$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high schoool

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

+1 my DC's soccer team practices 2x/week. The other teams practice 1x/week. My DC's soccer team didn't lose a single game last year. I guess they gamed the system so they don't really deserve the division championship.

It doesn't mean your kid is better, just means he had better coaching. If each child had the same opportunities as your son then it would be equal.

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Anonymous wrote:Since in the end effort accounts for much more success than underlying potential, it seems like we should be aiming to target the hard workers, frankly.

In what world is that true?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

+1 my DC's soccer team practices 2x/week. The other teams practice 1x/week. My DC's soccer team didn't lose a single game last year. I guess they gamed the system so they don't really deserve the division championship.

It doesn't mean your kid is better, just means he had better coaching. If each child had the same opportunities as your son then it would be equal.

Her son's team would still be the champion!

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Anonymous wrote:Since in the end effort accounts for much more success than underlying potential, it seems like we should be aiming to target the hard workers, frankly.

In what world is that true?

In most of free and capitalistic Planet Earth.

Certainly not in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and many other sh*tholes.

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Anonymous wrote:Since in the end effort accounts for much more success than underlying potential, it seems like we should be aiming to target the hard workers, frankly.

In what world is that true?

In most of free and capitalistic Planet Earth.

Certainly not in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and many other sh*tholes.

So you'd rather have the surgeon who works really hard but incompetent over the surgeon who is lazy but competent? I can't think of a high-stakes career where it's more important to "work hard" than to actually be capable.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

+1 my DC's soccer team practices 2x/week. The other teams practice 1x/week. My DC's soccer team didn't lose a single game last year. I guess they gamed the system so they don't really deserve the division championship.

It doesn't mean your kid is better, just means he had better coaching. If each child had the same opportunities as your son then it would be equal.

Her son's team would still be the champion!

In her little teeny tiny world... yes. My son lost every game 1 year and they created a bracket for all the teams that lost all their games.. and he won the championship so technically, my son's team are champions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since in the end effort accounts for much more success than underlying potential, it seems like we should be aiming to target the hard workers, frankly.

In what world is that true?

In most of free and capitalistic Planet Earth.

Certainly not in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and many other sh*tholes.

So you'd rather have the surgeon who works really hard but incompetent over the surgeon who is lazy but competent? I can't think of a high-stakes career where it's more important to "work hard" than to actually be capable.

Exactly many great engineers are lazy, they will spend a whole year designing something to make their life easier.

A family friend was so annoyed by turning a pepper mill he invented the electric pepper mill... live in nantucket... never worked again, very lazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

More basketball references, huh?

Did you prep your kid for NNAT?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

+1 my DC's soccer team practices 2x/week. The other teams practice 1x/week. My DC's soccer team didn't lose a single game last year. I guess they gamed the system so they don't really deserve the division championship.

It doesn't mean your kid is better, just means he had better coaching. If each child had the same opportunities as your son then it would be equal.

Then they should make that opportunity, just like the coaches and parents did for my son and his team. They all had the same opportunities, they just didn't do it.

Never said they were better. Just said that they practiced more and won the championship. Does that mean they gamed the system like these kids who studied more?

Since when is studying and preparing for a test considered gaming the system? If your kid had a test wouldn't you want your kid to study and prepare for it?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

+1 my DC's soccer team practices 2x/week. The other teams practice 1x/week. My DC's soccer team didn't lose a single game last year. I guess they gamed the system so they don't really deserve the division championship.

It doesn't mean your kid is better, just means he had better coaching. If each child had the same opportunities as your son then it would be equal.

Her son's team would still be the champion!

In her little teeny tiny world... yes. My son lost every game 1 year and they created a bracket for all the teams that lost all their games.. and he won the championship so technically, my son's team are champions.

Yes, we should one division for each team so that every child can "win" their divisions and give them a trophy for participating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since in the end effort accounts for much more success than underlying potential, it seems like we should be aiming to target the hard workers, frankly.

In what world is that true?

In most of free and capitalistic Planet Earth.

Certainly not in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and many other sh*tholes.

So you'd rather have the surgeon who works really hard but incompetent over the surgeon who is lazy but competent? I can't think of a high-stakes career where it's more important to "work hard" than to actually be capable.

Exactly many great engineers are lazy, they will spend a whole year designing something to make their life easier.

A family friend was so annoyed by turning a pepper mill he invented the electric pepper mill... live in nantucket... never worked again, very lazy.

There is a difference between being lazy so they create something to make life easier and not wanting to put effort into something to create opportunities. It's no wonder the US education system is going down the tubes.

I'm betting you wouldn't want a lazy doctor who doesn't keep your medical records straight. There are varying degrees of laziness.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since in the end effort accounts for much more success than underlying potential, it seems like we should be aiming to target the hard workers, frankly.

In what world is that true?

In most of free and capitalistic Planet Earth.

Certainly not in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, and many other sh*tholes.

So you'd rather have the surgeon who works really hard but incompetent over the surgeon who is lazy but competent? I can't think of a high-stakes career where it's more important to "work hard" than to actually be capable.

Exactly many great engineers are lazy, they will spend a whole year designing something to make their life easier.

A family friend was so annoyed by turning a pepper mill he invented the electric pepper mill... live in nantucket... never worked again, very lazy.

1. Nobody becomes an engineer if they are truly lazy.
2. Yay....let's extrapolate one irrelevant anecdote to validate the idiotic premise.

[Anonymous]

The only way to correct this is to take a more holistic approach to admissions instead of relying so much on a test. And, yes, this may result in the rejection of some qualified Asian students, but there are plenty of other top NYC high schools for them to excel at. And, at the end of the day, this is just high school, not college. It is not going to be the end all be all of anyone’s life. I am of the camp that it is better for college admissions to stand out and be the special person at a lesser school than to be in the middle of the pack at a school like Stuyvesant.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to correct this is to take a more holistic approach to admissions instead of relying so much on a test. And, yes, this may result in the rejection of some qualified Asian students, but there are plenty of other top NYC high schools for them to excel at. And, at the end of the day, this is just high school, not college. It is not going to be the end all be all of anyone’s life. I am of the camp that it is better for college admissions to stand out and be the special person at a lesser school than to be in the middle of the pack at a school like Stuyvesant.

I'm reposting a comment from several pages earlier:

"Looking at admissions, saying “hmmm there are too many Asians” and then changing the system so that we get fewer Asians is the definition of institutional racism. Can’t wait until affirmative action is struck down and we can stop this diversity BS."

Do you not see that?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting insight from a woman who attended Stuyvesant:
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/03/stuyvesant-high-schools-chronic-lack-black-students/585349/

"The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them,"

that's all the can be done it's up to the students and parents to decide how much work and effort they want to put in now

"Miller says that she was the only student in her majority-Latino middle school who planned to take the selective high-school placement test. Many of her fellow students didn’t know about it, she says. The city has expanded efforts to inform more students about the test, and provide preparatory tutoring for them, but the needle still has not moved on black enrollment. Miller isn’t sure that getting rid of the test altogether is a good idea, but she is concerned that the test can be gamed. She took a prep course, and she heard of several other people who took three or four. Some students can learn how to take the test and get a leg up; others think the odds are so stacked against them that it isn’t even worth it to try."

this is like saying some AAU players cheat becaseu they practice more bball while non-aau players are just playing pickup and not really putting in that work.

+1 my DC's soccer team practices 2x/week. The other teams practice 1x/week. My DC's soccer team didn't lose a single game last year. I guess they gamed the system so they don't really deserve the division championship.

It doesn't mean your kid is better, just means he had better coaching. If each child had the same opportunities as your son then it would be equal.

Her son's team would still be the champion!

In her little teeny tiny world... yes. My son lost every game 1 year and they created a bracket for all the teams that lost all their games.. and he won the championship so technically, my son's team are champions.

Yes, we should one division for each team so that every child can "win" their divisions and give them a trophy for participating.

Exactly... What league.did he play in? Big woop. Winning the championship is meaningless.