, and some here want to keep it around 2400 by moving so many Centreville kids to backfill Westfield that CVHS would end around 1800.

That would put both Westfield and CVHS in the correct range for building utilization. Westfield's would still be low, of course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Centreville is expanded, the capacity won't be there until the next round of boundary adjustments. They can't even reach an agreement with the county on the plans. Extra seats there are many years away.

Centreville is not that overcrowded now (under 105%) and emptying it out would reduce the pressure to do what FCPS should have done already, which is reach an agreement with the Park Authority to renew the lease that allows for the current/planned student populations.

So you don't think anyone should be moved out of Centreville?

I would not move more than 75-100 kids out of Centreville without offsetting it with kids moved to Centreville from Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

CVHS capacity is only 1943 without trailers.

1800-1900 students sounds perfect for the size of the building.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Centreville is expanded, the capacity won't be there until the next round of boundary adjustments. They can't even reach an agreement with the county on the plans. Extra seats there are many years away.

Centreville is not that overcrowded now (under 105%) and emptying it out would reduce the pressure to do what FCPS should have done already, which is reach an agreement with the Park Authority to renew the lease that allows for the current/planned student populations.

So you don't think anyone should be moved out of Centreville?

I would not move more than 75-100 kids out of Centreville without offsetting it with kids moved to Centreville from Chantilly.

Which areas do you think should be moved out of Centreville?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if Centreville is expanded, the capacity won't be there until the next round of boundary adjustments. They can't even reach an agreement with the county on the plans. Extra seats there are many years away.

Centreville is not that overcrowded now (under 105%) and emptying it out would reduce the pressure to do what FCPS should have done already, which is reach an agreement with the Park Authority to renew the lease that allows for the current/planned student populations.

So you don't think anyone should be moved out of Centreville?

I would not move more than 75-100 kids out of Centreville without offsetting it with kids moved to Centreville from Chantilly.

1. Theres no need to move kids into Centreville. It's already over capacity.

2. The southernmost part of Chantilly boundary is still closer to Chantilly than Centreville in both time and distance.

3. We are not adding more split feeders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "final" scenario has centreville at 101% capacity with 2118 students **in a building that only holds 2098 students**

(Leaving CVHS with around 1850-1900 students would put it exactly in FCPS's right size guidelines for building capacity BTW).

It has Westfield with 2083 students at 74% capacity in a building that holds 2800+ students. (And this includes the Brookfield walkers who everyone agrees should be moved back to Chantilly)

It has Chantilly with 2642 students at 99% capacity in a building that holds 2649 students.

These numbers are ridiculous. They need to pull more kids out of Chantilly and Centreville.

Once more for those of you in the back, students are not fungible.

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Anonymous wrote:6404 is Seema's SPA. Pretty clear they and 6401 should have gone to Westfield. They border Westfield neighborhoods and are very far away from CVHS.

100% agree.

who's going to stand up at the meeting and point out she lives in 6404 and 6404 was moved in fourteen different maps to WF?

I don’t think you are going to be able to revive an earlier proposal that would leave Centreville with only 1825 or so kids, if that’s what you have in mind. Westfield is freaking out about going down to 2083.

I don't think losing 100- 150 students has the same effect on classes, electives and staff as losing 600-700 students.

Overcrowding at Centreville was one of the reasons given for buying the new school. The current plan only moves out 70 kids and leaves it still overcrowded.

Centreville has lost 400 kids over the past few years. Pull several hundred more out as originally floated and the cumulative impact is equal to what may happen at Westfield, plus Centreville would have 300 fewer students.

You are not going to get what you want at Westfield by gutting Centreville.

Where did the 400 kids go? If that's just due to an aging population in the area, then expanding the capacity seems very foolish.

Over the long term, keeping high schools open and adding some capacity when schools are renovated has served FCPS better than closing high schools. That doesn’t mean Centreville still needs to be expanded to 3000, nor does it mean its enrollment should be reduced to 1800 now just so Westfield can remain at 2400.

Westfield had 2750 students this year.

Correct. And it’s going to lose hundreds of kids because Skyview sits in the current Westfield boundary.

The latest proposal takes it down to 2083, and some here want to keep it around 2400 by moving so many Centreville kids to backfill Westfield that CVHS would end around 1800.

That would put both Westfield and CVHS in the correct range for building utilization. Westfield's would still be low, of course.

Fetishizing building utilization and ignoring enrollments perpetuates a system where kids at larger schools have access to a wider breadth of courses and extra-curricular activities.

I honestly don’t understand what you think you’re going to gain by trying to revive the initial proposals for “Western” that were superseded by the later proposals for Skyview. One can question whether the areas being moved from Centreville to Westfield are the appropriate areas to reassign but you’re barking up a tree to think they are now going to move significantly more CVHS kids than contemplated in what’s described as the “Final Scenario.”

[Anonymous]

Doesn't Westfield have PTSA?

What are they doing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:6404 is Seema's SPA. Pretty clear they and 6401 should have gone to Westfield. They border Westfield neighborhoods and are very far away from CVHS.

100% agree.

who's going to stand up at the meeting and point out she lives in 6404 and 6404 was moved in fourteen different maps to WF?

I don’t think you are going to be able to revive an earlier proposal that would leave Centreville with only 1825 or so kids, if that’s what you have in mind. Westfield is freaking out about going down to 2083.

I don't think losing 100- 150 students has the same effect on classes, electives and staff as losing 600-700 students.

Overcrowding at Centreville was one of the reasons given for buying the new school. The current plan only moves out 70 kids and leaves it still overcrowded.

Centreville has lost 400 kids over the past few years. Pull several hundred more out as originally floated and the cumulative impact is equal to what may happen at Westfield, plus Centreville would have 300 fewer students.

You are not going to get what you want at Westfield by gutting Centreville.

Where did the 400 kids go? If that's just due to an aging population in the area, then expanding the capacity seems very foolish.

Over the long term, keeping high schools open and adding some capacity when schools are renovated has served FCPS better than closing high schools. That doesn’t mean Centreville still needs to be expanded to 3000, nor does it mean its enrollment should be reduced to 1800 now just so Westfield can remain at 2400.

Westfield had 2750 students this year.

Correct. And it’s going to lose hundreds of kids because Skyview sits in the current Westfield boundary.

The latest proposal takes it down to 2083, and some here want to keep it around 2400 by moving so many Centreville kids to backfill Westfield that CVHS would end around 1800.

Isn't there a lot of construction in the proposed Westfield boundaries? They are probably hoping that helps get the numbers up organically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CVHS capacity is only 1943 without trailers.

1800-1900 students sounds perfect for the size of the building.

And too small compared to other FCPS high schools and given the longstanding plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

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The projections are supposed to have new construction baked in, I thought?

Stone is at 99% in the last proposal. There is no room there for any "new construction popular bump".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CVHS capacity is only 1943 without trailers.

1800-1900 students sounds perfect for the size of the building.

And too small compared to other FCPS high schools and given the longstanding plan to renovate and expand Centreville.

What's the justification for expanding with all the excess capacity now? Just for fun?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't Westfield have PTSA?

What are they doing?

Well, aren't half of them being moved to Skyview?