$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high schoool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

From the article:
Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed.

This sounds like a prejudiced comment to me, ie. those sneaky Asian Americans who get in are likely "gaming" the test. The only real problem here is that the NYC school system is failing a large number of its students. Disappointed that people would choose to suggest any blame should be attributed to Asian American students or that they aren't deserving. How misguided can you be?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

Amen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the question: why are there so few schools that are on the level of Styvesant et al when there are clearly thousands of smart kids who may not make this cut, but are still very talented. Seems nuts to me.

Agree. Su scale G&T in NYC public schools and here in MCPS. Should serve 5% of pop not 1% or less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

[Anonymous]

So does "gaming the system" mean studying for the test? If so, it should be expected that students would study for a test. Of they don't, don't expect stellar results. I don't get what the big deal is. You shouldn't get something for nothing. If the AA or Latinos or whoever don't prepare for this test, why should the seats be given to them?

[Anonymous]

What's wrong with studying for a test? When your kid has a test don't you tell him to study for it? Or do you think he should be able to pass the test without studying to show that he's *really* smart and deserves that A?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So does "gaming the system" mean studying for the test? If so, it should be expected that students would study for a test. Of they don't, don't expect stellar results. I don't get what the big deal is. You shouldn't get something for nothing. If the AA or Latinos or whoever don't prepare for this test, why should the seats be given to them?

+1 . Sounds to me like:

I'm not going to take the test because it's too hard
I'm not going to do well because the other kids are studying
I'm not going to study because the other kids will only study harder
I'm not going to take the test because the whole system is rigged against me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

+1 my DC's soccer team practices 2x/week. The other teams practice 1x/week. My DC's soccer team didn't lose a single game last year. I guess they gamed the system so they don't really deserve the division championship.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, if the Asian kids are studying their butts off and working hard to get the test scores that get them in, they should be allowed to go to the school regardless or their race. If the test is the only metric, and they're not found cheating or bribing to get in, there is no bias.

Additionally, why is this such an outrage? We should be more concerned about parents that are bribing people to take the exam for their kids or bribing the schools via some kind of weird scheme for a tax break. That's a rigged system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if the Asian kids are studying their butts off and working hard to get the test scores that get them in, they should be allowed to go to the school regardless or their race. If the test is the only metric, and they're not found cheating or bribing to get in, there is no bias.

Additionally, why is this such an outrage? We should be more concerned about parents that are bribing people to take the exam for their kids or bribing the schools via some kind of weird scheme for a tax break. That's a rigged system.

I agree.
SAT - everyone does some kind of study. Paying for heavier test prep is fine. It’s work.
AAP - fine too. Lol, it’s funny, because where does it lead you...... but yeah sure it’s fine if that’s what you want to do.

Any kind of studying is fine in my book. All but studying the answer key!!

It’s not gaming the system to study. It’s a choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

You do realize their are a ton of great athletes that can't afford the top teams and coaches and get less exposure at tournaments. So yes... it's similar. Plus Catholic school coaches have relationships with coaches and get their kids into college before another deserving kid. There are literally movies about how corrupt the system is.

[Anonymous]

Since in the end effort accounts for much more success than underlying potential, it seems like we should be aiming to target the hard workers, frankly.