Update on Harvard Lawsuit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our liberal agenda is to increase political power, beginning with the midterm. Then push for the liberal agenda including affirmative action. Once we have students in place in highly selective colleges and units, things will naturally fall into place. This will naturally allow the POC to move up in various institutions, including in corporations and in government. Affirmative action is only the first step.

You are assuming those AA-benefited people also have the smarts to "move up". The most upwardly mobile minority in most institutions today (private and publc) are Indians, none of whom benefited from affirmative action and most either came from India or first-generation. While most of them are supportive of minority empowerment in general they are not big fans of AA when it personally affects them (e.g. college admissions for their kids).

Even if you disagree with my above statement, reality is AA has been around for a long time and enough Blacks and Hispanics have benefited from it. They are in good positions within many institutions to be able to make the changes you talk about. They just don't have the skills,desire or both to actually do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

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If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

Mmm.. Sorry to burst your bubble, not everyone who is British is Royalty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

DP You straw-man is moronic and has zero to do with AA.....move along.

Has everything to do with AA. When a DCUM nobody thinks she's on the same level as one in a millions African-American female, brings to focus the life chances and opportunities of people of color in this racist society. It brings to focus the need for AA.

Honestly, I think you lack critical thinking (and writing) skills to even comment on this subject.

Ok, DCUM Nobody. Obviously you - but not others - are entitled to comment on this subject.

[Anonymous]

AA must go. It’s reverse discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Problem is AA is not fair. However, without it URM cannot compete. A lose lose situation

[Anonymous]

My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

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Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

DP You straw-man is moronic and has zero to do with AA.....move along.

Has everything to do with AA. When a DCUM nobody thinks she's on the same level as one in a millions African-American female, brings to focus the life chances and opportunities of people of color in this racist society. It brings to focus the need for AA.

Honestly, I think you lack critical thinking (and writing) skills to even comment on this subject.

Ok, DCUM Nobody. Obviously you - but not others - are entitled to comment on this subject.

Point. Straight over pps head.

Why does AA focus on someone's race and not the other circumstances of their life? Why should a rich "royalty dating" black woman be given a leg up over a poor white kid that grew up in a meth-infested town in Appalachia? Because racial diversity is good, but economic diversity is not? Minorities make up the majority of Harvard's class of 2021, but their student body is still overwhelmingly financially privileged. Go to Harvard, where you can study with rich people of ALL ethnic backgrounds!

According to the Harvard Crimson in 2017: The median family income for Harvard undergraduates is $168,800—more than three times the national median, according to a recent study. With an average student at the 79th income percentile, Harvard's median family income was the third-lowest in the Ivy League: Brown, with a $204,200 median family income, ranked first.....With 4.5 percent of students from the bottom 20 percent of the income distribution, Harvard ranks 2011th out of the 2395 schools for its proportion of low-income students.

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Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

DP You straw-man is moronic and has zero to do with AA.....move along.

Has everything to do with AA. When a DCUM nobody thinks she's on the same level as one in a millions African-American female, brings to focus the life chances and opportunities of people of color in this racist society. It brings to focus the need for AA.

Honestly, I think you lack critical thinking (and writing) skills to even comment on this subject.

Ok, DCUM Nobody. Obviously you - but not others - are entitled to comment on this subject.

Point. Straight over pps head.

Why does AA focus on someone's race and not the other circumstances of their life? Why should a rich "royalty dating" black woman be given a leg up over a poor white kid that grew up in a meth-infested town in Appalachia? Because racial diversity is good, but economic diversity is not? Minorities make up the majority of Harvard's class of 2021, but their student body is still overwhelmingly financially privileged. Go to Harvard, where you can study with rich people of ALL ethnic backgrounds!

According to the Harvard Crimson in 2017: The median family income for Harvard undergraduates is $168,800—more than three times the national median, according to a recent study. With an average student at the 79th income percentile, Harvard's median family income was the third-lowest in the Ivy League: Brown, with a $204,200 median family income, ranked first.....With 4.5 percent of students from the bottom 20 percent of the income distribution, Harvard ranks 2011th out of the 2395 schools for its proportion of low-income students.

There's evidence that Malia Obama is an AA child. It's a speculation based on the gap year she took. Imagine that. The daughter of one of the most powerful man and woman on this planet did not have what it takes. So, imagine the typical black child. What chance does he or she have in this racist society?

[Anonymous]

IMO it's a real stretch to say she took a gap year because she's AA. Can you imagine starting off college with secret service? For a kid that age it's awful and she had available any interesting internships or travel she would want that year. Why wouldn't any sane person do that and experience the year of a lifetime?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

This is a type of AA preference. At Harvard, it's called, "Z-list." One requirement is Harvard-imposed gap year before enrolling.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/17/admissions-docs-zlist/

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Anonymous wrote:Good, balanced article that provides some context to the current debate..

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

I know this article. When it says:"Wang was rejected from all the Ivy League universities he had applied to, except the University of Pennsylvania." is when you should stop reading it. In the first sentence of paragraph 2.

Top kid applies to elite colleges and gets in one. Can someone point out the problem to me?

O

If he was black he would have gotten into all eight. Heck, if he was white he might have had a chance at HYP. Try to keep up....it isn’t that hard.

Yet, you would never trade places with that black kid with his or her life chances and opportunities in a racist society.

I'd trade places with Malia Obama. And yet, for "Affirmative Action" purposes, her application (or one from the daughter of Robert Johnson) gets the same weight as a black kid from the inner city. I don't have a problem with kids who are from truly disadvantaged backgrounds having their records evaluated in light of the obstacles they've overcome. But why should a rich black kid have an advantage over a poor white kid?

... And we finally have a taker!!!! A DCUM nobody is willing to trade places with a black female - but only because she's a Harvard student dating a British royalty and is a daughter of a former president of the US, the most powerful nation and empire the world has ever seen. In short, an African-American privileged princess is equivalent to a DCUM nobody. But for her dating a British royalty, would you trade places?

DP You straw-man is moronic and has zero to do with AA.....move along.

Has everything to do with AA. When a DCUM nobody thinks she's on the same level as one in a millions African-American female, brings to focus the life chances and opportunities of people of color in this racist society. It brings to focus the need for AA.

Honestly, I think you lack critical thinking (and writing) skills to even comment on this subject.

Come back - but only after you get your GED. Only grown ups are allowed here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

This is a type of AA preference. At Harvard, it's called, "Z-list." One requirement is Harvard-imposed gap year before enrolling.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/17/admissions-docs-zlist/

Z list is for connected people. AA preference kicks in way before you get that far in the process.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

This is a type of AA preference. At Harvard, it's called, "Z-list." One requirement is Harvard-imposed gap year before enrolling.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/17/admissions-docs-zlist/

Z list is for connected people. AA preference kicks in way before you get that far in the process.

It's for connected kids who don't have the stats. It includes AA for connected people Harvard can't afford to offend.

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Anonymous wrote:My personal philosophy that has served me well is.. never hire a professional that is a product of AA. The standards were lowered too much, commitment and capacity is not either. The few times I went to doctors for emergencies, the AA candidate proved my philosophy right.

You conveniently left out other categories of students who get into highly selective schools even with sub-par academic credentials - 1. Legacy preference, 2. Recruited Athletes, 3. Massive donations, 4. Children of Big Power (political), Big Business people, 5. Children of Faculty and Staff. All these students have much higher probabilities of getting admission than do similarly qualified non-hook students.

If you are for eliminating AA preference, you should also be for eliminating preference for the above categories as well, unless of course you are an hypocrite due to being a racist.

This is a type of AA preference. At Harvard, it's called, "Z-list." One requirement is Harvard-imposed gap year before enrolling.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/6/17/admissions-docs-zlist/

While the "Z-list" consists of above mentioned categories, a significant number of students from the above categories are admitted directly without Harvard requiring them to have a gap year.