US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

We have acted and all Putin does is escalate. I’m not sure what additional actions you mean?

What's the alternative, just let Putin keep conquering and destabilizing? This needs to come to an end, and that end cannot mean Putin winning.

Cut off his money supply - which is oil. Stop buying oil from Russia and sanction sales.
And, give Ukraine more lethal weapons to give them at least a chance.

The sanctions are meaningless if they don’t include energy. Oil production and exports from Russia have not slowed since the invasion started. Do people realize this? If we want to help Ukraine we need to stop consuming so much gas and be prepared to pay high prices at the pump.

Or, we could actually increase our supply and help out Europe by providing the oil that they have bought from Russia.
And, we need to stop buying oil from Russia.....

Well, we knew this to be true. What was especially shameful was the unwillingness to stop even after Putin invaded Ukraine, trying to assure the public that these sections won't impact energy prices. I am critical of Biden taking us back to energy dependence on foreign sources but I would have gladly met the consequences of cutting off Russian oil flow. They are so tone deaf.

How exactly did Biden take “us back to energy dependence on foreign sources “? And which foreign sources are these?

Yes, I know about Google, but assertions like that really need to be supported with specifics— if they’re going to be taken seriously.

Republicans want to drill on federal lands and restart the Keystone pipeline.

There are plenty of non-Federal lands to drill on. Keystone won't process fuel for vehicles and isn't even built yet. I'd don't buy any of these arguments because none of these actions would lower oil prices or inflation today. Or even next year.

You know what wrecked America's energy production? COVID-19, when oil was selling for negative dollars for first time in recorded history. Also, the huge amount of Boomers retiring and people dying from COVID which is leading to labor shortages.

US oil companies have pumped the oil that is easy and relatively inexpensive to extract. Offshore oil and shale oil are more expensive, so when prices are high they are worth the cost but when prices are low they are not. It doesn’t matter who is President or who controls Congress, it is about the prices determined by global supply and demand dynamics and not a function of domestic politics.

[Anonymous]

I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

[Anonymous]

I think one option for the West is to hit Belarus hard with ordinance and fighter jets. Make it a surprise attack, before Russia can move nuclear weapons and more manpower into the country. Their military is a lot weaker than Russia.

If you pound them into submission through the air, it will really distract Russia and Belarussian military.

Further, hitting Belarus is not a direct attack on Russia. This matters, especially if we are trying to leverage Putin onto an off-ramp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think one option for the West is to hit Belarus hard with ordinance and fighter jets. Make it a surprise attack, before Russia can move nuclear weapons and more manpower into the country. Their military is a lot weaker than Russia.

If you pound them into submission through the air, it will really distract Russia and Belarussian military.

Further, hitting Belarus is not a direct attack on Russia. This matters, especially if we are trying to leverage Putin onto an off-ramp.

You really need to step away from discussions if you're going to spout off nonsense.

A. NATO will NEVER be the first aggressor in this conflict, because they hold themselves to higher standards. Belarus has not attacked any NATO country, they do not deserve to be attacked. Period.

B. NATO recognizes that they are dealing with a potentially volatile Putin who may or may not be ready to go nuclear. Now is not the time to stray from the rules of engagement.

[Anonymous]

Lukashenko this morning; yes we are dealing with lunatics.

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

We have acted and all Putin does is escalate. I’m not sure what additional actions you mean?

What's the alternative, just let Putin keep conquering and destabilizing? This needs to come to an end, and that end cannot mean Putin winning.

Cut off his money supply - which is oil. Stop buying oil from Russia and sanction sales.
And, give Ukraine more lethal weapons to give them at least a chance.

The sanctions are meaningless if they don’t include energy. Oil production and exports from Russia have not slowed since the invasion started. Do people realize this? If we want to help Ukraine we need to stop consuming so much gas and be prepared to pay high prices at the pump.

Or, we could actually increase our supply and help out Europe by providing the oil that they have bought from Russia.
And, we need to stop buying oil from Russia.....

Well, we knew this to be true. What was especially shameful was the unwillingness to stop even after Putin invaded Ukraine, trying to assure the public that these sections won't impact energy prices. I am critical of Biden taking us back to energy dependence on foreign sources but I would have gladly met the consequences of cutting off Russian oil flow. They are so tone deaf.

How exactly did Biden take “us back to energy dependence on foreign sources “? And which foreign sources are these?

Yes, I know about Google, but assertions like that really need to be supported with specifics— if they’re going to be taken seriously.

Republicans want to drill on federal lands and restart the Keystone pipeline.

There are plenty of non-Federal lands to drill on. Keystone won't process fuel for vehicles and isn't even built yet. I'd don't buy any of these arguments because none of these actions would lower oil prices or inflation today. Or even next year.

You know what wrecked America's energy production? COVID-19, when oil was selling for negative dollars for first time in recorded history. Also, the huge amount of Boomers retiring and people dying from COVID which is leading to labor shortages.

Biden has done plenty to make oil and gas exploration difficult in the US.
This article is over a year old.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2021/01/28/biden-opens-new-fronts-in-his-war-on-us-oil-and-gas/?sh=3d910f187d9b

Regarding the promised fracking ban, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the Biden people have decided that a direct ban would become too politically costly in oil producing states like New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Colorado, and will likely instead attempt to accomplish the same net result via other administrative means. The moratorium on new leasing and permitting on federal lands and waters is one of those means, especially should the Biden Department of Interior (DOI) continue to extend it over the coming four years. As I pointed out in previous pieces, political appointees and career bureaucrats at the various bureaus within the DOI which control the leasing and permitting processes have all manner of means to slow or halt any company’s ability to get its business done on the leases it already owned before the moratorium took effect.

The point being that you don’t have to outright “ban” fracking in order to slow or stop it from happening.

Now, about those industry-specific tax treatments... - Another way to slow or halt drilling and fracking is to use the power of government to deplete the amount of industry capital available to fund the operations. In his very next breath following his remarks about the fracking ban, the President said this: “Unlike previous administrations, I don’t think the federal government should give handouts to ‘big oil’ to the tune of $40 billion in fossil fuels subsidies. I’m going to be going to the congress, asking them to eliminate those subsidies.”

Thus does President Biden trot out the tiresome Obama-era canard alleging that “big oil” gets $40 billion in subsidies from the federal government.

Several things to note about this:

The oil industry simply does not receive “subsidies” or “handouts” from the federal government. Those are specific words with specific meanings, and they do not apply to any industry-specific tax treatment in the IRS Code.
The number Biden quotes is not an annual number, although it is often misconstrued to be so in the press and by activists. It is in fact the same 10-year composite value that the Obama administration attributed in 2009 to every industry-specific tax treatment currently in the tax code. Of that $4 billion per year, the vast majority comes from deductions for percentage depletion or intangible drilling costs, two deductions that have been a part of the tax code since 1913

Then there is this....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/24/biden-climate-gas-prices-russia-sanctions/

But on taking office, Biden squandered the position of strength he inherited from Trump. He prioritized climate change over energy independence and launched a policy of energy disarmament. Biden rejoined the Paris agreement and canceled the Keystone XL pipeline, which by itself would have transported 830,000 barrels of oil per day from Alberta to refineries on the Gulf Coast of Texas — far more than the 538,000 barrels we import every day from Russia). He suspended oil and gas leases in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and sought to deliver on his campaign promise to ban all “new oil and gas permitting on public lands and waters.” And he made clear his intention to tax and regulate the fossil fuel industry out of business, promising that his administration would “end fossil fuel.”
These policies have backfired — undermining the United States in its confrontation with Russia today. Thanks to Biden’s climate policies, and the record inflation his administration has helped unleash, the price of gasoline has risen from an average of $2.38 a gallon under Trump to $3.53 today — the largest year-over-year price rises in at least 30 years. That leaves little room to absorb the impact of massive oil and gas sanctions on Russia. The highest U.S. price for a gallon of regular gas has been $4.11. If Biden were to impose the kinds of crippling energy sanctions required to truly punish Russia, prices could rise far higher.

And more:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-wage-war-on-us-oil-and-gas-industry-rep-pete-sessions
https://nypost.com/2021/12/05/the-costs-of-bidens-war-on-oil-include-higher-gas-prices/
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/biden-suspends-oil-and-gas-drilling-in-series-of.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/585532-bidens-renewable-energy-rush-is-making-gas-prices-skyrocket
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/595706-biden-not-putin-to-blame-for-higher-gas-prices

There are a plethora of pieces about Biden's war on gas and oil and how it has made us more energy dependent and led to higher prices.

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

We have acted and all Putin does is escalate. I’m not sure what additional actions you mean?

What's the alternative, just let Putin keep conquering and destabilizing? This needs to come to an end, and that end cannot mean Putin winning.

Cut off his money supply - which is oil. Stop buying oil from Russia and sanction sales.
And, give Ukraine more lethal weapons to give them at least a chance.

The sanctions are meaningless if they don’t include energy. Oil production and exports from Russia have not slowed since the invasion started. Do people realize this? If we want to help Ukraine we need to stop consuming so much gas and be prepared to pay high prices at the pump.

Or, we could actually increase our supply and help out Europe by providing the oil that they have bought from Russia.
And, we need to stop buying oil from Russia.....

Well, we knew this to be true. What was especially shameful was the unwillingness to stop even after Putin invaded Ukraine, trying to assure the public that these sections won't impact energy prices. I am critical of Biden taking us back to energy dependence on foreign sources but I would have gladly met the consequences of cutting off Russian oil flow. They are so tone deaf.

How exactly did Biden take “us back to energy dependence on foreign sources “? And which foreign sources are these?

Yes, I know about Google, but assertions like that really need to be supported with specifics— if they’re going to be taken seriously.

Republicans want to drill on federal lands and restart the Keystone pipeline.

There are plenty of non-Federal lands to drill on. Keystone won't process fuel for vehicles and isn't even built yet. I'd don't buy any of these arguments because none of these actions would lower oil prices or inflation today. Or even next year.

You know what wrecked America's energy production? COVID-19, when oil was selling for negative dollars for first time in recorded history. Also, the huge amount of Boomers retiring and people dying from COVID which is leading to labor shortages.

Biden has done plenty to make oil and gas exploration difficult in the US.
This article is over a year old.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2021/01/28/biden-opens-new-fronts-in-his-war-on-us-oil-and-gas/?sh=3d910f187d9b

Regarding the promised fracking ban, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the Biden people have decided that a direct ban would become too politically costly in oil producing states like New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Colorado, and will likely instead attempt to accomplish the same net result via other administrative means. The moratorium on new leasing and permitting on federal lands and waters is one of those means, especially should the Biden Department of Interior (DOI) continue to extend it over the coming four years. As I pointed out in previous pieces, political appointees and career bureaucrats at the various bureaus within the DOI which control the leasing and permitting processes have all manner of means to slow or halt any company’s ability to get its business done on the leases it already owned before the moratorium took effect.

The point being that you don’t have to outright “ban” fracking in order to slow or stop it from happening.

Now, about those industry-specific tax treatments... - Another way to slow or halt drilling and fracking is to use the power of government to deplete the amount of industry capital available to fund the operations. In his very next breath following his remarks about the fracking ban, the President said this: “Unlike previous administrations, I don’t think the federal government should give handouts to ‘big oil’ to the tune of $40 billion in fossil fuels subsidies. I’m going to be going to the congress, asking them to eliminate those subsidies.”

Thus does President Biden trot out the tiresome Obama-era canard alleging that “big oil” gets $40 billion in subsidies from the federal government.

Several things to note about this:

The oil industry simply does not receive “subsidies” or “handouts” from the federal government. Those are specific words with specific meanings, and they do not apply to any industry-specific tax treatment in the IRS Code.
The number Biden quotes is not an annual number, although it is often misconstrued to be so in the press and by activists. It is in fact the same 10-year composite value that the Obama administration attributed in 2009 to every industry-specific tax treatment currently in the tax code. Of that $4 billion per year, the vast majority comes from deductions for percentage depletion or intangible drilling costs, two deductions that have been a part of the tax code since 1913

Then there is this....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/24/biden-climate-gas-prices-russia-sanctions/

But on taking office, Biden squandered the position of strength he inherited from Trump. He prioritized climate change over energy independence and launched a policy of energy disarmament. Biden rejoined the Paris agreement and canceled the Keystone XL pipeline, which by itself would have transported 830,000 barrels of oil per day from Alberta to refineries on the Gulf Coast of Texas — far more than the 538,000 barrels we import every day from Russia). He suspended oil and gas leases in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and sought to deliver on his campaign promise to ban all “new oil and gas permitting on public lands and waters.” And he made clear his intention to tax and regulate the fossil fuel industry out of business, promising that his administration would “end fossil fuel.”
These policies have backfired — undermining the United States in its confrontation with Russia today. Thanks to Biden’s climate policies, and the record inflation his administration has helped unleash, the price of gasoline has risen from an average of $2.38 a gallon under Trump to $3.53 today — the largest year-over-year price rises in at least 30 years. That leaves little room to absorb the impact of massive oil and gas sanctions on Russia. The highest U.S. price for a gallon of regular gas has been $4.11. If Biden were to impose the kinds of crippling energy sanctions required to truly punish Russia, prices could rise far higher.

And more:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-wage-war-on-us-oil-and-gas-industry-rep-pete-sessions
https://nypost.com/2021/12/05/the-costs-of-bidens-war-on-oil-include-higher-gas-prices/
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/biden-suspends-oil-and-gas-drilling-in-series-of.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/585532-bidens-renewable-energy-rush-is-making-gas-prices-skyrocket
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/595706-biden-not-putin-to-blame-for-higher-gas-prices

There are a plethora of pieces about Biden's war on gas and oil and how it has made us more energy dependent and led to higher prices.

How many barrels of oil were we producing at the end of the Trump Administration vs. when Trump took office? Very simple question, let me know the answer.


And gee, thanks for posting a bunch of articles written by energy industry shills sucking on that sweet oil teat. How does Keystone XL solve any issue today? Why are the current leases on federal land not enough?

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How many barrels of oil were we producing at the end of the Trump Administration vs. when Trump took office? Very simple question, let me know the answer.


And gee, thanks for posting a bunch of articles written by energy industry shills sucking on that sweet oil teat. How does Keystone XL solve any issue today? Why are the current leases on federal land not enough?

Seriously. This has been a petroleum industry talking point since the '70's and my parents have a pumpjack field across the street from their subdivision.

[Anonymous]

How many barrels of oil were we producing at the end of the Trump Administration vs. when Trump took office? Very simple question, let me know the answer.

Jan. 2017
8873 thousand barrels a day

Peaked in Nov.. 2019 before pandemic shut down
12,966 thousand barrels a day

January, 2021
11,056 thousand barrels a day

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=M

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Anonymous wrote:

How many barrels of oil were we producing at the end of the Trump Administration vs. when Trump took office? Very simple question, let me know the answer.

Jan. 2017
8873 thousand barrels a day

Peaked in Nov.. 2019 before pandemic shut down
12,966 thousand barrels a day

January, 2021
11,056 thousand barrels a day

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=M

Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

We have acted and all Putin does is escalate. I’m not sure what additional actions you mean?

What's the alternative, just let Putin keep conquering and destabilizing? This needs to come to an end, and that end cannot mean Putin winning.

Cut off his money supply - which is oil. Stop buying oil from Russia and sanction sales.
And, give Ukraine more lethal weapons to give them at least a chance.

The sanctions are meaningless if they don’t include energy. Oil production and exports from Russia have not slowed since the invasion started. Do people realize this? If we want to help Ukraine we need to stop consuming so much gas and be prepared to pay high prices at the pump.

Or, we could actually increase our supply and help out Europe by providing the oil that they have bought from Russia.
And, we need to stop buying oil from Russia.....

Well, we knew this to be true. What was especially shameful was the unwillingness to stop even after Putin invaded Ukraine, trying to assure the public that these sections won't impact energy prices. I am critical of Biden taking us back to energy dependence on foreign sources but I would have gladly met the consequences of cutting off Russian oil flow. They are so tone deaf.

How exactly did Biden take “us back to energy dependence on foreign sources “? And which foreign sources are these?

Yes, I know about Google, but assertions like that really need to be supported with specifics— if they’re going to be taken seriously.

Republicans want to drill on federal lands and restart the Keystone pipeline.

There are plenty of non-Federal lands to drill on. Keystone won't process fuel for vehicles and isn't even built yet. I'd don't buy any of these arguments because none of these actions would lower oil prices or inflation today. Or even next year.

You know what wrecked America's energy production? COVID-19, when oil was selling for negative dollars for first time in recorded history. Also, the huge amount of Boomers retiring and people dying from COVID which is leading to labor shortages.

Biden has done plenty to make oil and gas exploration difficult in the US.
This article is over a year old.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2021/01/28/biden-opens-new-fronts-in-his-war-on-us-oil-and-gas/?sh=3d910f187d9b

Regarding the promised fracking ban, it is becoming increasingly apparent that the Biden people have decided that a direct ban would become too politically costly in oil producing states like New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Colorado, and will likely instead attempt to accomplish the same net result via other administrative means. The moratorium on new leasing and permitting on federal lands and waters is one of those means, especially should the Biden Department of Interior (DOI) continue to extend it over the coming four years. As I pointed out in previous pieces, political appointees and career bureaucrats at the various bureaus within the DOI which control the leasing and permitting processes have all manner of means to slow or halt any company’s ability to get its business done on the leases it already owned before the moratorium took effect.

The point being that you don’t have to outright “ban” fracking in order to slow or stop it from happening.

Now, about those industry-specific tax treatments... - Another way to slow or halt drilling and fracking is to use the power of government to deplete the amount of industry capital available to fund the operations. In his very next breath following his remarks about the fracking ban, the President said this: “Unlike previous administrations, I don’t think the federal government should give handouts to ‘big oil’ to the tune of $40 billion in fossil fuels subsidies. I’m going to be going to the congress, asking them to eliminate those subsidies.”

Thus does President Biden trot out the tiresome Obama-era canard alleging that “big oil” gets $40 billion in subsidies from the federal government.

Several things to note about this:

The oil industry simply does not receive “subsidies” or “handouts” from the federal government. Those are specific words with specific meanings, and they do not apply to any industry-specific tax treatment in the IRS Code.
The number Biden quotes is not an annual number, although it is often misconstrued to be so in the press and by activists. It is in fact the same 10-year composite value that the Obama administration attributed in 2009 to every industry-specific tax treatment currently in the tax code. Of that $4 billion per year, the vast majority comes from deductions for percentage depletion or intangible drilling costs, two deductions that have been a part of the tax code since 1913

Then there is this....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/24/biden-climate-gas-prices-russia-sanctions/

But on taking office, Biden squandered the position of strength he inherited from Trump. He prioritized climate change over energy independence and launched a policy of energy disarmament. Biden rejoined the Paris agreement and canceled the Keystone XL pipeline, which by itself would have transported 830,000 barrels of oil per day from Alberta to refineries on the Gulf Coast of Texas — far more than the 538,000 barrels we import every day from Russia). He suspended oil and gas leases in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and sought to deliver on his campaign promise to ban all “new oil and gas permitting on public lands and waters.” And he made clear his intention to tax and regulate the fossil fuel industry out of business, promising that his administration would “end fossil fuel.”
These policies have backfired — undermining the United States in its confrontation with Russia today. Thanks to Biden’s climate policies, and the record inflation his administration has helped unleash, the price of gasoline has risen from an average of $2.38 a gallon under Trump to $3.53 today — the largest year-over-year price rises in at least 30 years. That leaves little room to absorb the impact of massive oil and gas sanctions on Russia. The highest U.S. price for a gallon of regular gas has been $4.11. If Biden were to impose the kinds of crippling energy sanctions required to truly punish Russia, prices could rise far higher.

And more:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-wage-war-on-us-oil-and-gas-industry-rep-pete-sessions
https://nypost.com/2021/12/05/the-costs-of-bidens-war-on-oil-include-higher-gas-prices/
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/biden-suspends-oil-and-gas-drilling-in-series-of.html
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/585532-bidens-renewable-energy-rush-is-making-gas-prices-skyrocket
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/595706-biden-not-putin-to-blame-for-higher-gas-prices

There are a plethora of pieces about Biden's war on gas and oil and how it has made us more energy dependent and led to higher prices.

So? What good is having cheap gas if climate change, resulting in large part from greenhouse gases, makes the planet borderline unlivable? And, you're leaving out the part about how he wants to promote green tech to REDUCE The need for oil and gas (and that's happening in smaller amounts than we need it to b/c the GOP blocks it at every opportunity).

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Anonymous wrote:We have tried to give Putin off ramp for weeks. For months,
He is sending in troops to kill civilians.
F this guy.
I just read a good piece by Fiona Hill, and she breaks it down.
We can’t be paralyzed by fear. We have to anticipate and move to act.

Fiona Hill has vomited up a horrible piece of fear porn. I have no idea who she is and care less about her "expertise", this "interview" was a shoddy propaganda piece, but it's also dangerous. She is irresponsible for inciting panic in general population, completely uneducated and uninformed on this topic, many of whom don't give a flying rat's ass about Ukraine beyond feeling sorry for the refugees. The entire purpose of this shoddy article is to paralyze our population with fear. She is literally telling people that it's for sure that Putin is trying to expand his "empire" and won't stop with Ukraine and we should expect he might drop some bombs in the process, cause.. he is capable and it's not beyond him. Dumbasses like you need to grow up, how old are you? And if you are a grown up, time to "enlist" into the AA and stop drinking that vodka all day long.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting India onboard is easy —

But the us won’t do it.

Cut off Pakistan ties, fund India 50 billion a year in arms sales (Israel gets 30+ billion…India needs more if you want quad to be successful).

If the us cannot plug in russian weapon systems for India, India will chart a non-aligned path.

Remember — quad is extremely important for the us. Us will not burn India over Russian posture.

This isn't a buy support scenario. India is playing a dangerous game. I get that they are just replaying their cold war playbook and that Putin held a meeting with Imran Khan on the forst day of the invasion. It's morally reprehensible but it is what it is. India should be taking note of how bad Russian weapons and systems are doing. It's been an asbolutely humiliating product demonstration. The new axis will be China/Russia versus North America/Europe/East Asia. It's going to be hard to thread the needle.

No, the U.S. has been playing a stupid and arrogant game with India. Who armed and paid and supported Pakistan (and, by extension, Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir) during the Cold War? Who undermined India's interests at every turn for literally years until the War on Terror?
It was the U.S.

If you want Indian support, show it and do exactly what the previous PP said. Stop supporting Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir. Stop supporting Pakistan - the country that sheltered bin Laden - at all, period. India does not owe the U.S. anything.

Um no. This isn't about the United States. India is going to have a choice to make, as is every country. This is about Dharma.

And for what it's worth, Pakistan is playing an even more dangerous game but is pretty much already on the other side. Why else was Imran Khan in Moscow meeting with Putin as the invasion started?

Let me go further and be more explicit. India's two threats are Pakistan and China. Both have territorial claims to land currently held by India and have started wars against India over those claims. In addition, India hosts the Tibet government in exile. Both Pakistan and China have aligned softly with Russia. Pakistan would love a green light to invade Kashmir. China wants it for Taiwan but Tibet is a secondary area of interest for it. If Russia is successful it is open season on global territorial claims. If Russia is partially successful then the world is going to break down into two spheres, China (with Russia as a vassal) and the West (including Japan etc). Pakistan is at this point completely indebted to China and China will have a huge naval base in Baluchistan. India will be isolated in that situation. Nehru's Non-Aligned Movement and protectionist economics held India back during the Cold War. India's renaissance has been contingent on the post-cold war order. In a cold war 2.0 situation it's two main adversaries have teamed up. Russia won't service its second rate weapons if something happens with Pakistan or China. Low cost Turkish drones are decimating them anyway. It is very much in India's long term geopolitical interest to align with the West before it is too late. The opportunity to do that is now.

It's also the right thing to do morally.

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of us need to come to terms with there isn't actually a good outcome here. There's less bad and terrible.

Unfortunately we're all just pawns to the powers that be and that includes the posters who believe America and Western Europe are always morally correct

Exactly. I don't know who these outraged innocents are, but it's time to read up on some history, and become appropriately realist.

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Anonymous wrote:

How many barrels of oil were we producing at the end of the Trump Administration vs. when Trump took office? Very simple question, let me know the answer.

Jan. 2017
8873 thousand barrels a day

Peaked in Nov.. 2019 before pandemic shut down
12,966 thousand barrels a day

January, 2021
11,056 thousand barrels a day

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=M

Wow.

You obviously do not know the oil industry. When oil prices fell wells are shut down. Lot of Texas wells. The shut down wells take time to bring back on line and are less productive vs before being shut down. With increase prices production will increase.