US has no good options in Ukraine

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Tell me you're a Trumper without saying so.

See, this is a major part of why we have no business getting into war with Russia. Our nation is littered with cretins like you who hallucinate Trump everywhere. I’m a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. And I don’t think it’s my business to go worrying about people halfway around the world when I share a country with people like you. You’re a much bigger problem.

Dp- it’s understandable that they made an assumption. You are not well informed and have limited understanding of this conflict.

Please educate me as to how we make it out alive from a war with someone who has nukes and has literally said that he will use them and is ruthless enough for that threat to be very credible. I’ll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Tell me you're a Trumper without saying so.

See, this is a major part of why we have no business getting into war with Russia. Our nation is littered with cretins like you who hallucinate Trump everywhere. I’m a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. And I don’t think it’s my business to go worrying about people halfway around the world when I share a country with people like you. You’re a much bigger problem.

I guess you don't understand we live in a globally connected community of nations.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

One of the downsides of the long involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is that some Americans have no stomach for engagement or involvement even when there are legitimate threats. I'm curious whether anything other than a direct attack on your neighborhood would be your problem or worth any sacrifice.

I mean, historically this is not an outlier opinion. I think we are in an isolationist period in the US right now. Every once in awhile someone pipes up about our exit from Afghanistan, but honestly no one actually cares. It's a political talking point - and we lost 13 soldiers! People are starving to death in Afghanistan right now and we all have collective amnesia that we were there for 20

The US was barely involved in WW I and didn't enter WW II until directly attacked. Strategically, that's probably what allowed the Allies to win, but there was plenty of isolationism in 1939.

I do think we should be concerned that Putin deliberately attacks/provokes NATO once he realizes that NATO and the EU are unilaterally united against him. You should want to sacrifice with high gas prices, etc. to avoid that. Because once that happens, you may well see your spouse or child drafted.

No. We lost ONE solider. One soldier, one naval corpsman, and 11 Marines. The fact that you lumped them all together as "soldiers" shows how little civilians know about the military.

This response reminds me of the ones where someone uses incorrect terminology about firearms and then a person who doesn't like the underlying, substantive point instead chooses to get lost in the weeds over proper terminology instead of addressing the substance.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Tell me you're a Trumper without saying so.

See, this is a major part of why we have no business getting into war with Russia. Our nation is littered with cretins like you who hallucinate Trump everywhere. I’m a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. And I don’t think it’s my business to go worrying about people halfway around the world when I share a country with people like you. You’re a much bigger problem.

I guess you don't understand we live in a globally connected community of nations.

Gotcha. That was news to me. Thank you, Captain Obvious. How exactly does any of that suggest we should go fighting someone who has nukes? When is the last time the US went to war with a country that had nukes? You don’t think there’s a reason we avoid such confrontations?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

One of the downsides of the long involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is that some Americans have no stomach for engagement or involvement even when there are legitimate threats. I'm curious whether anything other than a direct attack on your neighborhood would be your problem or worth any sacrifice.

I mean, historically this is not an outlier opinion. I think we are in an isolationist period in the US right now. Every once in awhile someone pipes up about our exit from Afghanistan, but honestly no one actually cares. It's a political talking point - and we lost 13 soldiers! People are starving to death in Afghanistan right now and we all have collective amnesia that we were there for 20 years.

The US was barely involved in WW I and didn't enter WW II until directly attacked. Strategically, that's probably what allowed the Allies to win, but there was plenty of isolationism in 1939.

I do think we should be concerned that Putin deliberately attacks/provokes NATO once he realizes that NATO and the EU are unilaterally united against him. You should want to sacrifice with high gas prices, etc. to avoid that. Because once that happens, you may well see your spouse or child drafted.

You’re not serious about life. Do you think Putin doesn’t know that NATO and the EU are his mortal enemies already? Literally nothing in your post makes proactively seeking war with Russia remotely sensible. I’m not going to trouble myself about Eastern Europe until there’s a reason to do so.

There's actually been a lot of discussion this past week about how the EU has emerged as a singular power and how Putin was not prepare for that show of unity.

These are bad and stupid analyses. The former head of the FSB, the successor agency to the KGB, who was a spy, survived the fall of the soviet union, and has ruled a country as ruthless and cutthroat as Russia for over two decades is somehow not savvy enough to see that Europeans who hate him might together? You’re mistaking him for someone as stupid as you!

I think we can merge the two theories about Putin's degrading paranoia and his erstwhile cunning planning. He had a master plan all along, however due to increased paranoia due to isolation and age, and his well-known pre-existing obsession about Greater Russia humiliating the West, he is not able to accurately assess other countries' reactions anymore. The two are coming together to create our current catastrophe.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

One of the downsides of the long involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is that some Americans have no stomach for engagement or involvement even when there are legitimate threats. I'm curious whether anything other than a direct attack on your neighborhood would be your problem or worth any sacrifice.

I mean, historically this is not an outlier opinion. I think we are in an isolationist period in the US right now. Every once in awhile someone pipes up about our exit from Afghanistan, but honestly no one actually cares. It's a political talking point - and we lost 13 soldiers! People are starving to death in Afghanistan right now and we all have collective amnesia that we were there for 20 years.

The US was barely involved in WW I and didn't enter WW II until directly attacked. Strategically, that's probably what allowed the Allies to win, but there was plenty of isolationism in 1939.

I do think we should be concerned that Putin deliberately attacks/provokes NATO once he realizes that NATO and the EU are unilaterally united against him. You should want to sacrifice with high gas prices, etc. to avoid that. Because once that happens, you may well see your spouse or child drafted.

You’re not serious about life. Do you think Putin doesn’t know that NATO and the EU are his mortal enemies already? Literally nothing in your post makes proactively seeking war with Russia remotely sensible. I’m not going to trouble myself about Eastern Europe until there’s a reason to do so.

There's actually been a lot of discussion this past week about how the EU has emerged as a singular power and how Putin was not prepare for that show of unity.

These are bad and stupid analyses. The former head of the FSB, the successor agency to the KGB, who was a spy, survived the fall of the soviet union, and has ruled a country as ruthless and cutthroat as Russia for over two decades is somehow not savvy enough to see that Europeans who hate him might together? You’re mistaking him for someone as stupid as you!

^ talk about a bad take.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

One of the downsides of the long involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is that some Americans have no stomach for engagement or involvement even when there are legitimate threats. I'm curious whether anything other than a direct attack on your neighborhood would be your problem or worth any sacrifice.

I mean, historically this is not an outlier opinion. I think we are in an isolationist period in the US right now. Every once in awhile someone pipes up about our exit from Afghanistan, but honestly no one actually cares. It's a political talking point - and we lost 13 soldiers! People are starving to death in Afghanistan right now and we all have collective amnesia that we were there for 20

The US was barely involved in WW I and didn't enter WW II until directly attacked. Strategically, that's probably what allowed the Allies to win, but there was plenty of isolationism in 1939.

I do think we should be concerned that Putin deliberately attacks/provokes NATO once he realizes that NATO and the EU are unilaterally united against him. You should want to sacrifice with high gas prices, etc. to avoid that. Because once that happens, you may well see your spouse or child drafted.

No. We lost ONE solider. One soldier, one naval corpsman, and 11 Marines. The fact that you lumped them all together as "soldiers" shows how little civilians know about the military.

This response reminds me of the ones where someone uses incorrect terminology about firearms and then a person who doesn't like the underlying, substantive point instead chooses to get lost in the weeds over proper terminology instead of addressing the substance.

I'm pretty sure we have one keyboard warrior who is going absolutely insane that others don't share his military veteran viewpoint about everything and who keeps calling everyone else stupid. It's kind of an amazing meltdown.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Tell me you're a Trumper without saying so.

See, this is a major part of why we have no business getting into war with Russia. Our nation is littered with cretins like you who hallucinate Trump everywhere. I’m a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. And I don’t think it’s my business to go worrying about people halfway around the world when I share a country with people like you. You’re a much bigger problem.

I guess you don't understand we live in a globally connected community of nations.

Gotcha. That was news to me. Thank you, Captain Obvious. How exactly does any of that suggest we should go fighting someone who has nukes? When is the last time the US went to war with a country that had nukes? You don’t think there’s a reason we avoid such confrontations?

DP. Someone who has nukes and has threatened to use them unless their aggressive demands are met, can NEVER be appeased. You will never be able to avoid a confrontation with Putin, the only question is when.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

One of the downsides of the long involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is that some Americans have no stomach for engagement or involvement even when there are legitimate threats. I'm curious whether anything other than a direct attack on your neighborhood would be your problem or worth any sacrifice.

I mean, historically this is not an outlier opinion. I think we are in an isolationist period in the US right now. Every once in awhile someone pipes up about our exit from Afghanistan, but honestly no one actually cares. It's a political talking point - and we lost 13 soldiers! People are starving to death in Afghanistan right now and we all have collective amnesia that we were there for 20 years.

The US was barely involved in WW I and didn't enter WW II until directly attacked. Strategically, that's probably what allowed the Allies to win, but there was plenty of isolationism in 1939.

I do think we should be concerned that Putin deliberately attacks/provokes NATO once he realizes that NATO and the EU are unilaterally united against him. You should want to sacrifice with high gas prices, etc. to avoid that. Because once that happens, you may well see your spouse or child drafted.

You’re not serious about life. Do you think Putin doesn’t know that NATO and the EU are his mortal enemies already? Literally nothing in your post makes proactively seeking war with Russia remotely sensible. I’m not going to trouble myself about Eastern Europe until there’s a reason to do so.

There's actually been a lot of discussion this past week about how the EU has emerged as a singular power and how Putin was not prepare for that show of unity.

These are bad and stupid analyses. The former head of the FSB, the successor agency to the KGB, who was a spy, survived the fall of the soviet union, and has ruled a country as ruthless and cutthroat as Russia for over two decades is somehow not savvy enough to see that Europeans who hate him might together? You’re mistaking him for someone as stupid as you!

I think we can merge the two theories about Putin's degrading paranoia and his erstwhile cunning planning. He had a master plan all along, however due to increased paranoia due to isolation and age, and his well-known pre-existing obsession about Greater Russia humiliating the West, he is not able to accurately assess other countries' reactions anymore. The two are coming together to create our current catastrophe.

PP here. I’ll give it to you. This is a sensible take. The idea that Putin just never had any capacity to understand Europe is so stupid that I can’t take it seriously. Your more nuanced take makes sense. I think it’s a wrong take nonetheless. I don’t think Putin just happened to age overnight and become this doddering, paranoid buffoon whom Americans sitting on DCUM can think around. I think what’s a lot more likely is that we don’t know what exactly he wants from Ukraine. That’s why his actions look irrational. That doesn’t mean his actions are actually irrational. It just means that we have failed at intelligence gathering.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

One of the downsides of the long involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is that some Americans have no stomach for engagement or involvement even when there are legitimate threats. I'm curious whether anything other than a direct attack on your neighborhood would be your problem or worth any sacrifice.

I mean, historically this is not an outlier opinion. I think we are in an isolationist period in the US right now. Every once in awhile someone pipes up about our exit from Afghanistan, but honestly no one actually cares. It's a political talking point - and we lost 13 soldiers! People are starving to death in Afghanistan right now and we all have collective amnesia that we were there for 20

The US was barely involved in WW I and didn't enter WW II until directly attacked. Strategically, that's probably what allowed the Allies to win, but there was plenty of isolationism in 1939.

I do think we should be concerned that Putin deliberately attacks/provokes NATO once he realizes that NATO and the EU are unilaterally united against him. You should want to sacrifice with high gas prices, etc. to avoid that. Because once that happens, you may well see your spouse or child drafted.

No. We lost ONE solider. One soldier, one naval corpsman, and 11 Marines. The fact that you lumped them all together as "soldiers" shows how little civilians know about the military.

This response reminds me of the ones where someone uses incorrect terminology about firearms and then a person who doesn't like the underlying, substantive point instead chooses to get lost in the weeds over proper terminology instead of addressing the substance.

It IS the substance, and if you knew anything about the military and warfare, you would know that. Instead we have 162 pages of people know have no idea what they are talking about arguing about how to best wage war.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Tell me you're a Trumper without saying so.

See, this is a major part of why we have no business getting into war with Russia. Our nation is littered with cretins like you who hallucinate Trump everywhere. I’m a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. And I don’t think it’s my business to go worrying about people halfway around the world when I share a country with people like you. You’re a much bigger problem.

I guess you don't understand we live in a globally connected community of nations.

Gotcha. That was news to me. Thank you, Captain Obvious. How exactly does any of that suggest we should go fighting someone who has nukes? When is the last time the US went to war with a country that had nukes? You don’t think there’s a reason we avoid such confrontations?

Dp- you need to calm down. Take A CBD gummy. Chill.
We aren’t going to back to Putin bullying us with nukes. We can’t.
It makes us way less safe moving forward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Tell me you're a Trumper without saying so.

See, this is a major part of why we have no business getting into war with Russia. Our nation is littered with cretins like you who hallucinate Trump everywhere. I’m a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. And I don’t think it’s my business to go worrying about people halfway around the world when I share a country with people like you. You’re a much bigger problem.

Dp- it’s understandable that they made an assumption. You are not well informed and have limited understanding of this conflict.

Please educate me as to how we make it out alive from a war with someone who has nukes and has literally said that he will use them and is ruthless enough for that threat to be very credible. I’ll wait.

We have nukes too.

But leaving that aside, I don't think Putin nukes the US. As has been pointed out, he has tactical nukes. I think it's possible he will deploy one in Ukraine.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Tell me you're a Trumper without saying so.

See, this is a major part of why we have no business getting into war with Russia. Our nation is littered with cretins like you who hallucinate Trump everywhere. I’m a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. And I don’t think it’s my business to go worrying about people halfway around the world when I share a country with people like you. You’re a much bigger problem.

I guess you don't understand we live in a globally connected community of nations.

Gotcha. That was news to me. Thank you, Captain Obvious. How exactly does any of that suggest we should go fighting someone who has nukes? When is the last time the US went to war with a country that had nukes? You don’t think there’s a reason we avoid such confrontations?

DP. Someone who has nukes and has threatened to use them unless their aggressive demands are met, can NEVER be appeased. You will never be able to avoid a confrontation with Putin, the only question is when.

OK, so nuclear holocaust is inevitable then. I might as well enjoy my coffee and drive my gas guzzler to my vacation home. If the end is nigh, I’m not going to go rushing towards it with bloodshot eyes screaming some nonsense about moral obligations to Ukraine.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

One of the downsides of the long involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan is that some Americans have no stomach for engagement or involvement even when there are legitimate threats. I'm curious whether anything other than a direct attack on your neighborhood would be your problem or worth any sacrifice.

I mean, historically this is not an outlier opinion. I think we are in an isolationist period in the US right now. Every once in awhile someone pipes up about our exit from Afghanistan, but honestly no one actually cares. It's a political talking point - and we lost 13 soldiers! People are starving to death in Afghanistan right now and we all have collective amnesia that we were there for 20

The US was barely involved in WW I and didn't enter WW II until directly attacked. Strategically, that's probably what allowed the Allies to win, but there was plenty of isolationism in 1939.

I do think we should be concerned that Putin deliberately attacks/provokes NATO once he realizes that NATO and the EU are unilaterally united against him. You should want to sacrifice with high gas prices, etc. to avoid that. Because once that happens, you may well see your spouse or child drafted.

No. We lost ONE solider. One soldier, one naval corpsman, and 11 Marines. The fact that you lumped them all together as "soldiers" shows how little civilians know about the military.

This response reminds me of the ones where someone uses incorrect terminology about firearms and then a person who doesn't like the underlying, substantive point instead chooses to get lost in the weeds over proper terminology instead of addressing the substance.

It IS the substance, and if you knew anything about the military and warfare, you would know that. Instead we have 162 pages of people know have no idea what they are talking about arguing about how to best wage war.

Dp-We spent 2 decades listening to the people who knew best how to wage war. Went great!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m absolutely not willing to make very many sacrifices for Ukraine. I don’t want to pay more than I already do for anything and I damn sure don’t want my husband going to war nor do I want my life upended to make shit in factories for a war effort. Ukraine and Russia aren’t my problem just as I’m not theirs. I don’t feel bad about this either.

Tell me you're a Trumper without saying so.

See, this is a major part of why we have no business getting into war with Russia. Our nation is littered with cretins like you who hallucinate Trump everywhere. I’m a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. And I don’t think it’s my business to go worrying about people halfway around the world when I share a country with people like you. You’re a much bigger problem.

I guess you don't understand we live in a globally connected community of nations.

Gotcha. That was news to me. Thank you, Captain Obvious. How exactly does any of that suggest we should go fighting someone who has nukes? When is the last time the US went to war with a country that had nukes? You don’t think there’s a reason we avoid such confrontations?

Dp- you need to calm down. Take A CBD gummy. Chill.
We aren’t going to back to Putin bullying us with nukes. We can’t.
It makes us way less safe moving forward.

OK, make sure you contact your senator with your sage advice to initiate war with Putin so he can’t “bully” us with nukes. I’m sure he’ll personally escort you to the oval office to advise the president.