Liberals: How can you, in good conscience, support illegal immigrants?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're never going to move the needle if you don't end birthright citizenship and challenge Plyler v. Doe.

As long as Third World Central Americans know they can breed with abandon and then send their teens on trains & airplanes north for free benefits, American public school & free college, they'll keep coming en masse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

More like as long as they know that they can get a job here, they will come.

exactly. illegal immigrants come here to WORK. not to "rip off"
Americand.

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Anonymous wrote:I've always wondered how you can support and defend people who are living in the U.S. illegally; people who have jumped ahead of the thousands of others waiting patiently for years to become LEGAL citizens.

Please explain why you're so eager to catch Trump committing illegal acts, but have no issue with illegal immigrants. You know, people who are breaking our laws every single minute of every single day. Thanks.

I don't know a single person of any political stripe who supports illegal immigration. The difference is that liberals recognize illegal immigrants as human beings with a right to basic dignity and humane treatment. OP is typical of many on the right, whose belief in the inherent dignity of humanity only applies when it's convenient for them.

Isn't every criminal a human being?

Define "criminal" for purposes of this conversation. I've noticed that the loudest voices against illegal immigration tend to lump illegal entry (a misdemeanor) in with felony offenses like homicide, child molestation, cannibalism, etc., which is not exactly conducive to constructive discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:If Republicans wanted to end illegal immigration they would go after the employers. They don't because they are profiting from it.

They are playing poor whites for fools and I can't believe you don't see this as they laugh all the way to the bank.

Read little more than WAPO bezos personal blog

It is the democrats. Chuckle and Nancy that refuse to pass E-Verify

E-verify passed and has been in use for 10 years.

The problem is two-fold: 1) states can apply it any way they want, and 2) there’s virtually no enforcement of compliance.

The entire system is uneven; businesses and lobbying factions can and do use their power to exert pressure on state legislatures to use it in their favor.

Republicans are the ones clamoring for states’ rights because, as they do with education, healthcare, the environment and other factors critical to the well-being of people they prefer to manipulate federal policy in what they see as competition for business.

Business is always going to act in the interest of profit. Business prefers a continuous pipeline of illegal labor. Business will keep that pipeline for as long as they’re able, which means for as long as they can keep paying lawmakers for the policies that support their interest.

This. Go after the employers, and the problem will be solved.

Why dont republicans go after the employers?

Um, 7-11 and I'm sure others.
Which employers did last administration investigate? Zip.

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Anonymous wrote:If Republicans wanted to end illegal immigration they would go after the employers. They don't because they are profiting from it.

They are playing poor whites for fools and I can't believe you don't see this as they laugh all the way to the bank.

Read little more than WAPO bezos personal blog

It is the democrats. Chuckle and Nancy that refuse to pass E-Verify

E-verify passed and has been in use for 10 years.

The problem is two-fold: 1) states can apply it any way they want, and 2) there’s virtually no enforcement of compliance.

The entire system is uneven; businesses and lobbying factions can and do use their power to exert pressure on state legislatures to use it in their favor.

Republicans are the ones clamoring for states’ rights because, as they do with education, healthcare, the environment and other factors critical to the well-being of people they prefer to manipulate federal policy in what they see as competition for business.

Business is always going to act in the interest of profit. Business prefers a continuous pipeline of illegal labor. Business will keep that pipeline for as long as they’re able, which means for as long as they can keep paying lawmakers for the policies that support their interest.

This. Go after the employers, and the problem will be solved.

Why dont republicans go after the employers?

Same reason democrats didn’t when they were in power.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're never going to move the needle if you don't end birthright citizenship and challenge Plyler v. Doe.

As long as Third World Central Americans know they can breed with abandon and then send their teens on trains & airplanes north for free benefits, American public school & free college, they'll keep coming en masse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

More like as long as they know that they can get a job here, they will come.

exactly. illegal immigrants come here to WORK. not to "rip off"
Americand.

So do legal immigrants. Remember them? - the ones who are following the rules and waiting in line.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They take far more than they provide. Few pay any taxes.

Even the ones who file returns usually commit tax fraud by claiming non-existent dependants to inflate the size of their return.

If we eliminated the concept of illegal alien, and just made all workers legal, immigrants would have more incentive to look for regular jobs with W-2's and 1099's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, I'll bite. While I don't "support" illegal immigration I am sympathetic to those who feel they have no other choice and I recognize that they are people who shouldn't be talked about as though they are pests who need to be eliminated. While of course it would be better if everyone took the legal path that legal path to citizenship is more difficult than most can even conceive.

Regardless, here is why I can at least sympathize with people who can't wait for that.

1) I have traveled to a number of the countries they are coming from. There are children dying in those places from starvation and malnutrition. There are small children who have to go out alone to sell goods in the street because literally everyone in the family must work to survive. There are 10 and 12 year old girls forced to work as prostitutes and 10 year old boys who are killed if they refuse to join drug running gangs. So while I don't encourage illegal immigration, I understand that there are very real reasons for it, and if My darling daughter was starving there is nothing short of murder that I wouldn't do to save her. If I am honest with myself I know that my placement (and my daughter's) in this country was a happy accident of birth, and not because I did anything to earn it.

2) I understand that this has been used by Republicans to scare people or make them think that this is why they are struggling economically. Illegal immigrants are largely doing jobs Americans won't take--bussing tables, cleaning hotel rooms, picking fruit, etc. Automation and technological innovation have taken most of the jobs Americans have lost, not immigrants.

3) And finally, I am a Christian and the Bible is very clear, in multiple references, about how we are to treat strangers who come to our land.

So that is why I don't "support" it, but I refuse to treat it as the most important problem we're facing--not by a long shot.

This PP has articulated how I feel about it.

[Anonymous]

Thank your lucky stars you are in America and write what you want to OP. Stop begrudging others. Get rid of your anger and help out at a Republican children's home

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're never going to move the needle if you don't end birthright citizenship and challenge Plyler v. Doe.

As long as Third World Central Americans know they can breed with abandon and then send their teens on trains & airplanes north for free benefits, American public school & free college, they'll keep coming en masse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyler_v._Doe

More like as long as they know that they can get a job here, they will come.

exactly. illegal immigrants come here to WORK. not to "rip off"
Americand.

So do legal immigrants. Remember them? - the ones who are following the rules and waiting in line.

+1. This!!!

I'm a US citizen who came in through the legal process. Took me over 15 years to become a citizen. Many lost opportunities along the way.

It looks like we go through a "let's forgive the illegals and make them legit" phase every 20+ years (30 this time). This clears the backlog and begins the accumulation for the next batch. Any amnesty this time around should be accompanied by funding for a full wall.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank your lucky stars you are in America and write what you want to OP. Stop begrudging others. Get rid of your anger and help out at a Republican children's home

I guess tiny

Bend over and take it while my company fires more US citizens and replaces with H1Bs? Got it

Go back to Bethesda and make sure you close the gate as you disappear into your enclave

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank your lucky stars you are in America and write what you want to OP. Stop begrudging others. Get rid of your anger and help out at a Republican children's home

I guess tiny

Bend over and take it while my company fires more US citizens and replaces with H1Bs? Got it

Go back to Bethesda and make sure you close the gate as you disappear into your enclave

This is why you would never be taken seriously when you talk about "illegal" immigrants. H1Bs are not illegal immigrants. Until your leaders make all "immigrations" illegal - please learn what these terms mean.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank your lucky stars you are in America and write what you want to OP. Stop begrudging others. Get rid of your anger and help out at a Republican children's home

I guess tiny

Bend over and take it while my company fires more US citizens and replaces with H1Bs? Got it

Go back to Bethesda and make sure you close the gate as you disappear into your enclave

This is why you would never be taken seriously when you talk about "illegal" immigrants. H1Bs are not illegal immigrants. Until your leaders make all "immigrations" illegal - please learn what these terms mean.

It is the same concept for low skilled workers.

But people like you don’t care or think that increasing the supply of low skilled workers has no impact on existing workers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They take far more than they provide. Few pay any taxes.

Even the ones who file returns usually commit tax fraud by claiming non-existent dependants to inflate the size of their return.

If we eliminated the concept of illegal alien, and just made all workers legal, immigrants would have more incentive to look for regular jobs with W-2's and 1099's.

So just ignore that they broke the law and treat law-abiding immigrants and law-flouting immigrants the same? Why have laws at all?

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno, OP. I gotta kind of admire the tenacity and daring of people who go through hell in search of a better life. I mean, I suspect a good chunk of undocumented immigrants have a whole lot better work ethic and chase-those-opportunities attitude than, say, the unemployed opioid addicts in rural Ohio. Maybe send those people back to the home countries of the illegal aliens came from and have them struggle to get their way back, and it will help them learn to persevere like someone who spent weeks walking through a dessert without water.

I know my ancestors came here without any papers and I've always admired their chutzpah of trading a situation they knew for the unknown. I think it's those people that have given America it's 'can-do' attitude.

So, in your mind undocumented immigrants are better than the unemployed opioid addicts in rural Ohio? You comparing them to complete scum and tell us that they are a whole lot better than the scum. Hmmmm

It's pretty revealing where they stand in your social hierarchy.

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Anonymous wrote:Because my faith tells me to support them

I would have a lot of respect to you and your faith if you would take at least one of the DACA children, house him (not necessary at your house, just buy him a small apartment), pay for his private school from K-12 grade, and then pay for his community college. Then I would have respect for your believe. What are you doing now is saying, just because I am a Christian, everybody has to pay for my believe.

How do you know how much money I give to charities and which ones?

I don't know how much you give to the charities, but I know for sure you did not raise any single DACA child. This is totally different issues.

The test is whether you raise a Dreamer? You are truly a moron.

Thank you for calling me a moron. I wish your mama teach you a better manners. The test for wahat? For my believes? I never claimed to be a Christian, but I also never imposed my believes on anyone, and moreover, never made anyone to pay for my believes.

Russian bot is broken. Try again.

Try again what?

Using proper English.

I can't. English is not my first language. It is weird that you are so supportive of illegal immigrants and at the same time your level of tolerance goes down when we don't speak a proper English.

Are you Russian?

Racists much?