Dating a Red Piller

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Anonymous wrote:lol at all these dudes who simultaneously think they have a right to be woman-haters AND to get girlfriends. Sorry guys, does not work that way.

RedPill is not about hating women! That would be MGTOW.
RP is for men who LIKE women... but want to learn the truth about how to attract actual women (and unlearn all the lies they have been told).

Ok ... you need to accept that many women find the notion of "red pill" and that there is a secret cabal of lies told about how to "attract actual women" and the need to act in a certain fake way to "get" women, is extremely offensive, and they will not want to date you. your choice.

I "get" that women don't like having their own lies exposed, so it makes sense for women to be offended by RedPill approach.
The guiding principle of RedPill is to trust women's actions, not their words. End the gap between these and RedPill goes extinct.

Says the guy who has to lie to women about what he believes in order to get them to date him.

If a guy hits the gym, stops texting emoticons, and drops 80% of her calls into voicemail ... who are you to say that's him lying?
Maybe his former unsuccessful dating approach (where he does what she "says" she wants) was more of a lie.

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Anonymous wrote:For a year I was paying attention to red pill / MGTOW videos. A thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the videos actually give some advice to men about relationship traps to avoid. Things like narcissisms, daddy issues, dating women with children, dealing with "CHADs". A lot of it not anti-women per se, it is more about identifying and avoiding poor relationships. Yes, the next step is become a womanizer or relationship vampire who sucks women's most valuable years away. So, be careful about that. But it doesn't mean he is there yet.

Sounds a lot like the highly-criticized dating book for women “The Rules,” except for men.

I owned a copy of “The Rules.” I liked it. I didn’t find it anti-men. The premise was that every woman can find a man, and you only need one.

It gives good advice like, dress neatly, be nice, pick up some co-Ed hobbies, tell your friends you are looking for someone, don’t move in together if what you really want is to get married, don’t keep nagging him to ask what he is thinking, etc.

And the basic premise is that there is a lid for every pot. Every woman can find a mate if she puts herself out there, and you only need one.

The Red Pill seems to be that only some men can find a mate, and those men have their pick of all of the women.

They're both rigid "rules" based on gender dynamics, so to that extent, they are similar. But The Rules does not have the same undertone of animus towards the opposite sex.

It is that universal/ true for every male who follows Red Pill / MGTOW? Or are those ideas more of a spectrum - from mild to extreme?

It’s pretty universal. The premise is based on anger.
It’s not, “there are a lot of great women out there, and marriage and children can be a wonderful part of life, so here’s how to find a wonderful woman to be your life partner.”
It’s “women don’t like you because they are shallow hypocrites who only like this type of guy. Here is how to be this kind of guy and trick them into liking you.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He's a total loser. Probably with severe social issues, because men who are doing well with women dont turn to sites like that.

Dump and move on ASAP. Do NOT throw your lot in with this sad little freak

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Anonymous wrote:lol at all these dudes who simultaneously think they have a right to be woman-haters AND to get girlfriends. Sorry guys, does not work that way.

RedPill is not about hating women! That would be MGTOW.
RP is for men who LIKE women... but want to learn the truth about how to attract actual women (and unlearn all the lies they have been told).

Ok ... you need to accept that many women find the notion of "red pill" and that there is a secret cabal of lies told about how to "attract actual women" and the need to act in a certain fake way to "get" women, is extremely offensive, and they will not want to date you. your choice.

I "get" that women don't like having their own lies exposed, so it makes sense for women to be offended by RedPill approach.
The guiding principle of RedPill is to trust women's actions, not their words. End the gap between these and RedPill goes extinct.

Says the guy who has to lie to women about what he believes in order to get them to date him.

If a guy hits the gym, stops texting emoticons, and drops 80% of her calls into voicemail ... who are you to say that's him lying?
Maybe his former unsuccessful dating approach (where he does what she "says" she wants) was more of a lie.

No, I'm referring to the part where you don't tell her "by the way, I do what I do because I'm involved in this community, here are my posts." You lie to her about who you are and what you believe about her.

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Anonymous wrote:lol at all these dudes who simultaneously think they have a right to be woman-haters AND to get girlfriends. Sorry guys, does not work that way.

RedPill is not about hating women! That would be MGTOW.
RP is for men who LIKE women... but want to learn the truth about how to attract actual women (and unlearn all the lies they have been told).

Ok ... you need to accept that many women find the notion of "red pill" and that there is a secret cabal of lies told about how to "attract actual women" and the need to act in a certain fake way to "get" women, is extremely offensive, and they will not want to date you. your choice.

I "get" that women don't like having their own lies exposed, so it makes sense for women to be offended by RedPill approach.
The guiding principle of RedPill is to trust women's actions, not their words. End the gap between these and RedPill goes extinct.

Says the guy who has to lie to women about what he believes in order to get them to date him.

If a guy hits the gym, stops texting emoticons, and drops 80% of her calls into voicemail ... who are you to say that's him lying?
Maybe his former unsuccessful dating approach (where he does what she "says" she wants) was more of a lie.

Do you really think that playing these “negging” games is going to get you a quality woman? A quality woman will see that the guy is ignoring her calls and treating her with disrespect, and she will have the self esteem to move on. Quality women won’t play your games.

The woman who puts up with it... she probably has self esteem issues already. She will tolerate this treatment but resent you, maybe even act out behind your back. So maybe you’ll get laid, but your interactions will be miserable and unhappy and full of conflict. Toxic breeds toxic. You are what you attract.

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The problem is still the same though.
If you believe this stuff, then any woman who loves you as you are now is by definition not good enough and limited in her options. And at the same time, any woman who loves you only after you have become more like Mr. Thundercock is by definition shallow and not interested in whoever you were before.

Reminds me of the Groucho line, "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Been dating a man for 2.5 months. Recently I came across his social media and he has red pill and mgtow posts. I’m shocked! Nothing about our interactions would suggest he follows such things. How bad is this?

Such a hard, HARD, HARD decision.

OMFG!

Whatever are you going to do, victim material?

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Anonymous wrote:lol at all these dudes who simultaneously think they have a right to be woman-haters AND to get girlfriends. Sorry guys, does not work that way.

RedPill is not about hating women! That would be MGTOW.
RP is for men who LIKE women... but want to learn the truth about how to attract actual women (and unlearn all the lies they have been told).

Ok ... you need to accept that many women find the notion of "red pill" and that there is a secret cabal of lies told about how to "attract actual women" and the need to act in a certain fake way to "get" women, is extremely offensive, and they will not want to date you. your choice.

I "get" that women don't like having their own lies exposed, so it makes sense for women to be offended by RedPill approach.
The guiding principle of RedPill is to trust women's actions, not their words. End the gap between these and RedPill goes extinct.

What lies are you talking about?
What exactly is being “exposed” here?

If you feel like women are lying by being nice to men they aren’t interested in dating, that’s just part of the patriarchy. People with les power are always nice to people with more. If you want women, as a gender, to be more direct and honest, then men, as a gender, need to:
- Take more responsibility for birth control and unplanned pregnancies
- let employers know *at the time of the interview* that they will be taking off 12 weeks if they have a baby
- take on 50% of the unpaid labor at work and at home
- keep your home, your clothing, and yourself clean and attractive to the opposite sex most of the time, particularly when you are out on a date
- take consent seriously

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the OP is talking about. Are you speaking a foreign language with a bad google translation, OP?

Society is getting weirder and weirder. I had to google it, I had never even heard of the terms. So, so odd!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol at all these dudes who simultaneously think they have a right to be woman-haters AND to get girlfriends. Sorry guys, does not work that way.

RedPill is not about hating women! That would be MGTOW.
RP is for men who LIKE women... but want to learn the truth about how to attract actual women (and unlearn all the lies they have been told).

Ok ... you need to accept that many women find the notion of "red pill" and that there is a secret cabal of lies told about how to "attract actual women" and the need to act in a certain fake way to "get" women, is extremely offensive, and they will not want to date you. your choice.

I "get" that women don't like having their own lies exposed, so it makes sense for women to be offended by RedPill approach.
The guiding principle of RedPill is to trust women's actions, not their words. End the gap between these and RedPill goes extinct.

What lies are you talking about?
What exactly is being “exposed” here?

If you feel like women are lying by being nice to men they aren’t interested in dating, that’s just part of the patriarchy. People with les power are always nice to people with more. If you want women, as a gender, to be more direct and honest, then men, as a gender, need to:
- Take more responsibility for birth control and unplanned pregnancies
- let employers know *at the time of the interview* that they will be taking off 12 weeks if they have a baby
- take on 50% of the unpaid labor at work and at home
- keep your home, your clothing, and yourself clean and attractive to the opposite sex most of the time, particularly when you are out on a date
- take consent seriously

That's not going to get these guys laid. They see Chad Thundercock running around with hotties even though he's none of the things women say they want. He's not sensitive or respectful, he doesn't have a good sense of humor, and he only treats other people well when he wants something. He's rich and has muscles and acts like he could take or leave any given woman. These redpillers have heard what a shitty guy he is when their friends who are women cry about how he never calls but they wish he would. That's a caricature, obviously, but it's the kind of dynamic redpillers are thinking about when they complain that women aren't honest about what they really want in a sex partner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:lol at all these dudes who simultaneously think they have a right to be woman-haters AND to get girlfriends. Sorry guys, does not work that way.

RedPill is not about hating women! That would be MGTOW.
RP is for men who LIKE women... but want to learn the truth about how to attract actual women (and unlearn all the lies they have been told).

Ok ... you need to accept that many women find the notion of "red pill" and that there is a secret cabal of lies told about how to "attract actual women" and the need to act in a certain fake way to "get" women, is extremely offensive, and they will not want to date you. your choice.

I "get" that women don't like having their own lies exposed, so it makes sense for women to be offended by RedPill approach.
The guiding principle of RedPill is to trust women's actions, not their words. End the gap between these and RedPill goes extinct.

What lies are you talking about?
What exactly is being “exposed” here?

If you feel like women are lying by being nice to men they aren’t interested in dating, that’s just part of the patriarchy. People with les power are always nice to people with more. If you want women, as a gender, to be more direct and honest, then men, as a gender, need to:
- Take more responsibility for birth control and unplanned pregnancies
- let employers know *at the time of the interview* that they will be taking off 12 weeks if they have a baby
- take on 50% of the unpaid labor at work and at home
- keep your home, your clothing, and yourself clean and attractive to the opposite sex most of the time, particularly when you are out on a date
- take consent seriously

That's not going to get these guys laid. They see Chad Thundercock running around with hotties even though he's none of the things women say they want. He's not sensitive or respectful, he doesn't have a good sense of humor, and he only treats other people well when he wants something. He's rich and has muscles and acts like he could take or leave any given woman. These redpillers have heard what a shitty guy he is when their friends who are women cry about how he never calls but they wish he would. That's a caricature, obviously, but it's the kind of dynamic redpillers are thinking about when they complain that women aren't honest about what they really want in a sex partner.

Lift weights, be kind, have stuff going on in your life that you enjoy and derive meaning from, cultivate friendships, learn to flirt, work on your skills in bed, and be honest about what you're looking for, even if it's casual. You will do great, and you will get to be a good person. Everyone wins.

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That's not going to get these guys laid. They see Chad Thundercock running around with hotties even though he's none of the things women say they want. He's not sensitive or respectful, he doesn't have a good sense of humor, and he only treats other people well when he wants something. He's rich and has muscles and acts like he could take or leave any given woman. These redpillers have heard what a shitty guy he is when their friends who are women cry about how he never calls but they wish he would. That's a caricature, obviously, but it's the kind of dynamic redpillers are thinking about when they complain that women aren't honest about what they really want in a sex partner.

Lift weights, be kind, have stuff going on in your life that you enjoy and derive meaning from, cultivate friendships, learn to flirt, work on your skills in bed, and be honest about what you're looking for, even if it's casual. You will do great, and you will get to be a good person. Everyone wins.

I mean, it's definitely not too complicated or unhealthy when you get down to the fundamentals. Work on yourself to where you are happy with yourself and your life and don't need another person for validation. At that point, you're very likely to attract a person that will make that good life better. (And, if you don't, it won't bother you that much.) What trips people up is when they don't like themselves very much and they blame others for their discontent -- whining about the injustice and unfairness of it all.

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That's not going to get these guys laid. They see Chad Thundercock running around with hotties even though he's none of the things women say they want. He's not sensitive or respectful, he doesn't have a good sense of humor, and he only treats other people well when he wants something. He's rich and has muscles and acts like he could take or leave any given woman. These redpillers have heard what a shitty guy he is when their friends who are women cry about how he never calls but they wish he would. That's a caricature, obviously, but it's the kind of dynamic redpillers are thinking about when they complain that women aren't honest about what they really want in a sex partner.

Lift weights, be kind, have stuff going on in your life that you enjoy and derive meaning from, cultivate friendships, learn to flirt, work on your skills in bed, and be honest about what you're looking for, even if it's casual. You will do great, and you will get to be a good person. Everyone wins.

I mean, it's definitely not too complicated or unhealthy when you get down to the fundamentals. Work on yourself to where you are happy with yourself and your life and don't need another person for validation. At that point, you're very likely to attract a person that will make that good life better. (And, if you don't, it won't bother you that much.) What trips people up is when they don't like themselves very much and they blame others for their discontent -- whining about the injustice and unfairness of it all.

Ignore most of what "women say they want". That is the lie.
Instead, focus on what are the "guys who are successful with women" doing. Be more like them, because that is the truth.

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That's not going to get these guys laid. They see Chad Thundercock running around with hotties even though he's none of the things women say they want. He's not sensitive or respectful, he doesn't have a good sense of humor, and he only treats other people well when he wants something. He's rich and has muscles and acts like he could take or leave any given woman. These redpillers have heard what a shitty guy he is when their friends who are women cry about how he never calls but they wish he would. That's a caricature, obviously, but it's the kind of dynamic redpillers are thinking about when they complain that women aren't honest about what they really want in a sex partner.

Lift weights, be kind, have stuff going on in your life that you enjoy and derive meaning from, cultivate friendships, learn to flirt, work on your skills in bed, and be honest about what you're looking for, even if it's casual. You will do great, and you will get to be a good person. Everyone wins.

I mean, it's definitely not too complicated or unhealthy when you get down to the fundamentals. Work on yourself to where you are happy with yourself and your life and don't need another person for validation. At that point, you're very likely to attract a person that will make that good life better. (And, if you don't, it won't bother you that much.) What trips people up is when they don't like themselves very much and they blame others for their discontent -- whining about the injustice and unfairness of it all.

Ignore most of what "women say they want". That is the lie.
Instead, focus on what are the "guys who are successful with women" doing. Be more like them, because that is the truth.

Kinda depends on what you mean by "successful." You're going to pick up one set of behaviors if you define success as "having sex with a lot of women regardless of whether the women is happy about it afterward and regardless of whether the man is happy with his life generally." You're going to pick up another set of behaviors if you define success as "having a long term relationship where both partners make each others' lives better."

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That's not going to get these guys laid. They see Chad Thundercock running around with hotties even though he's none of the things women say they want. He's not sensitive or respectful, he doesn't have a good sense of humor, and he only treats other people well when he wants something. He's rich and has muscles and acts like he could take or leave any given woman. These redpillers have heard what a shitty guy he is when their friends who are women cry about how he never calls but they wish he would. That's a caricature, obviously, but it's the kind of dynamic redpillers are thinking about when they complain that women aren't honest about what they really want in a sex partner.

Lift weights, be kind, have stuff going on in your life that you enjoy and derive meaning from, cultivate friendships, learn to flirt, work on your skills in bed, and be honest about what you're looking for, even if it's casual. You will do great, and you will get to be a good person. Everyone wins.

I mean, it's definitely not too complicated or unhealthy when you get down to the fundamentals. Work on yourself to where you are happy with yourself and your life and don't need another person for validation. At that point, you're very likely to attract a person that will make that good life better. (And, if you don't, it won't bother you that much.) What trips people up is when they don't like themselves very much and they blame others for their discontent -- whining about the injustice and unfairness of it all.

Ignore most of what "women say they want". That is the lie.
Instead, focus on what are the "guys who are successful with women" doing. Be more like them, because that is the truth.

Really? It's a lie when women say "I like confident, attractive guys?" Because tons of women will tell you that. It's not a secret. Many will add in "tall, high-earning, and great in bed", if they don't think you're going to judge them for that. You think guys with those attributes don't do extremely well?