ECNL & DA Nationals Results

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Anonymous wrote:BDA people love throwing Pulisic name out their as their crowning achievement. Once you dig deeper you will find that the BDA did not cultivate him. The BDA has been around for 12 years. It's a failure. The USMNT is shameful. And who is behind it all? The USSF!

At least three FIFA world players of the year winners played High school soccer. The US darling of this World Cup, Rose Lavelle, played high school.

Do I believe that HS soccer made these players what they are? Nope. Do I believe that club soccer made them what they are? Nope.
Do I believe that BDA made Pulisic what he is? Nope.

Human development is so much deeper.

what this statement ignores is that our USMNT would be significantly worse without the BDA and the reason is that ECNL and every other league has all the problems of the DA PLUS less training, less coaching education, less referee education, more overload, and more crappy soccer competition in general. If the BDA didn't exist, none of USSF's numerous problems would magically be fixed. The BDA addresses some (albeit not nearly enough) of the problems associated with youth soccer in this country. The GDA will solve those same problems and for this reason is better than ECNL or any other league even if the DA is not anywhere near perfect.

Is the USMNT better because of the DA or because players are playing in professional academies now (mls)?

The conversation cannot be only about the USMNT. We have more high-level individual players now than we have ever had. Much of this can be attributed to the DA. Unfortunately, many of those players either flame out with the USMNT or MLS because of the systemic issues with both USSF and MLS (one in the same). So using MLS and USMNT as a measuring stick won't be valuable until both MLS and USSF have a complete overhaul in leadership.

[Anonymous]

It sounds like you are bracing to introduce us to socialism or communism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you are bracing to introduce us to socialism or communism.

Lol. What is ironic is how 100% wrong that statement is. European politics are socialist, but their football is capitalist. Here, our politics are capitalist but our football is socialist. In Europe, there are incentives to do well in terms of development and results and consequences (promotion/relegation or bankruptcy) exist if you do not. Here, you can finish last in MLS and get rewarded with a top pick in the draft. Here we have revenue sharing with the best performing (development and results) clubs subsidizing the worst.

And you're telling me I am introducing us to socialism? For soccer, we are socialist as it gets and we need to go capitalist.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you are bracing to introduce us to socialism or communism.

Lol. What is ironic is how 100% wrong that statement is. European politics are socialist, but their football is capitalist. Here, our politics are capitalist but our football is socialist. In Europe, there are incentives to do well in terms of development and results and consequences (promotion/relegation or bankruptcy) exist if you do not. Here, you can finish last in MLS and get rewarded with a top pick in the draft. Here we have revenue sharing with the best performing (development and results) clubs subsidizing the worst.

And you're telling me I am introducing us to socialism? For soccer, we are socialist as it gets and we need to go capitalist.

And all of our Pro leagues are closed systems that use the same socialist models of revenue sharing and reward weakness and failure with draft picks. We use salary caps to make sure the economics are also even.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like you are bracing to introduce us to socialism or communism.

Lol. What is ironic is how 100% wrong that statement is. European politics are socialist, but their football is capitalist. Here, our politics are capitalist but our football is socialist. In Europe, there are incentives to do well in terms of development and results and consequences (promotion/relegation or bankruptcy) exist if you do not. Here, you can finish last in MLS and get rewarded with a top pick in the draft. Here we have revenue sharing with the best performing (development and results) clubs subsidizing the worst.

And you're telling me I am introducing us to socialism? For soccer, we are socialist as it gets and we need to go capitalist.

And all of our Pro leagues are closed systems that use the same socialist models of revenue sharing and reward weakness and failure with draft picks. We use salary caps to make sure the economics are also even.

More succinctly put. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Who remembers this? Thanks USSF. Atta boy!

Trinidad and Tobago, whose World Cup dreams ended months ago, stunned the United States, 2-1, on Tuesday night. The result, combined with just-as-shocking outcomes in two simultaneous games in Honduras and Panama on the final day of qualifying for the Concacaf region, ushered in the unthinkable: The American men, mainstays of the World Cup for more than a generation, are out of next summer’s tournament in Russia.

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Anonymous wrote:Who remembers this? Thanks USSF. Atta boy!

Trinidad and Tobago, whose World Cup dreams ended months ago, stunned the United States, 2-1, on Tuesday night. The result, combined with just-as-shocking outcomes in two simultaneous games in Honduras and Panama on the final day of qualifying for the Concacaf region, ushered in the unthinkable: The American men, mainstays of the World Cup for more than a generation, are out of next summer’s tournament in Russia.

And Pulisic was the only player in that game who had played DA.

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Anonymous wrote:Who remembers this? Thanks USSF. Atta boy!

Trinidad and Tobago, whose World Cup dreams ended months ago, stunned the United States, 2-1, on Tuesday night. The result, combined with just-as-shocking outcomes in two simultaneous games in Honduras and Panama on the final day of qualifying for the Concacaf region, ushered in the unthinkable: The American men, mainstays of the World Cup for more than a generation, are out of next summer’s tournament in Russia.

And Pulisic was the only player in that game who had played DA.

And he is our best player at the moment.

Agree or disagree with the order in this list, what is clear is that the top players have one thing in common, they're not playing in the MLS or college soccer. And, I would bet a lot that the ones that are, won't get to or stay at the top of this list for very long.

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Anonymous wrote:Who remembers this? Thanks USSF. Atta boy!

Trinidad and Tobago, whose World Cup dreams ended months ago, stunned the United States, 2-1, on Tuesday night. The result, combined with just-as-shocking outcomes in two simultaneous games in Honduras and Panama on the final day of qualifying for the Concacaf region, ushered in the unthinkable: The American men, mainstays of the World Cup for more than a generation, are out of next summer’s tournament in Russia.

And Pulisic was the only player in that game who had played DA.

And he is our best player at the moment.

Agree or disagree with the order in this list, what is clear is that the top players have one thing in common, they're not playing in the MLS or college soccer. And, I would bet a lot that the ones that are, won't get to or stay at the top of this list for very long.

sorry...the list...

https://www.goal.com/en-us/lists/usmnt-top-50-americans-in-the-2022-world-cup-player-pool/461pfr5dkbk11snj50dx47jv5#hln0aalqhxu01rs180ewwwcfi

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Anonymous wrote:PDA is an outlier and represents the strength of the NE Conference.

Take a look at the NE U15 standings as an example of your claim being wrong.

PDA finished in 3rd. The top 6 records in the U15 standards are:
10-3-1
10-3-1
9-2-3
9-2-3
9-2-3
9-3-2

That looks like a Conference that can do battle with PDA.

Lets look at the U16s in the NE:
10-1-3
10-3-1
9-2-3
9-3-2
8-3-3
7-4-3

PDA has two teams in this age group and finished 3rd and 4th.

U17s:
12-2
11-1-2
11-1-2
9-1-4
8-3-3
7-4-3

PDA finished 2nd.

So exactly what makes PDA such an outlier? The North East is just a flat out strong Conference. The Mid Atlantic is not. As a matter of fact, the U13s and U14s are the only 1st place conference teams and they did it only within their Division. U13 and U14 are the only age groups to break up the conference by division to lesson travel at the younger age groups.

What is your point. The NE Division is probabley the strongest in the nation and will only get stronger next year. This has always been the case. You are adding Zero value.

It is answering the argument that PDA is an outlier based on the following quote "PDA is an outlier and represents the strength of the NE Conference."

The NE as a conference is only one of three very strong conferences. The Mid Atlantic is not included in that list. Just facts.

Neither is the DA Atlantic Division. In fact, the entire East Coast DA is downright horrible.

Florida= Horrible
Georgia = Tophat (nothing else)
South Carolina = Nothing
North Carolina = old Casl. (Nothing else)
Virginia = FCV (nothing else)
Maryland= Nothing really
PA = Penn Fusion (nothing else)
NJ = Cedar Stars (nothing else)
Conn = Horrible
All of New England = NEFC (nothing else)

That is the entire east coast of the United States of America my friend.

How does this make the Mid Atlantic better?

It doesnt make them better. It means pick your poison and stop acting like the sky is falling.

There are better ECNL teams
There are better DA teams
There are better conference
There are better divsions

Am I telling you something new?

Where did I ever imply that the sky is falling? I said the Mid Atlantic is a weak ECNL Conference and I demonstrated the ways that it is a weak Conference. My initial point has not yet been disproved.

You dont see the failure in your anaylsis and never will. So let's change the discussion for a second.

For someone who puts so much time effort into looking up numbers to make a point, can you give us a local alternative.

That is easy. The one closest to home where your kid is a starter. DA, ECNL, it doesn't matter. There are no power house clubs here and there are no power league conferences.

As I said all along.

It's all team (age group) specific not club specific. The MA teams are national contenders. Some are not.

I don't believe this is true. The FCV teams at every age group would by top 1 or 2 in the area.

[Anonymous]

Who remembers this from a month ago:

The United States men’s national team is playing some of its worst soccer in the almost two years since it failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup on that fateful night in Trinidad, and that’s saying something. In its two warmup friendlies ahead of the Gold Cup, the Stars and Stripes have looked listless and lost in defeats to Jamaica and Venezuela.

[Anonymous]

How about this?

To be clear, the odds of qualifying for international tournaments from CONCACAF are in the United States’s favor every time, and yet our teams have failed to do so at every level.

(Keep beating those drums boys)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about this?

To be clear, the odds of qualifying for international tournaments from CONCACAF are in the United States’s favor every time, and yet our teams have failed to do so at every level.

(Keep beating those drums boys)

Do you even read what you are responding to? I haven't seen a single post pumping up the USMNT. You are arguing with a shadow.

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Better than a mirror, no?

[Anonymous]

Someone, anyone, please tell me when we can expect all the great male talent being spit out by our Boys DA national league. It's been 12 years.

When it was started, kids were 14. They first group that went through should be 26, 25, 24, 23, 22.....

We should could use the help to beat some of these tiny island nations with 1/4 the resources.