Update on Harvard Lawsuit

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

How do you know if someone is the product of AA? Do you assume anyone that is not white or Asian?

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

This is a type of AA preference. At Harvard, it's called, "Z-list." One requirement is Harvard-imposed gap year before enrolling.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/17/admissions-docs-zlist/

Z list is for connected people. AA preference kicks in way before you get that far in the process.

It's for connected kids who don't have the stats. It includes AA for connected people Harvard can't afford to offend.

This is false. A colleuge's super smart kid turned down MIT this year to start next year at Harvard after a gap. They're not "connected" or filthy rich. I think the kid got off the waiting list and they made that gap year offer.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

This is a type of AA preference. At Harvard, it's called, "Z-list." One requirement is Harvard-imposed gap year before enrolling.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/17/admissions-docs-zlist/

Not very smart if he/she turned down MIT for Harvard.


Z list is for connected people. AA preference kicks in way before you get that far in the process.

It's for connected kids who don't have the stats. It includes AA for connected people Harvard can't afford to offend.

This is false. A colleuge's super smart kid turned down MIT this year to start next year at Harvard after a gap. They're not "connected" or filthy rich. I think the kid got off the waiting list and they made that gap year offer.

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The Harvard enforced gap year is probably designed to protect Harvard stats. I doubt Harvard needs to report low stats for gap-year students.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

This is a type of AA preference. At Harvard, it's called, "Z-list." One requirement is Harvard-imposed gap year before enrolling.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/17/admissions-docs-zlist/

Z list is for connected people. AA preference kicks in way before you get that far in the process.

It's for connected kids who don't have the stats. It includes AA for connected people Harvard can't afford to offend.

This is false. A colleuge's super smart kid turned down MIT this year to start next year at Harvard after a gap. They're not "connected" or filthy rich. I think the kid got off the waiting list and they made that gap year offer.

Sample size of 1. And who knows what "colleuge's super smart kid" turned down?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

Very unfortunate outcome, but very reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

This is a type of AA preference. At Harvard, it's called, "Z-list." One requirement is Harvard-imposed gap year before enrolling.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/17/admissions-docs-zlist/

Z list is for connected people. AA preference kicks in way before you get that far in the process.

It's for connected kids who don't have the stats. It includes AA for connected people Harvard can't afford to offend.

This is false. A colleuge's super smart kid turned down MIT this year to start next year at Harvard after a gap. They're not "connected" or filthy rich. I think the kid got off the waiting list and they made that gap year offer.

Sample size of 1. And who knows what "colleuge's super smart kid" turned down?

+1 I find it to be mildly depressing how unintelligent most posters on DCUM seem to be. Extrapolating random anecdotes into immutable truisms seems to be a common manifestation of this shared stupidity.

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This is false. A colleague's super smart kid turned down MIT this year to start next year at Harvard after a gap. They're not "connected" or filthy rich. I think the kid got off the waiting list and they made that gap year offer.

Sample size of 1. And who knows what "colleuge's super smart kid" turned down?

The Harvard gap year kid is pseudo friends with my child. On facebook the kid's profile went from MIT '22 to Harvard '23 at some point over the summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You obviously never went to law school or medical school. My experience and my husband's experience is that you should never underestimate your minority classmates because if you are looking for them to be on the left side of the bell curve in IQ or grades or work ethic, they're probably going to clock you from the right. Idiot lawyers and less than smart doctors abound, but it has nothing to do with AA.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You obviously never went to law school or medical school. My experience and my husband's experience is that you should never underestimate your minority classmates because if you are looking for them to be on the left side of the bell curve in IQ or grades or work ethic, they're probably going to clock you from the right. Idiot lawyers and less than smart doctors abound, but it has nothing to do with AA.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but standardized tests such as SAT, ACT, MCAT, LSAT are IQ tests in disguise. The SAT scores for AA students at Harvard can be approximately 400-500 lower in SAT than non-AA students.

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Aren't HYPS rich enough to just not take Pell Grants (i.e. federal funding) anymore so they can do what they want with admissions? Or is there a bigger chunk of federal funding you have to turn down?

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't HYPS rich enough to just not take Pell Grants (i.e. federal funding) anymore so they can do what they want with admissions? Or is there a bigger chunk of federal funding you have to turn down?

Research grants.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You obviously never went to law school or medical school. My experience and my husband's experience is that you should never underestimate your minority classmates because if you are looking for them to be on the left side of the bell curve in IQ or grades or work ethic, they're probably going to clock you from the right. Idiot lawyers and less than smart doctors abound, but it has nothing to do with AA.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but standardized tests such as SAT, ACT, MCAT, LSAT are IQ tests in disguise. The SAT scores for AA students at Harvard can be approximately 400-500 lower in SAT than non-AA students.

No. They were developed to be a proxy for IQ but that is no longer true with all of the prepping. For example, kids that raise their scores 200-300 points (which is not unheard of) did not suddenly get smarter. The higher score the second time is attributable to prep and exposure, not a rise in IQ. It would be more informative to compare unprepped, first time scores.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You obviously never went to law school or medical school. My experience and my husband's experience is that you should never underestimate your minority classmates because if you are looking for them to be on the left side of the bell curve in IQ or grades or work ethic, they're probably going to clock you from the right. Idiot lawyers and less than smart doctors abound, but it has nothing to do with AA.

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Clearly, someone who had a number of strong math classes will perform significantly better than someone who had poor math classes, all else equal.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You obviously never went to law school or medical school. My experience and my husband's experience is that you should never underestimate your minority classmates because if you are looking for them to be on the left side of the bell curve in IQ or grades or work ethic, they're probably going to clock you from the right. Idiot lawyers and less than smart doctors abound, but it has nothing to do with AA.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but standardized tests such as SAT, ACT, MCAT, LSAT are IQ tests in disguise. The SAT scores for AA students at Harvard can be approximately 400-500 lower in SAT than non-AA students.

No. They were developed to be a proxy for IQ but that is no longer true with all of the prepping. For example, kids that raise their scores 200-300 points (which is not unheard of) did not suddenly get smarter. The higher score the second time is attributable to prep and exposure, not a rise in IQ. It would be more informative to compare unprepped, first time scores.

I am pretty sure if you prep for the IQ test, anyone can increase the score just having seen it. No one ever does it cuz we can't use IQ scores for college without a riot. So, we just call it SAT, LSAT, MCAT.