Alleged teacher shortage

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

Not true for elementary education. That is its own major and has been.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone think the new CDC guidance is a big deal? Its now 15 minutes cumulative over 24 hours, instead of 15 minutes consecutive. Its not that different.

Your post is telling. Thankfully you’re not in charge of calling the shots, only those in your basement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone think the new CDC guidance is a big deal? Its now 15 minutes cumulative over 24 hours, instead of 15 minutes consecutive. Its not that different.

Your post is telling. Thankfully you’re not in charge of calling the shots, only those in your basement.

If they're in school all day (or even a half day), they're in school all day. Whether the 15 minutes of exposure is consecutive or not, this doesn't apply to schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone think the new CDC guidance is a big deal? Its now 15 minutes cumulative over 24 hours, instead of 15 minutes consecutive. Its not that different.

Your post is telling. Thankfully you’re not in charge of calling the shots, only those in your basement.

If they're in school all day (or even a half day), they're in school all day. Whether the 15 minutes of exposure is consecutive or not, this doesn't apply to schools.

What about transportation? I would think this would require extra contact tracing if students spend more than a few minutes on a bus, even with social distancing. If they're closer than 6' to a classmate or staff member for more than 15 minutes total, those people are considered exposed. That's entirely possible when you're talking about young kids or certain students with disabilities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

Not true for elementary education. That is its own major and has been.

Correct. All teachers I know in ES majored in Elementary Education.

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

Not true for elementary education. That is its own major and has been.

Correct. All teachers I know in ES majored in Elementary Education.

Not all states allow this. It was either a minor or added endorsement when I was in college

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

Not true for elementary education. That is its own major and has been.

Correct. All teachers I know in ES majored in Elementary Education.

Not all states allow this. It was either a minor or added endorsement when I was in college

Well VA does and has since forever, and this is the VA Schools forum sooooo......

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

Not true for elementary education. That is its own major and has been.

Correct. All teachers I know in ES majored in Elementary Education.

Not all states allow this. It was either a minor or added endorsement when I was in college

Well VA does and has since forever, and this is the VA Schools forum sooooo......

Most teachers I know did not go to college in Virginia sooooo...

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Maryland is the same. Teachers in college major in education.

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Anonymous wrote:There isn’t a shortage. There are enough certified teachers to work but they are choosing not to. Of course, the school districts don’t care about why teachers leave.

This is false. Less people are majoring in education. There is data to support it.

Teachers don't typically major in education--they major in a subject (e.g., literature, biology, math, history) and then get their licenses through an education program. This is required in VA. Only in the past couple years have undergraduate education programs even been allowed (the state did this to address the teacher shortage which is definitely real). But in VA you don't major in education, you major in whatever your academic subject is and enroll in an education licensure program.

Not true for elementary education. That is its own major and has been.

Correct. All teachers I know in ES majored in Elementary Education.

Not all states allow this. It was either a minor or added endorsement when I was in college

Well VA does and has since forever, and this is the VA Schools forum sooooo......

Most teachers I know did not go to college in Virginia sooooo...

You said “not all states allow this.” Virginia allows it. In fact I don’t think there is any other way to do in it VA, except through a second degree or career switcher program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Legitimately curious where people get their information who claim there is a teacher shortage in FCPS.

I am sure there are shortages in specialized subject areas, especially special ed, but not buying it re general ed classroom teachers.

I understand there are no substitutes since their daily pay is like $100 pre-tax and our school sent an email to parents begging them to get certified, put names on sublist. Just havent seen any sign the county has widespread difficulty filling normal classroom positions.

Teacher at FCPS. There are many schools who had long term subs all year in gen ed classrooms. There is a teacher shortage. I also think once schools decide on a plan there will be a lot of teachers resigning if they are scared to go back or if there are child care issues. We were hiring at my school and the amount of resumed coming in the past few years have gone down drastically.

I think you are overestimating the amount of teachers who can afford to forgo their pay. There are not that many teaching out of the goodness of their hearts - most actually need the salary.

Most teachers living in a high COL area are in two income households, and usually with a partner with a significantly higher salary and often better family benefits. Online teaching, tutoring in person or online and pod type situations are a booming market clamoring to hire capable, experienced teachers and those opportunities are not limited to only local and in person jobs.

Will every teacher quit if forced into in person? Of course not, but if you think it will be very small numbers that won't affect opening plans, you're highly mistaken.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If residential colleges are opening (most in VA are) I don’t see how K-12 stays closed.

Could it be that colleges are businesses that need to stay open for economic reasons? K-12 it's not a business.

Its even more important than a regular business! Its an essential service! It should be LESS likely to close than a business, not more likely!

Good thing it hasn't closed, then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A beloved 6th grade teacher at the school my child attended last year put in her retirement papers a year early this month. An FCPS ES. They are not rehiring for her position...all the kids are getting broken out into all the other teachers’ classes.

At the same school, another teacher just resigned because she would have to return in the first cohort and it was too risky for her family.

She quit a year into the school year? How unprofessional.

Just so I understand, DCUM posters have been clamoring for teachers to retire or take LOA if they didn't feel safe returning to school; one of those teachers actually did that and you're calling it unprofessional?

You've got it! Absurd, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many many individual schools are not going to have staffing issues. Those schools should be allowed to proceed with hybrid. Punishing an entire county full of kids because of a few schools is absurd.

That's not going to happen. The district will move as a district. No special (probably upper class) snowflakes in public school.