get over name brand / prestige obsession

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you’re 100% correct, but no one believes it until they see it. It’s something that people just have to experience to understand, and even then, some never do, which is how you end up with some people who wrap their entire identity around the ranking of their undergrad school and literally can’t shut up about it, even though they’re working alongside and under others who went everywhere else.

I disagree. Maybe you are correct about career outcomes, but the actual quality of education is a lot different between top schools and Southwest X State. The faculty is better, the other students are better, etc.

I will say that actual education in the humanities, though, seems to be struggling everywhere, as kids all parrot back the media narrative on many issues and professors fail to teach them how to analyze opposing viewpoints and argue a position without reverting to emotion or ad hominem.

I agree about the quality of education, but disagree about better faculty at Brand Name U. The top professors at Brand Name U are not teaching undergrads, and many top schools rely on graduate students for that. For the more junior faculty, the academic positions are so competitive, especially in the humanities, that you can find great professors everywhere. The difference in quality comes from the student body because the professors are basically adjusting to their audience. I know, I got my undergraduate degree in math from Southwest X State, and one of my kids is now getting his from a top school. The difference in quality is incomparable, and given the difference in depth of the course work, I’d have a hard time justifying hiring someone from my alma mater over my son’s school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you’re 100% correct, but no one believes it until they see it. It’s something that people just have to experience to understand, and even then, some never do, which is how you end up with some people who wrap their entire identity around the ranking of their undergrad school and literally can’t shut up about it, even though they’re working alongside and under others who went everywhere else.

I disagree. Maybe you are correct about career outcomes, but the actual quality of education is a lot different between top schools and Southwest X State. The faculty is better, the other students are better, etc.

I will say that actual education in the humanities, though, seems to be struggling everywhere, as kids all parrot back the media narrative on many issues and professors fail to teach them how to analyze opposing viewpoints and argue a position without reverting to emotion or ad hominem.

I agree about the quality of education, but disagree about better faculty at Brand Name U. The top professors at Brand Name U are not teaching undergrads, and many top schools rely on graduate students for that. For the more junior faculty, the academic positions are so competitive, especially in the humanities, that you can find great professors everywhere. The difference in quality comes from the student body because the professors are basically adjusting to their audience. I know, I got my undergraduate degree in math from Southwest X State, and one of my kids is now getting his from a top school. The difference in quality is incomparable, and given the difference in depth of the course work, I’d have a hard time justifying hiring someone from my alma mater over my son’s school.

So you're saying "current you" wouldn't have hired "young you" now? You wouldn't be working at your current company?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you’re 100% correct, but no one believes it until they see it. It’s something that people just have to experience to understand, and even then, some never do, which is how you end up with some people who wrap their entire identity around the ranking of their undergrad school and literally can’t shut up about it, even though they’re working alongside and under others who went everywhere else.

I disagree. Maybe you are correct about career outcomes, but the actual quality of education is a lot different between top schools and Southwest X State. The faculty is better, the other students are better, etc.

I will say that actual education in the humanities, though, seems to be struggling everywhere, as kids all parrot back the media narrative on many issues and professors fail to teach them how to analyze opposing viewpoints and argue a position without reverting to emotion or ad hominem.

I agree about the quality of education, but disagree about better faculty at Brand Name U. The top professors at Brand Name U are not teaching undergrads, and many top schools rely on graduate students for that. For the more junior faculty, the academic positions are so competitive, especially in the humanities, that you can find great professors everywhere. The difference in quality comes from the student body because the professors are basically adjusting to their audience. I know, I got my undergraduate degree in math from Southwest X State, and one of my kids is now getting his from a top school. The difference in quality is incomparable, and given the difference in depth of the course work, I’d have a hard time justifying hiring someone from my alma mater over my son’s school.

So you're saying "current you" wouldn't have hired "young you" now? You wouldn't be working at your current company?

No, if a competition to “young me” was my son, i e same major, comparable GPA, different school.

[Anonymous]

PP: adding to the above - no red flags on the interview and interview went well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you’re 100% correct, but no one believes it until they see it. It’s something that people just have to experience to understand, and even then, some never do, which is how you end up with some people who wrap their entire identity around the ranking of their undergrad school and literally can’t shut up about it, even though they’re working alongside and under others who went everywhere else.

I disagree. Maybe you are correct about career outcomes, but the actual quality of education is a lot different between top schools and Southwest X State. The faculty is better, the other students are better, etc.

I will say that actual education in the humanities, though, seems to be struggling everywhere, as kids all parrot back the media narrative on many issues and professors fail to teach them how to analyze opposing viewpoints and argue a position without reverting to emotion or ad hominem.

I agree about the quality of education, but disagree about better faculty at Brand Name U. The top professors at Brand Name U are not teaching undergrads, and many top schools rely on graduate students for that. For the more junior faculty, the academic positions are so competitive, especially in the humanities, that you can find great professors everywhere. The difference in quality comes from the student body because the professors are basically adjusting to their audience. I know, I got my undergraduate degree in math from Southwest X State, and one of my kids is now getting his from a top school. The difference in quality is incomparable, and given the difference in depth of the course work, I’d have a hard time justifying hiring someone from my alma mater over my son’s school.

So you're saying "current you" wouldn't have hired "young you" now? You wouldn't be working at your current company?

No, if a competition to “young me” was my son, i e same major, comparable GPA, different school.

I'm still unclear on this. If young you was up against your son for the same position, your son would win out? Do you see the issue here? You're too focused on the college. Unless you feel you're an underperformer currently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you’re 100% correct, but no one believes it until they see it. It’s something that people just have to experience to understand, and even then, some never do, which is how you end up with some people who wrap their entire identity around the ranking of their undergrad school and literally can’t shut up about it, even though they’re working alongside and under others who went everywhere else.

I disagree. Maybe you are correct about career outcomes, but the actual quality of education is a lot different between top schools and Southwest X State. The faculty is better, the other students are better, etc.

I will say that actual education in the humanities, though, seems to be struggling everywhere, as kids all parrot back the media narrative on many issues and professors fail to teach them how to analyze opposing viewpoints and argue a position without reverting to emotion or ad hominem.

I agree about the quality of education, but disagree about better faculty at Brand Name U. The top professors at Brand Name U are not teaching undergrads, and many top schools rely on graduate students for that. For the more junior faculty, the academic positions are so competitive, especially in the humanities, that you can find great professors everywhere. The difference in quality comes from the student body because the professors are basically adjusting to their audience. I know, I got my undergraduate degree in math from Southwest X State, and one of my kids is now getting his from a top school. The difference in quality is incomparable, and given the difference in depth of the course work, I’d have a hard time justifying hiring someone from my alma mater over my son’s school.

So you're saying "current you" wouldn't have hired "young you" now? You wouldn't be working at your current company?

No, if a competition to “young me” was my son, i e same major, comparable GPA, different school.

I'm still unclear on this. If young you was up against your son for the same position, your son would win out? Do you see the issue here? You're too focused on the college. Unless you feel you're an underperformer currently.

Not sure what is unclear here. Do you understand the concept of probability? Given what is needed for success in my work, someone with my son’s academic background has much better chances for success than someone with “young me” background. Absent any other differentiating information - no red flags, etc - I’d go with the better odds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What it all comes down to is one word: money. People are obsessed with money, not just prestige, as evident by the posts that are harping on "salaries." These people's lives are completely controlled by money and that's all they know. That's their only defense. They hope to make "connections" for no other reason than to get more "money" somehow from these valuable "connections." Their life is defined by how much money they make and their purpose is to amass the most amount of money as possible. The "name brand" helps with that, generally, not always. While you think there's more important things in life, maybe they don't think that way...

Again, “there’s no nobility in poverty”

Are you always such a black and white thinker? There’s plenty of gray between wealth and poverty.

There’s certainly no nobility in poverty of mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What it all comes down to is one word: money. People are obsessed with money, not just prestige, as evident by the posts that are harping on "salaries." These people's lives are completely controlled by money and that's all they know. That's their only defense. They hope to make "connections" for no other reason than to get more "money" somehow from these valuable "connections." Their life is defined by how much money they make and their purpose is to amass the most amount of money as possible. The "name brand" helps with that, generally, not always. While you think there's more important things in life, maybe they don't think that way...

Again, “there’s no nobility in poverty”

Are you always such a black and white thinker? There’s plenty of gray between wealth and poverty.

There’s certainly no nobility in poverty of mind.

You’re thinking too literally. I was just pointing out how people act holier than thou because they don’t value money as much as other people. Like what do you want, a sticker. Money at least has tangible value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, you’re 100% correct, but no one believes it until they see it. It’s something that people just have to experience to understand, and even then, some never do, which is how you end up with some people who wrap their entire identity around the ranking of their undergrad school and literally can’t shut up about it, even though they’re working alongside and under others who went everywhere else.

I disagree. Maybe you are correct about career outcomes, but the actual quality of education is a lot different between top schools and Southwest X State. The faculty is better, the other students are better, etc.

I will say that actual education in the humanities, though, seems to be struggling everywhere, as kids all parrot back the media narrative on many issues and professors fail to teach them how to analyze opposing viewpoints and argue a position without reverting to emotion or ad hominem.

I agree about the quality of education, but disagree about better faculty at Brand Name U. The top professors at Brand Name U are not teaching undergrads, and many top schools rely on graduate students for that. For the more junior faculty, the academic positions are so competitive, especially in the humanities, that you can find great professors everywhere. The difference in quality comes from the student body because the professors are basically adjusting to their audience. I know, I got my undergraduate degree in math from Southwest X State, and one of my kids is now getting his from a top school. The difference in quality is incomparable, and given the difference in depth of the course work, I’d have a hard time justifying hiring someone from my alma mater over my son’s school.

So you're saying "current you" wouldn't have hired "young you" now? You wouldn't be working at your current company?

No, if a competition to “young me” was my son, i e same major, comparable GPA, different school.

I'm still unclear on this. If young you was up against your son for the same position, your son would win out? Do you see the issue here? You're too focused on the college. Unless you feel you're an underperformer currently.

I don’t think he’s too focused on the college? He’s just saying the students at his son’s college are better in general, so they’d probably be better performers than himself.

I’ve seen this myself now that I’m in a position to hire. The people from top colleges are generally better performers.

[Anonymous]

I value PHD (Poor Hungry Driven) over college names.

[Anonymous]

Grad school is much more important than undergraduate school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What it all comes down to is one word: money. People are obsessed with money, not just prestige, as evident by the posts that are harping on "salaries." These people's lives are completely controlled by money and that's all they know. That's their only defense. They hope to make "connections" for no other reason than to get more "money" somehow from these valuable "connections." Their life is defined by how much money they make and their purpose is to amass the most amount of money as possible. The "name brand" helps with that, generally, not always. While you think there's more important things in life, maybe they don't think that way...

Again, “there’s no nobility in poverty”

Are you always such a black and white thinker? There’s plenty of gray between wealth and poverty.

There’s certainly no nobility in poverty of mind.

You’re thinking too literally. I was just pointing out how people act holier than thou because they don’t value money as much as other people. Like what do you want, a sticker. Money at least has tangible value.

Whereas people who value money above all act all superior to those who don’t. You can’t imagine people don’t admire you for being so wealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Grad school is much more important than undergraduate school.

And yet, if you leave bumble fxk Alabama with a low ranking degree in biology you're less likely to get a spot in med school than if you did well at Harvard College as an undergrad.

And if you took an arts / humanities degree at Harvard you may get your PhD paid for. whereas coming from Alabama (or other similar place) not likely at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grad school is much more important than undergraduate school.

And yet, if you leave bumble fxk Alabama with a low ranking degree in biology you're less likely to get a spot in med school than if you did well at Harvard College as an undergrad.

And if you took an arts / humanities degree at Harvard you may get your PhD paid for. whereas coming from Alabama (or other similar place) not likely at all.

This is not true at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Grad school is much more important than undergraduate school.

And yet, if you leave bumble fxk Alabama with a low ranking degree in biology you're less likely to get a spot in med school than if you did well at Harvard College as an undergrad.

And if you took an arts / humanities degree at Harvard you may get your PhD paid for. whereas coming from Alabama (or other similar place) not likely at all.

Check out the bio of Michael Jordan, a professor in Berkeley and a big name in CS, with a undergraduate degree from Univ of Louisiana.