PARCC test results - slight increase in scores overall, white students see drop, Wilson plunges

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Banneker deserves a top of the line reno. Shame all the money has been spent on Duke Ellington. Great scores.

+1.

But we all know that DCPS policy is to reward BAD schools.

If Banneker wants a top of the line reno, you need to drop those scores, fast.

+1 Banneker parent here and the state of the school pisses me off. Those kids deserve better.

This is something we should ALL get behind.

True.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Banneker deserves a top of the line reno. Shame all the money has been spent on Duke Ellington. Great scores.

So when I look at the Banneker page on MyschoolDC, it shows that only 32% percent of students meet expectations in math. How can that be with a test in highschool?

MyschoolDC hasn't been updated with the most recent scores. That was their score in 2015; they showed big gains this year in both ELA and Math. http://results.osse.dc.gov/school/402

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Differences between Banneker, WIlson, SWW.

Size -- number of students per grade

Facilities -- Banneker has not been renovated; other schools are larger

Extracurriculars/sports -- Wilson stronger than either SWW or Banneker

But I agree that familiarity and racism is a huge factor. There is a strong tradition among AA families to send their children to Banneker and there's a growing Latino presence.

White families haven't jumped in yet but I suspect they may, eventually. Remember that Wash Latin, which is now very popular among white families, graduated few white families who were leery of its high school (it was seem as ok for middle but then they went private/Wilson/SWW).

Good start.

More differences...

-- Location/ commute
-- Alumni network
-- Attrition rate
-- Diversity (not only in terms of race, but also SES and interests/ skills)
-- Level of academic pressure

I honestly think race and privilege are a huge factor. At Banneker, a white kid does not get to benefit in any way from his race. The standards are so high that he can't even depend on the whole "my white kid will do fine anyway" mantra that some people believe. That must be just plain scary to many folks -- not only to be a very small white minority, but also to compete on even footing with black students, without being able to rely on any comparative advantages of race or class.

If that were the reason, we should also expect white parents to avoid all white schools, because their kids would also not be able to rely on any comparative advantages of race, as everybody would be white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Banneker deserves a top of the line reno. Shame all the money has been spent on Duke Ellington. Great scores.

So when I look at the Banneker page on MyschoolDC, it shows that only 32% percent of students meet expectations in math. How can that be with a test in highschool?

MyschoolDC hasn't been updated with the most recent scores. That was their score in 2015; they showed big gains this year in both ELA and Math. http://results.osse.dc.gov/school/402

Up to 62%, that is indeed an impressive improvement within one year.

[Anonymous]

It kills me when people talk about Bannker and say:

1) SAT scores are lower than MoCo, Walls etc - AAs perform worse on standardized test - try comparing Banneker to average AA SAT scores for better comparison. Also SATs are going away at more and more colleges each year.

2) Bannker is not SES diverse enough - if you sent your kids there it would become more diverse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Differences between Banneker, WIlson, SWW.

Size -- number of students per grade

Facilities -- Banneker has not been renovated; other schools are larger

Extracurriculars/sports -- Wilson stronger than either SWW or Banneker

But I agree that familiarity and racism is a huge factor. There is a strong tradition among AA families to send their children to Banneker and there's a growing Latino presence.

White families haven't jumped in yet but I suspect they may, eventually. Remember that Wash Latin, which is now very popular among white families, graduated few white families who were leery of its high school (it was seem as ok for middle but then they went private/Wilson/SWW).

Good start.

More differences...

-- Location/ commute
-- Alumni network
-- Attrition rate
-- Diversity (not only in terms of race, but also SES and interests/ skills)
-- Level of academic pressure

I honestly think race and privilege are a huge factor. At Banneker, a white kid does not get to benefit in any way from his race. The standards are so high that he can't even depend on the whole "my white kid will do fine anyway" mantra that some people believe. That must be just plain scary to many folks -- not only to be a very small white minority, but also to compete on even footing with black students, without being able to rely on any comparative advantages of race or class.

If that were the reason, we should also expect white parents to avoid all white schools, because their kids would also not be able to rely on any comparative advantages of race, as everybody would be white.

Which is why there's this new trend, all white boys are crowding out blacks at Anacostia High

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It kills me when people talk about Bannker and say:

1) SAT scores are lower than MoCo, Walls etc - AAs perform worse on standardized test - try comparing Banneker to average AA SAT scores for better comparison. Also SATs are going away at more and more colleges each year.

2) Bannker is not SES diverse enough - if you sent your kids there it would become more diverse

Hmm, point 1 and 2 contradict each other.

Also, would spelling the school name correctly kill you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It kills me when people talk about Bannker and say:

1) SAT scores are lower than MoCo, Walls etc - AAs perform worse on standardized test - try comparing Banneker to average AA SAT scores for better comparison. Also SATs are going away at more and more colleges each year.

2) Bannker is not SES diverse enough - if you sent your kids there it would become more diverse

Hmm, point 1 and 2 contradict each other.

Also, would spelling the school name correctly kill you?

How do they contradict each other? Banneker is essentially an all black school. People say they do worse at SATs than other schools but those other schools aren't all black. It would give you a better idea if you compared Banneker AA performance to another school's AA performance.

I obviously spelled it right in first sentence, 2nd one is clearly a typo. You're being an ass for no reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It kills me when people talk about Bannker and say:

1) SAT scores are lower than MoCo, Walls etc - AAs perform worse on standardized test - try comparing Banneker to average AA SAT scores for better comparison. Also SATs are going away at more and more colleges each year.

2) Bannker is not SES diverse enough - if you sent your kids there it would become more diverse

Hmm, point 1 and 2 contradict each other.

Also, would spelling the school name correctly kill you?

How do they contradict each other? Banneker is essentially an all black school. People say they do worse at SATs than other schools but those other schools aren't all black. It would give you a better idea if you compared Banneker AA performance to another school's AA performance.

I obviously spelled it right in first sentence, 2nd one is clearly a typo. You're being an ass for no reason.

Banneker is a successful school. So are a number of other majority AA schools (Shepherd, KIPP, etc). Don't be so desperate for DCUM acceptance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Differences between Banneker, WIlson, SWW.

Size -- number of students per grade

Facilities -- Banneker has not been renovated; other schools are larger

Extracurriculars/sports -- Wilson stronger than either SWW or Banneker

But I agree that familiarity and racism is a huge factor. There is a strong tradition among AA families to send their children to Banneker and there's a growing Latino presence.

White families haven't jumped in yet but I suspect they may, eventually. Remember that Wash Latin, which is now very popular among white families, graduated few white families who were leery of its high school (it was seem as ok for middle but then they went private/Wilson/SWW).

Good start.

More differences...

-- Location/ commute
-- Alumni network
-- Attrition rate
-- Diversity (not only in terms of race, but also SES and interests/ skills)
-- Level of academic pressure

I honestly think race and privilege are a huge factor. At Banneker, a white kid does not get to benefit in any way from his race. The standards are so high that he can't even depend on the whole "my white kid will do fine anyway" mantra that some people believe. That must be just plain scary to many folks -- not only to be a very small white minority, but also to compete on even footing with black students, without being able to rely on any comparative advantages of race or class.

Are you affiliated with Banneker in any way?

If you are, here is a thought. Perhaps it's your own racist and not-very-smart words that make people with other HS options think, "why the heck would i ever go there"

When will you stop with the reverse racism crap? It won't get you far beyond your little alt-right world.

Public Service Announcement: You live in the USA, not in some country called EOTP. In the USA, most people would agree that the comment above is racist, not-very-smart, and perhaps even worryingly paranoid.

I am sorry that you find critical reflection on race to be paranoid and racist. My point is not that white parents are expressly engaged in that line of thinking - of course they aren't. But it's what underlies these kinds of decisions.

+1, I agree with you, pp.

Agree. I can't take seriously folks who say that the current racial makeup of Banneker has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the reluctance of white families to send their kids there. COME ON NOW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Banneker deserves a top of the line reno. Shame all the money has been spent on Duke Ellington. Great scores.

So when I look at the Banneker page on MyschoolDC, it shows that only 32% percent of students meet expectations in math. How can that be with a test in highschool?

MyschoolDC hasn't been updated with the most recent scores. That was their score in 2015; they showed big gains this year in both ELA and Math. http://results.osse.dc.gov/school/402

Also, Banneker is an application only school but it is not a test in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It kills me when people talk about Bannker and say:

1) SAT scores are lower than MoCo, Walls etc - AAs perform worse on standardized test - try comparing Banneker to average AA SAT scores for better comparison. Also SATs are going away at more and more colleges each year.

2) Bannker is not SES diverse enough - if you sent your kids there it would become more diverse

Hmm, point 1 and 2 contradict each other.

Also, would spelling the school name correctly kill you?

How do they contradict each other? Banneker is essentially an all black school. People say they do worse at SATs than other schools but those other schools aren't all black. It would give you a better idea if you compared Banneker AA performance to another school's AA performance.

I obviously spelled it right in first sentence, 2nd one is clearly a typo. You're being an ass for no reason.

Banneker is a successful school. So are a number of other majority AA schools (Shepherd, KIPP, etc). Don't be so desperate for DCUM acceptance.

+1.

And, PP, if you want more diversity in the school (point 2), of course those non-black students will be comparing SATs to MoCo, Walls...why on earth would they "compare Banneker to average AA SAT scores"? (point 1)

[Anonymous]

any school showing progress should be commended, but let's not forget that we have 2 years of data, a relatively small sample size, and a standardized test vendor which can be described charitably as a work in progress.

People are so quick to draw sweeping conclusions with little evidence value.

[Anonymous]

Agree. I can't take seriously folks who say that the current racial makeup of Banneker has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the reluctance of white families to send their kids there. COME ON NOW.

Agreed. I think the fact that Banneker is predominantly AA explains at least a small part of the avoidance for some white families--whether they're aware of this or not--as this research also suggests:

"The study also demonstrated white parents’ taste for what the journalist Nikole Hannah-Jones has termed “carefully curated integration,” the kind that exposes white children to some poor peers of color but not “too many.” At the elementary-school level, white Washington parents prioritized schools where about 60 percent of the student body was white and were slightly more likely to avoid schools with larger percentages of white children. At the middle school level, the researchers found that the “bliss point” for white parents was a student body that was 26 percent white. In a district where 73 percent of students are black, 14 percent are Hispanic, and only 9 percent are white, such preferences contribute to a significant clustering of white children, which results in black and Hispanic students being further segregated. (The researchers were able to isolate race from other factors, like location and test scores, so these racial preferences appear to operate independently of other factors parents look for in a school.)"

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2016/07/when_white_parents_have_a_choice_they_choose_segregated_schools.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Differences between Banneker, WIlson, SWW.

Size -- number of students per grade

Facilities -- Banneker has not been renovated; other schools are larger

Extracurriculars/sports -- Wilson stronger than either SWW or Banneker

But I agree that familiarity and racism is a huge factor. There is a strong tradition among AA families to send their children to Banneker and there's a growing Latino presence.

White families haven't jumped in yet but I suspect they may, eventually. Remember that Wash Latin, which is now very popular among white families, graduated few white families who were leery of its high school (it was seem as ok for middle but then they went private/Wilson/SWW).

Good start.

More differences...

-- Location/ commute
-- Alumni network
-- Attrition rate
-- Diversity (not only in terms of race, but also SES and interests/ skills)
-- Level of academic pressure

I honestly think race and privilege are a huge factor. At Banneker, a white kid does not get to benefit in any way from his race. The standards are so high that he can't even depend on the whole "my white kid will do fine anyway" mantra that some people believe. That must be just plain scary to many folks -- not only to be a very small white minority, but also to compete on even footing with black students, without being able to rely on any comparative advantages of race or class.

Are you affiliated with Banneker in any way?

If you are, here is a thought. Perhaps it's your own racist and not-very-smart words that make people with other HS options think, "why the heck would i ever go there"

When will you stop with the reverse racism crap? It won't get you far beyond your little alt-right world.

Public Service Announcement: You live in the USA, not in some country called EOTP. In the USA, most people would agree that the comment above is racist, not-very-smart, and perhaps even worryingly paranoid.

I am sorry that you find critical reflection on race to be paranoid and racist. My point is not that white parents are expressly engaged in that line of thinking - of course they aren't. But it's what underlies these kinds of decisions.

+1, I agree with you, pp.

Agree. I can't take seriously folks who say that the current racial makeup of Banneker has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the reluctance of white families to send their kids there. COME ON NOW.

I surrender.

On behalf on the white race, of which I am partially a member of, I formally declare, upon thoughtful request and consideration, that "the current racial makeup of Banneker has SOMETHING to do with the reluctance of white families to send their kids there."

Now, anyone has something interesting to say about the PARCC results?