DOJ argues that migrant children should not receive toothbrushes or soap

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Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

The specific facility without toothbrushes and soap is 24 hour or less processing center.

My kids used the same lice comb. You have to clean it between uses. Have you read that they're moving from kid to kid w/o sanitizing the combs in boiling water?

If you treated your kids like this someone would call CPS. But you know that and are just trolling.

Why would I troll? I've called CPS on a few occasions. I know what abuse is- physical, emotional, and sexual.

But you believe what you want. I really don't care.

I'm still asking what you want them to do. If there isn't enough space, for example, where do they sleep? And if they're in close quarters, they will continue to pass along lice and illnesses. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the lice, which takes DAYS to remove. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the spread of illnesses. Sleeping in close quarters won't prevent any sexual misconduct from occurring either.

I am sure these BP folks are frustrated and tired, and thus, taking some cruel measures. Of course that's wrong, but this job - similar to some military experiences - comes with its own PTSD. BP also have families - many of them - which means they themselves have to protect their health.

So it's easy to read a story in The New Yorker, for example, and then make a generalization about all detention camp conditions and all BP. I know, however, with 100% certainty that you would not last a day in that job. I don't care how compassionate you THINK you are, but it's easy to become hardened b/c of unbearable and unmanageable situations.

You’re absolutely right. I would not last a day working as a guard in a concentration camp, punishing kids for losing lice combs, leaving sick kids unattended until lawyers showed up...I am quite proud of the fact that that is not a job I could do.

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Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

The specific facility without toothbrushes and soap is 24 hour or less processing center.

My kids used the same lice comb. You have to clean it between uses. Have you read that they're moving from kid to kid w/o sanitizing the combs in boiling water?

If you treated your kids like this someone would call CPS. But you know that and are just trolling.

Why would I troll? I've called CPS on a few occasions. I know what abuse is- physical, emotional, and sexual.

But you believe what you want. I really don't care.

I'm still asking what you want them to do. If there isn't enough space, for example, where do they sleep? And if they're in close quarters, they will continue to pass along lice and illnesses. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the lice, which takes DAYS to remove. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the spread of illnesses. Sleeping in close quarters won't prevent any sexual misconduct from occurring either.

I am sure these BP folks are frustrated and tired, and thus, taking some cruel measures. Of course that's wrong, but this job - similar to some military experiences - comes with its own PTSD. BP also have families - many of them - which means they themselves have to protect their health.

So it's easy to read a story in The New Yorker, for example, and then make a generalization about all detention camp conditions and all BP. I know, however, with 100% certainty that you would not last a day in that job. I don't care how compassionate you THINK you are, but it's easy to become hardened b/c of unbearable and unmanageable situations.

Um, cruelty is never ok. Especially to kids. It doesn't matter if someone has been cruel to you beforehand, that doesn't make it ok to take it out on others. Especially kids. If you feel like you have to, then you need to step away from the job. I don't care how sympathetic to BP you THINK you are, lets see how you'd handle it if they were supervising YOUR kids. I doubt you'd be so willing to give a pass to their cruelty. At least, I hope you wouldn't.

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Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

The specific facility without toothbrushes and soap is 24 hour or less processing center.

My kids used the same lice comb. You have to clean it between uses. Have you read that they're moving from kid to kid w/o sanitizing the combs in boiling water?

they're sleeping on the floor, without soap, with the lights on, under aluminum blankets. do you honestly think the BPD staff are santitizing the combs with boiling water?

Don't roll your eyes at me. Answer the damn question instead of speculating.

Lol. The kids had two combs, lost one, and lost their mats and blankets as punishment. Is all this focus on how simply boiling the remaining comb would make it all ok somehow helping you think this is all ok?

Who's supplying them with combs, lice medication, shampoo, diapers, clothes, etc?

I stated upthread that most people placed in charged (and we're talking about BP) could withstand those situations day after day.

So yes, if there are two combs for every room, then boiling the comb between uses is better than nothing. It's not efficient, but you and I have no clue what's available to BPs in terms of resources.

easy to blame when you're the one behind the screen and not the one at the border . . .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

What's not ok is trekking children thousands of miles across dangerous conditions to get a free ride.
it's not ok to try to enter the country illegally and expect to get in.

take it up with their parents. This is not the children's fault.

Also, you have no idea if they are all "illegal" or not. Presenting yourself for asylum is NOT illegal.

And how do you know they are looking for a free ride? Immigrants are majority hard working people who are grateful to be able to be here.

+1 These are children. In some cases, children taking care of children.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/migrant-children-border-soap.html
A chaotic scene of sickness and filth is unfolding in an overcrowded border station in Clint, Tex., where hundreds of young people who have recently crossed the border are being held, according to lawyers who visited the facility this week. Some of the children have been there for nearly a month.

Children as young as 7 and 8, many of them wearing clothes caked with snot and tears, are caring for infants they’ve just met, the lawyers said. Toddlers without diapers are relieving themselves in their pants. Teenage mothers are wearing clothes stained with breast milk.

Most of the young detainees have not been able to shower or wash their clothes since they arrived at the facility, those who visited said. They have no access to toothbrushes, toothpaste or soap.

“There is a stench,” said Elora Mukherjee, director of the Immigrants’ Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School, one of the lawyers who visited the facility. “The overwhelming majority of children have not bathed since they crossed the border.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

The specific facility without toothbrushes and soap is 24 hour or less processing center.

My kids used the same lice comb. You have to clean it between uses. Have you read that they're moving from kid to kid w/o sanitizing the combs in boiling water?

If you treated your kids like this someone would call CPS. But you know that and are just trolling.

Why would I troll? I've called CPS on a few occasions. I know what abuse is- physical, emotional, and sexual.

But you believe what you want. I really don't care.

I'm still asking what you want them to do. If there isn't enough space, for example, where do they sleep? And if they're in close quarters, they will continue to pass along lice and illnesses. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the lice, which takes DAYS to remove. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the spread of illnesses. Sleeping in close quarters won't prevent any sexual misconduct from occurring either.

I am sure these BP folks are frustrated and tired, and thus, taking some cruel measures. Of course that's wrong, but this job - similar to some military experiences - comes with its own PTSD. BP also have families - many of them - which means they themselves have to protect their health.

So it's easy to read a story in The New Yorker, for example, and then make a generalization about all detention camp conditions and all BP. I know, however, with 100% certainty that you would not last a day in that job. I don't care how compassionate you THINK you are, but it's easy to become hardened b/c of unbearable and unmanageable situations.

Um, cruelty is never ok. Especially to kids. It doesn't matter if someone has been cruel to you beforehand, that doesn't make it ok to take it out on others. Especially kids. If you feel like you have to, then you need to step away from the job. I don't care how sympathetic to BP you THINK you are, lets see how you'd handle it if they were supervising YOUR kids. I doubt you'd be so willing to give a pass to their cruelty. At least, I hope you wouldn't.

Then you pay more money to either hire more BP (b/c there are simply not enough) or find other for profit centers that are more efficient and humane.

And while you're at it, stop the abuse in foster care, too. But that's too close to home, I bet.

It's easy to pick a cause when it doesn't directly affect you b/c it's a thousand miles away.

No on is advocating for inhumane treatment. But the hypocrisy is maddening. These kids are entering with trauma, illness and lice (least of our worries), and if too many are coming in, a few BPs with limited resources cannot do a damn thing about it. So preach it, hon! But your words also don't mean a damn thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

The specific facility without toothbrushes and soap is 24 hour or less processing center.

My kids used the same lice comb. You have to clean it between uses. Have you read that they're moving from kid to kid w/o sanitizing the combs in boiling water?

If you treated your kids like this someone would call CPS. But you know that and are just trolling.

Why would I troll? I've called CPS on a few occasions. I know what abuse is- physical, emotional, and sexual.

But you believe what you want. I really don't care.

I'm still asking what you want them to do. If there isn't enough space, for example, where do they sleep? And if they're in close quarters, they will continue to pass along lice and illnesses. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the lice, which takes DAYS to remove. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the spread of illnesses. Sleeping in close quarters won't prevent any sexual misconduct from occurring either.

I am sure these BP folks are frustrated and tired, and thus, taking some cruel measures. Of course that's wrong, but this job - similar to some military experiences - comes with its own PTSD. BP also have families - many of them - which means they themselves have to protect their health.

So it's easy to read a story in The New Yorker, for example, and then make a generalization about all detention camp conditions and all BP. I know, however, with 100% certainty that you would not last a day in that job. I don't care how compassionate you THINK you are, but it's easy to become hardened b/c of unbearable and unmanageable situations.

You’re absolutely right. I would not last a day working as a guard in a concentration camp, punishing kids for losing lice combs, leaving sick kids unattended until lawyers showed up...I am quite proud of the fact that that is not a job I could do.

nice way to skirt around the issue

not clever - But I'll give you credit for trying.

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Anonymous wrote:So at remote border outposts overwhelmed by large volume drop offs we want the same standard of care as at long term facilities? Meanwhile rural Americans dont see a doctor, at all, for four years. Meanwhile our current deficit (that American children will pay) is 207 billion dollars. This years government budget gap rose to 42 percent (what comes in with taxes/goes out in expenditures). We are hosting our visitors on borrowed money - is it like monopoly money? Just trying to connect all the dots in this crisis.

Blaming our country’s failings of poor people on other poor people.
If only we could get rid of these illegal poor people then all the good things will shower down upon you legal poor people.

Resources are finite. If we are providing for illegal poor people, legal poor people are getting shafted.

You're evading the point. When the government takes custody of a person, then the government assumes the responsibility to treat them humanely. This isn't about some kind of government benefit being provided to "illegal poor persons," but rather deplorable detention conditions.

For one night? In a facility that's overwhelmed? That IS humane. Sorry.

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Look up images of folk in concentration camps. Post them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Resources wouldn’t be so damn finite if you idiots hadn’t decided to starve the gov’t and give it all to the rich people

I find it laughable that you try to pretend you care about our current low income people. You have a damn funny way of showing it.

LOL. The government has always such good stewards of our tax dollars. Please add as much as you can extra - the IRS takes donations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

The specific facility without toothbrushes and soap is 24 hour or less processing center.

My kids used the same lice comb. You have to clean it between uses. Have you read that they're moving from kid to kid w/o sanitizing the combs in boiling water?

If you treated your kids like this someone would call CPS. But you know that and are just trolling.

Why would I troll? I've called CPS on a few occasions. I know what abuse is- physical, emotional, and sexual.

But you believe what you want. I really don't care.

I'm still asking what you want them to do. If there isn't enough space, for example, where do they sleep? And if they're in close quarters, they will continue to pass along lice and illnesses. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the lice, which takes DAYS to remove. Sleeping on a cot won't stop the spread of illnesses. Sleeping in close quarters won't prevent any sexual misconduct from occurring either.

I am sure these BP folks are frustrated and tired, and thus, taking some cruel measures. Of course that's wrong, but this job - similar to some military experiences - comes with its own PTSD. BP also have families - many of them - which means they themselves have to protect their health.

So it's easy to read a story in The New Yorker, for example, and then make a generalization about all detention camp conditions and all BP. I know, however, with 100% certainty that you would not last a day in that job. I don't care how compassionate you THINK you are, but it's easy to become hardened b/c of unbearable and unmanageable situations.

Um, cruelty is never ok. Especially to kids. It doesn't matter if someone has been cruel to you beforehand, that doesn't make it ok to take it out on others. Especially kids. If you feel like you have to, then you need to step away from the job. I don't care how sympathetic to BP you THINK you are, lets see how you'd handle it if they were supervising YOUR kids. I doubt you'd be so willing to give a pass to their cruelty. At least, I hope you wouldn't.

Then you pay more money to either hire more BP (b/c there are simply not enough) or find other for profit centers that are more efficient and humane.

And while you're at it, stop the abuse in foster care, too. But that's too close to home, I bet.

It's easy to pick a cause when it doesn't directly affect you b/c it's a thousand miles away.

No on is advocating for inhumane treatment. But the hypocrisy is maddening. These kids are entering with trauma, illness and lice (least of our worries), and if too many are coming in, a few BPs with limited resources cannot do a damn thing about it. So preach it, hon! But your words also don't mean a damn thing.

Umm, YOU are advocating for inhumane treatment when you say "Oh, those poor BP guards. They have a tough job, so it's ok if they abuse children". They shouldn't be apprehending these children if they can't house them without abusing them.

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Those are from 2015 under Obama, the pictures are an Obama legacy.

Also, the toothbrush thing is from Obama too
https://www.aila.org/File/Related/14111359v.pdf

Hilarious. No one looked at the date. I just can't

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Anonymous wrote:Well, when the southerners and Texans flee north due to climate change, which they deny, we can hold them in similar type pens and see how they like it.

AMEN.

+1

Sadly, new statistics show growth of 8 illegal aliens for every 1 American citizen in TX these days. This is why Democrats are not acting. This is how they plan to take over (and destroy) our great nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

The specific facility without toothbrushes and soap is 24 hour or less processing center.

My kids used the same lice comb. You have to clean it between uses. Have you read that they're moving from kid to kid w/o sanitizing the combs in boiling water?

they're sleeping on the floor, without soap, with the lights on, under aluminum blankets. do you honestly think the BPD staff are santitizing the combs with boiling water?

EXACTLY. Anyone actually think the combs are being sanitized? GTFO.

Someone is taking the time to treat them and to comb out their hair to get rid of nits. JFC

[Anonymous]

Oh, so kind of them to throw some lice treatment brushes at kids in cages.

Gee, thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the problem with this "it's only one night" BS is that these kids are NOT being held only one night.

Also, did people miss the part about the lice combs being used by MULTIPLE kids? That is NOT OK.

The specific facility without toothbrushes and soap is 24 hour or less processing center.

My kids used the same lice comb. You have to clean it between uses. Have you read that they're moving from kid to kid w/o sanitizing the combs in boiling water?

they're sleeping on the floor, without soap, with the lights on, under aluminum blankets. do you honestly think the BPD staff are santitizing the combs with boiling water?

Don't roll your eyes at me. Answer the damn question instead of speculating.