ECNL & DA Nationals Results

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DA is stronger on the boys side, but on the girls side ECNL is stronger.

There’s no comparison on the boys side. Girls depends on part of the country.

Girls only is arguable at the U17 and older. Younger than that the GDA is far stronger overall than the ECNL. There are few exceptional teams in ECNL but absolutely no depth.

That claim makes zero sense. At best, all you can say is that its is region by region. Some of the best clubs in the country left the DA to return to ECNL. PDA, FC Stars and Michigan Hawks left DA for ECNL and you argue that the talent is not deep.

I think the PP means the number of quality clubs across the board is not theat deep at ECNL. Yes, outside of PDA, Hawks there are few super clubs.

Some big Texas clubs went back to DA after going to ECNL, Tophat left ECNL as well as Real Colorado. And the big Southern Cal defections never materialized. Things are beginning to stabilize. It then is a matter of where the players migrate to and the choice between leagues really do allow kids to pick what is best for them. Our area is probably the most diluted in this fight but the upside is the net is cast much wider than in the past and that is better in the long run.

In terms of the number of quality teams in ECNL, I can say the same about any league. I think between Richmond and Baltimore, you have five teams that can probably compete with anyone in the country. Some of the teams are in ECNL, some in DA and others are independent. From 06 to 01, that is the case.

No, there is a difference between a Super Club and a one off great team at a club.

Let’s keep this to “Super Clubs”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DA is stronger on the boys side, but on the girls side ECNL is stronger.

There’s no comparison on the boys side. Girls depends on part of the country.

Girls only is arguable at the U17 and older. Younger than that the GDA is far stronger overall than the ECNL. There are few exceptional teams in ECNL but absolutely no depth.

That claim makes zero sense. At best, all you can say is that its is region by region. Some of the best clubs in the country left the DA to return to ECNL. PDA, FC Stars and Michigan Hawks left DA for ECNL and you argue that the talent is not deep.

I think the PP means the number of quality clubs across the board is not theat deep at ECNL. Yes, outside of PDA, Hawks there are few super clubs.

Some big Texas clubs went back to DA after going to ECNL, Tophat left ECNL as well as Real Colorado. And the big Southern Cal defections never materialized. Things are beginning to stabilize. It then is a matter of where the players migrate to and the choice between leagues really do allow kids to pick what is best for them. Our area is probably the most diluted in this fight but the upside is the net is cast much wider than in the past and that is better in the long run.

In terms of the number of quality teams in ECNL, I can say the same about any league. I think between Richmond and Baltimore, you have five teams that can probably compete with anyone in the country. Some of the teams are in ECNL, some in DA and others are independent. From 06 to 01, that is the case.

FCV is the closest CLUB we have locally to a "Super Club" as they have strong teams at every age group and some very strong teams. Every other club has one off teams that are high quality. The area is indeed diluted but as PP alluded to, over time, the lion's share of the top talent will concentrate in the GDA because it is the top tier of soccer now. ECNL cannot stake a claim to that any longer. It just isn't credible to say it.

One league plays elite level soccer all year round, the other markets playing HS soccer for a good percentage of their season. And by the way, prior to GDA, ECNL was not touting HS at all. They have to find something to latch on to.

[Anonymous]

You could argue that Pipeline is stronger than FCV and with Armour taking over WS MD, the gap will widen. Pipeline already funnels some top players to its DA affiliate, Armour, yet still maintains strong, national teams. It has two teams attending the US Soccer National Championship. FCV has strong A teams but does not have national caliber B teams that can compete with ECNL/DA teams.

Bethesda has the potential but has not been able to pull it off. Hell, there A teams aren't even national caliber.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You could argue that Pipeline is stronger than FCV and with Armour taking over WS MD, the gap will widen. Pipeline already funnels some top players to its DA affiliate, Armour, yet still maintains strong, national teams. It has two teams attending the US Soccer National Championship. FCV has strong A teams but does not have national caliber B teams that can compete with ECNL/DA teams.

Bethesda has the potential but has not been able to pull it off. Hell, there A teams aren't even national caliber.

Agreed. Pipeline is the top club in the area. They have teams qualifying for USYSA nationals.

FCV is the best club by far. They play in the DA which is the best league because I said so. Everything wad screwed up until GDA came along. Now everything is perfect.

[Anonymous]

LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

put the bong down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

put the bong down

I wish this forums weren't anonymous so that I can know which ignorant poster is responding. Pipeline had a team at the DA playoffs and two teams going to US Youth Soccer nationals. I don't believe the 05s have lost to an ECNL team. Even if your nose is buried in DA, you would still know that the WS MD team which will become more of a Pipeline club had a respectable season and will become more competitive under Pipeline/Armour leadership. FCV does not have B teams as strong as Pipeline's B teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

put the bong down

I wish this forums weren't anonymous so that I can know which ignorant poster is responding. Pipeline had a team at the DA playoffs and two teams going to US Youth Soccer nationals. I don't believe the 05s have lost to an ECNL team. Even if your nose is buried in DA, you would still know that the WS MD team which will become more of a Pipeline club had a respectable season and will become more competitive under Pipeline/Armour leadership. FCV does not have B teams as strong as Pipeline's B teams.

LMAO. The former WS DA team will not become any more a "Pipeline" club than they were previously. The only thing that's changing there is who is signing the staff checks; the partnership has been in place since the start. It was always WS-Baltimore Armour.

Pipeline has good talent. FCV has good talent. So do many other "elite" clubs in this area.

None are "Super Clubs." Not by a longshot. If you spent any significant amount of time actually watching these games, you'd know that. Anonymous or otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

put the bong down

I wish this forums weren't anonymous so that I can know which ignorant poster is responding. Pipeline had a team at the DA playoffs and two teams going to US Youth Soccer nationals. I don't believe the 05s have lost to an ECNL team. Even if your nose is buried in DA, you would still know that the WS MD team which will become more of a Pipeline club had a respectable season and will become more competitive under Pipeline/Armour leadership. FCV does not have B teams as strong as Pipeline's B teams.

LMAO. The former WS DA team will not become any more a "Pipeline" club than they were previously. The only thing that's changing there is who is signing the staff checks; the partnership has been in place since the start. It was always WS-Baltimore Armour.

Pipeline has good talent. FCV has good talent. So do many other "elite" clubs in this area.

None are "Super Clubs." Not by a longshot. If you spent any significant amount of time actually watching these games, you'd know that. Anonymous or otherwise.

Sorry but you are leaving out key details. First, the fact that Pipeline/Armour will be a club centered around Baltimore as opposed to one practicing in Germantown and Columbia, is a big deal. The club will now draw from the talented teams in the Baltimore area that were not willing to travel out to Germantown for practice. Also, w/o WS involved, the Pipeline/Armour crew can take total control of the training and selection.

Yes, Pipeline and FCV both have good talent but FCV does not have nationally competitive B teams. They just don't. Let's put it this way, if Pipeline wanted to stay in DA and field an ECNL team, they could do both. FCV can't and remain competitive across both leagues.

Finally, I did not say that Pipeline is a Super Club. The argument is that in this area, Pipeline is the closest to a competitive club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

Pipeline is not the DA. VDA has similar club partnerships that sit on top of two major feeding clubs but Neither PWSI nor VSA can claim to be a top club because of partnership.

Pipeline is feeder just as is SAC. Pipelines A teams are EDP, that is how it is structured. Baltimore Armour IS the DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

put the bong down

I wish this forums weren't anonymous so that I can know which ignorant poster is responding. Pipeline had a team at the DA playoffs and two teams going to US Youth Soccer nationals. I don't believe the 05s have lost to an ECNL team. Even if your nose is buried in DA, you would still know that the WS MD team which will become more of a Pipeline club had a respectable season and will become more competitive under Pipeline/Armour leadership. FCV does not have B teams as strong as Pipeline's B teams.

LMAO. The former WS DA team will not become any more a "Pipeline" club than they were previously. The only thing that's changing there is who is signing the staff checks; the partnership has been in place since the start. It was always WS-Baltimore Armour.

Pipeline has good talent. FCV has good talent. So do many other "elite" clubs in this area.

None are "Super Clubs." Not by a longshot. If you spent any significant amount of time actually watching these games, you'd know that. Anonymous or otherwise.

Sorry but you are leaving out key details. First, the fact that Pipeline/Armour will be a club centered around Baltimore as opposed to one practicing in Germantown and Columbia, is a big deal. The club will now draw from the talented teams in the Baltimore area that were not willing to travel out to Germantown for practice. Also, w/o WS involved, the Pipeline/Armour crew can take total control of the training and selection.

Yes, Pipeline and FCV both have good talent but FCV does not have nationally competitive B teams. They just don't. Let's put it this way, if Pipeline wanted to stay in DA and field an ECNL team, they could do both. FCV can't and remain competitive across both leagues.

Finally, I did not say that Pipeline is a Super Club. The argument is that in this area, Pipeline is the closest to a competitive club.

And Pipeline dosn't have DA teams either.

[Anonymous]

You guys are going to make pipeline dad so mad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

put the bong down

I wish this forums weren't anonymous so that I can know which ignorant poster is responding. Pipeline had a team at the DA playoffs and two teams going to US Youth Soccer nationals. I don't believe the 05s have lost to an ECNL team. Even if your nose is buried in DA, you would still know that the WS MD team which will become more of a Pipeline club had a respectable season and will become more competitive under Pipeline/Armour leadership. FCV does not have B teams as strong as Pipeline's B teams.

LMAO. The former WS DA team will not become any more a "Pipeline" club than they were previously. The only thing that's changing there is who is signing the staff checks; the partnership has been in place since the start. It was always WS-Baltimore Armour.

Pipeline has good talent. FCV has good talent. So do many other "elite" clubs in this area.

None are "Super Clubs." Not by a longshot. If you spent any significant amount of time actually watching these games, you'd know that. Anonymous or otherwise.

Sorry but you are leaving out key details. First, the fact that Pipeline/Armour will be a club centered around Baltimore as opposed to one practicing in Germantown and Columbia, is a big deal. The club will now draw from the talented teams in the Baltimore area that were not willing to travel out to Germantown for practice. Also, w/o WS involved, the Pipeline/Armour crew can take total control of the training and selection.

Yes, Pipeline and FCV both have good talent but FCV does not have nationally competitive B teams. They just don't. Let's put it this way, if Pipeline wanted to stay in DA and field an ECNL team, they could do both. FCV can't and remain competitive across both leagues.

Finally, I did not say that Pipeline is a Super Club. The argument is that in this area, Pipeline is the closest to a competitive club.

Let's put it this way, better clubs than Pipeline were denied two teams per age group in ECNL. Pipeline is not PDA, not by a long shot. Please just stop. Pipeline is a feeder club. The WS Spirit MD teams were not dominant. It sounds like if anything Pipeline is hoarding players and as a club is not really buying into DA. Parents like you seem to be convincing other parents that keeping the team together and being the best team in a third tier league is the best way to go. If the kids on your team are considering playing in college you are doing those players an incredible disservice by persuading them to stay at EDP in order to milk GotSoccer points when ECNL and DA simply do not do enough GotSoccer events to generally be in the mix of the overall rankings. Past U13 GotSoccer rankings are fools gold.

Your kids will not get to play in showcases that would benefit them while hoping that Jeff Cup will get it done. The coaches attending Jeff Cup versus ECNL or DA events is laughable. Pipeline is not DA and if you think that the club affiliation will carry any kind of weight you are wrong. You have to explain your teams success like someone explaining the punchline of a bad joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at both of you. There are no super clubs in the area.

Define "Super club."

My argument is that Pipeline is closer to fitting that definition than any other club in the area. Anytime you have a club with an A nd B team that are nationally competitive, you have include them. In the NE, PDA and FC Stars fit the definition. Pipeline is the closest example in this area.

put the bong down

I wish this forums weren't anonymous so that I can know which ignorant poster is responding. Pipeline had a team at the DA playoffs and two teams going to US Youth Soccer nationals. I don't believe the 05s have lost to an ECNL team. Even if your nose is buried in DA, you would still know that the WS MD team which will become more of a Pipeline club had a respectable season and will become more competitive under Pipeline/Armour leadership. FCV does not have B teams as strong as Pipeline's B teams.

LMAO. The former WS DA team will not become any more a "Pipeline" club than they were previously. The only thing that's changing there is who is signing the staff checks; the partnership has been in place since the start. It was always WS-Baltimore Armour.

Pipeline has good talent. FCV has good talent. So do many other "elite" clubs in this area.

None are "Super Clubs." Not by a longshot. If you spent any significant amount of time actually watching these games, you'd know that. Anonymous or otherwise.

Sorry but you are leaving out key details. First, the fact that Pipeline/Armour will be a club centered around Baltimore as opposed to one practicing in Germantown and Columbia, is a big deal. The club will now draw from the talented teams in the Baltimore area that were not willing to travel out to Germantown for practice. Also, w/o WS involved, the Pipeline/Armour crew can take total control of the training and selection.

Yes, Pipeline and FCV both have good talent but FCV does not have nationally competitive B teams. They just don't. Let's put it this way, if Pipeline wanted to stay in DA and field an ECNL team, they could do both. FCV can't and remain competitive across both leagues.

Finally, I did not say that Pipeline is a Super Club. The argument is that in this area, Pipeline is the closest to a competitive club.

Let's put it this way, better clubs than Pipeline were denied two teams per age group in ECNL. Pipeline is not PDA, not by a long shot. Please just stop. Pipeline is a feeder club. The WS Spirit MD teams were not dominant. It sounds like if anything Pipeline is hoarding players and as a club is not really buying into DA. Parents like you seem to be convincing other parents that keeping the team together and being the best team in a third tier league is the best way to go. If the kids on your team are considering playing in college you are doing those players an incredible disservice by persuading them to stay at EDP in order to milk GotSoccer points when ECNL and DA simply do not do enough GotSoccer events to generally be in the mix of the overall rankings. Past U13 GotSoccer rankings are fools gold.

Your kids will not get to play in showcases that would benefit them while hoping that Jeff Cup will get it done. The coaches attending Jeff Cup versus ECNL or DA events is laughable. Pipeline is not DA and if you think that the club affiliation will carry any kind of weight you are wrong. You have to explain your teams success like someone explaining the punchline of a bad joke.

Exactly. Pipeline is a feeder club to a DA team and merely a decent DA team at that. Pipeline is also not the only feeder club to that DA. Anyone pitching Pipeline as a DA or ECNL equivalent is in fantasyland. As a PP said in addtion to the post I am responding to, VDA is a partnership club and to say that either PWSI or VSA are super club because they feed into a partnership club in the ECNL is asinine.

Just please stop Pipeline dad. And PP is right, you are selling parents a false bill of goods if you are trying to convince other parents that Jeff Cup, EDP Cup, Bethesda Tournament, etc. are getting anywhere near the exposure of DA and ECNL showcases. That is either extremely ignorant of reality or intentional deception.