FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Were any of those other schools selected by FCPS to lose 700 students in 2 years? I am not familiar with all of the areas.

Chantilly is slated to lose 600 students over the same period that Westfield might shed 700. They've pulled 400 out of McLean since 2021.

Be that as it may, staffing levels are going to be driven by the number of students currently at a school, not how many were there in past years. And none of these schools are likely going to lose all those kids in two years due to boundary changes, given the grandfathering of current HS students with transportation.

Further, Skyview will need new teachers, just as some other schools won't be able to support as many.

That's literally why pp said, a special formula for this particular hot mess FCPS decided to make.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Sounds like you would prefer if FCPS would just move enough kids back into Westfield to avoid having to fix the mess they are making. A reasonable position.

You still haven't articulated any clear reason why Westfield would deserve special treatment when it comes to staffing levels. Feel free to keep trying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know I appreciate that Westfield parents haven't been at every meeting for the past year complaining. They seemed fine to take any regular mix of kids, and only became unhappy when the projected enrollment dipped well below every previous estimate. I think that behavior is reasonable.

The point is that it's unclear that Westfield parents are engaging in any manner reasonably designed to have an actual impact. If you've ever heard a SB member talk about this forum, it's not positive.

They really have no leg to stand on if their complaint is that they'd be left with more kids than nine other high schools. If they think the post-Skyview demographic mix won't support strong academics and extra-curriculars (and I hope it's more than just thinking they need to have 2300 or 2400 kids for dominant sports teams), they have to step up to the plate and make that argument.

As long as FCPS is prepared to keep a school with lower capacity utilization open, that just means more square footage per student, which while not the most important thing is a relative luxury.

FCPS told parents to leave comments on the boundary tool. To be fair, there were a lot of "red" comments in the Westfield area and the Walney Oaks area--I assume those were Westfield parents (and this was BEFORE they put out the final, uncommentable scenario which was even worse for Westfield.

My personal hero is whoever left the comment right above Seema's house. Not all heros wear capes.

[Anonymous]

Losing all of your young teachers is a death sentence for a school. Those people teach all the classes no one else wants and pickup all the after school jobs no one will do. The loss of all of these young teachers will not only cripple the academics, but also the afterschool programs as well. What the county should do is amend the D staff rules and allow the principal to keep who they want rather than who was the least experienced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Sounds like you would prefer if FCPS would just move enough kids back into Westfield to avoid having to fix the mess they are making. A reasonable position.

You still haven't articulated any clear reason why Westfield would deserve special treatment when it comes to staffing levels. Feel free to keep trying.

Who at Westfield hurt you, pp? You seem a little unhinged.

[Anonymous]

I've never seen anyone argue so tirelessly and for so long in favor of screwing a bunch of kids she doesn't know over. I'm a little baffled by her motivation. Is it Seema herself?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Were any of those other schools selected by FCPS to lose 700 students in 2 years? I am not familiar with all of the areas.

I agree, its not the number of students left (albeit absurd and wasteful for such a large building), its losing so many students/teachers/classes in such a short time, all by design by FCPS. It’s literally a problem FCPS chose to create for the Westfield students. It’s completely different than an overcrowded school like Centreville or Chantilly having students shifted out.

+1

Yep. Pottery Barn Rule- you break it, you buy it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Were any of those other schools selected by FCPS to lose 700 students in 2 years? I am not familiar with all of the areas.

Chantilly is losing 640 or so per the boundary tool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Were any of those other schools selected by FCPS to lose 700 students in 2 years? I am not familiar with all of the areas.

Chantilly is slated to lose 600 students over the same period that Westfield might shed 700. They've pulled 400 out of McLean since 2021.

Be that as it may, staffing levels are going to be driven by the number of students currently at a school, not how many were there in past years. And none of these schools are likely going to lose all those kids in two years due to boundary changes, given the grandfathering of current HS students with transportation.

Further, Skyview will need new teachers, just as some other schools won't be able to support as many.

That's literally why pp said, a special formula for this particular hot mess FCPS decided to make.

That is not the inference to be drawn. By "currently" I mean the number of students at the school in the particular year, so staffing levels in 2026-27 should be based on expected 2026-27 enrollment, not the enrollment in prior years.

And, of course, FCPS will never agree that it created a "hot mess" by deciding to buy KAA and open Skyview. It is only interested in flowers, and the superintendent charged with coming up with a plan for Skyview's boundaries and the related adjustments is about to get another raise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Were any of those other schools selected by FCPS to lose 700 students in 2 years? I am not familiar with all of the areas.

Chantilly is losing 640 or so per the boundary tool.

That's offset by picking up 40 or so from Fairfax, so it nets to about 600.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Were any of those other schools selected by FCPS to lose 700 students in 2 years? I am not familiar with all of the areas.

Chantilly is losing 640 or so per the boundary tool.

But they are being left with enough students and have a low enough FARMs rate that its unlikely to have a negative result for their academic programing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Sounds like you would prefer if FCPS would just move enough kids back into Westfield to avoid having to fix the mess they are making. A reasonable position.

You still haven't articulated any clear reason why Westfield would deserve special treatment when it comes to staffing levels. Feel free to keep trying.

Who at Westfield hurt you, pp? You seem a little unhinged.

Thanks for contributing nothing.

[Anonymous]

What's the story with the 40 kids from Fairfax? That is very odd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield PTA should be asking for special concessions from FCPS on their school's staffing formulas to try and keep at least some of their classes and teachers. FCPS isn't going to give them a reasonable number of students bc they are too cowardly, so they might be willing to throw some money at the problem instead.

I agree and I think this is probably the best they are going to get. Even only having to fill a class with 20 kids instead of 32 to run the class would be hugely helpful to keeping some electives and AP classes (although they will be losing many, many teachers and courses either way).

Why would Westfield get a special accommodation when high schools that stand to lose students due to upcoming boundary changes include Centreville, Chantilly, Fairfax, South Lakes, Marshall, McLean, Justice, and West Potomac?

Or, if the anticipated enrollment (2083) at Westfield is the basis for the suggestion, what about the schools that are projected to have fewer students, which include Herndon, Marshall, South County, Falls Church, South Lakes, Annandale, Mount Vernon, Skyview, and Lewis?

Sounds like you would prefer if FCPS would just move enough kids back into Westfield to avoid having to fix the mess they are making. A reasonable position.

You still haven't articulated any clear reason why Westfield would deserve special treatment when it comes to staffing levels. Feel free to keep trying.

Who at Westfield hurt you, pp? You seem a little unhinged.

Thanks for contributing nothing.

Ditto!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's the story with the 40 kids from Fairfax? That is very odd.

I assume Reid's cousin lives there, or something.