First day drop off -- MD tags

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You already pushed them out of the city, and now they can't even come pack in to go to church? don't pretend it's just about the parking (sorry, Jeff, I know that is off-topic in this thread).

They're welcome to come to church. Just park legally. Like everyone else. Like they do at home.

+1. Well said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A PP disagreed with the fact that these spots are scarce. His reasoning is that a handful of schools have a handful of openings. That doesn't prove his point - given that dozens of schools have wait lists numbered in the hundreds.

Justify your cheating all you want - you're still an asshole.

Who is an asshole? As I've said 2 times, I am a non participant that only posted when I posted link to openings. Also, by my count, there are about 200 Pk3 openings.

Girl, you cannot reason with these people once they hitch up their skirts and start their witch hunts. It has become a yearly ritual for some. Just let it go. BTW, thank you for posting the openings.

[Anonymous]

The vacancies truly ARE helpful. Now, if out-of-D.C. parents want the convenience of dropping their kids off at a DCPS school on their way to work, then they know where to apply. The price of admission is probably only 1/4 of private school (what is it now -- $10,000 per out-of-D.C. child for tuition?). Plus, that $10,000 will go a long way toward helping support the DCPS budget and the kids who depend on it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at people who say "this isn't about race" and then concoct stories about imaginary pg people, who have their jobs because of Marion Berry. And love cheating the taxpayers.

If you were actually talking about real residency cheating, you might have a point. But having two parents in two different states is not, in fact, cheating. It's playing the lottery, same as you do.

Only, perhaps, not being such a sore... winner? As was pointed out, if you are already AT a school and still obsessive enough to start writing down license plate numbers, there's some issues.

Not really. For some (law-abiding) citizens, law-breakers should be reported. Because, laws. For some other people...well, they use some kind of illogical, emotion-based reasoning to justify the illegality. For a lot of posters I read on this board, it's out of an unfounded motivation to protect non-DC-resident black people. These people/persons seem unswayed by the fact-based logic that giving a slot to a non-DC resident deprives another DC resident of that same slot. These people/persons have "issues," imo.

If the kid lives in Maryland, but goes to school in D.C., the child should not be here. Full stop.

Yes, this is why I keep participating in these residency cheating threads, because of these clueless posters who think that residency cheating is some kind of robin hood activity that helps poor blacks, when in reality it is mostly about middle class people (who may happen to be black) cheating poor blacks.

Remember the cop family that was busted? It sounded like they have a 6 figure HHI, and they were using a rental property. Hardly poor! Use of a rental property is one of the easiest ways to cheat, or a relative's address. The cheaters are not poor. The cheated are, by and large, poor.

Some posters think this is a poor black vs rich white thing, so we get the out of control race-baiting posts like you see in this thread. But we're not talking about Janney here. You'd have to be so brazen to cheat at Janney coming from MD, with its 90-plus percent IB stat. You'd be pretty obvious, having to refuse playdates and avoid all conversation. The more popular cheating targets are, for example, Hill schools, with more diverse student populations, in terms of SES, race, and residency. Easier to get away with it. And those Hill schools with one exception could not be described as wealthy and white.

I don't think that residency cheating is the most importan issue on DC right now, far from it, but people need to stop making misguided social justice themed arguments in favor of it. It hurts, and does not help, poor people. This is one reason why the DC govt, a very liberal one in almost all respects, safe haven for undocumented immigrants, proposal to extend voting to non citizens, big affordable housing push, and so on, is going after residency cheats.

Who is arguing in favor of residency cheating?

Pointing out that there are many people with legitimate reasons for driving kids to DC schools with MD tags, and that many of those legitimate reasons (homelessness, kinship care, foster care, separated or divorced parents, extended family as childcare providers, vehicles shared among extended family) disproportionately impact struggling families and particularly vulnerable kids is not the same as arguing in favor of cheating. It's arguing in favor of finding some method of enforcement that does not involve harassing people without real evidence.

Who is arguing in favor, you ask? This is from the second page of the thread, and it's just the first example I came across. There are plenty others in this thread and other threads who either advocate in favor (like 2R mom here) or else defend cheaters without quite advocating for it, accusing detractors of being racist/classist:

"I have an incoming pk3 at 2R I have md tags as does grandma ... report me and you will be wasting time as other parent lives and owns property in dc ...grandma also owns property in dc and md and a business in dc... so many variables here and the school has all residency documentation they need. Don't take or personal just because our norm differs from yours. BTW as a single mom I'm looking for a place near 2R to rent and we'll let's just say I'm saving fir the 2500 plus a month rent and deposit with no go assistance."

Based on this and subsequent posts, seems that mom has custody and lives in MD. Seems that her family is wealthier than the median, free lunch-qualifying DCPS family from whom she is taking the spot. When I read this, my heart goes out to the low-income family losing the chance at a quality Head Start program at 2R. Apparently when others read this, their heart goes out to the 2R mom, whether because she is single, or a native washingtonian, I have no idea.

As for investigations causing hassles, I am not aware of a widespread phenomenon of people reporting every MD plate they see. Are you? In real life, people are more likely to report when they have an actual suspicion, based on a conversation with the parent or kid, or some other facts in addition to the license plate.

Where does that PP say she has sole custody?

Not the person you are responding to, but sole custody doesn't matter. The residence of the child matters.

A child can have two residences if the parents have joint custody. I know some douche will come on and talk about primary custody, but again, that is not relevant. A child can spend his time between two households equally, as I have known several people who have managed to make their divorces and custody arrangements amicable for the child. For tax purposes, the parents alternate the exemption years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The vacancies truly ARE helpful. Now, if out-of-D.C. parents want the convenience of dropping their kids off at a DCPS school on their way to work, then they know where to apply. The price of admission is probably only 1/4 of private school (what is it now -- $10,000 per out-of-D.C. child for tuition?). Plus, that $10,000 will go a long way toward helping support the DCPS budget and the kids who depend on it.

Parochial schools for an ES are less or equal to that $10,000 fee.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at people who say "this isn't about race" and then concoct stories about imaginary pg people, who have their jobs because of Marion Berry. And love cheating the taxpayers.

If you were actually talking about real residency cheating, you might have a point. But having two parents in two different states is not, in fact, cheating. It's playing the lottery, same as you do.

Only, perhaps, not being such a sore... winner? As was pointed out, if you are already AT a school and still obsessive enough to start writing down license plate numbers, there's some issues.

Not really. For some (law-abiding) citizens, law-breakers should be reported. Because, laws. For some other people...well, they use some kind of illogical, emotion-based reasoning to justify the illegality. For a lot of posters I read on this board, it's out of an unfounded motivation to protect non-DC-resident black people. These people/persons seem unswayed by the fact-based logic that giving a slot to a non-DC resident deprives another DC resident of that same slot. These people/persons have "issues," imo.

If the kid lives in Maryland, but goes to school in D.C., the child should not be here. Full stop.

Yes, this is why I keep participating in these residency cheating threads, because of these clueless posters who think that residency cheating is some kind of robin hood activity that helps poor blacks, when in reality it is mostly about middle class people (who may happen to be black) cheating poor blacks.

Remember the cop family that was busted? It sounded like they have a 6 figure HHI, and they were using a rental property. Hardly poor! Use of a rental property is one of the easiest ways to cheat, or a relative's address. The cheaters are not poor. The cheated are, by and large, poor.

Some posters think this is a poor black vs rich white thing, so we get the out of control race-baiting posts like you see in this thread. But we're not talking about Janney here. You'd have to be so brazen to cheat at Janney coming from MD, with its 90-plus percent IB stat. You'd be pretty obvious, having to refuse playdates and avoid all conversation. The more popular cheating targets are, for example, Hill schools, with more diverse student populations, in terms of SES, race, and residency. Easier to get away with it. And those Hill schools with one exception could not be described as wealthy and white.

I don't think that residency cheating is the most importan issue on DC right now, far from it, but people need to stop making misguided social justice themed arguments in favor of it. It hurts, and does not help, poor people. This is one reason why the DC govt, a very liberal one in almost all respects, safe haven for undocumented immigrants, proposal to extend voting to non citizens, big affordable housing push, and so on, is going after residency cheats.

Who is arguing in favor of residency cheating?

Pointing out that there are many people with legitimate reasons for driving kids to DC schools with MD tags, and that many of those legitimate reasons (homelessness, kinship care, foster care, separated or divorced parents, extended family as childcare providers, vehicles shared among extended family) disproportionately impact struggling families and particularly vulnerable kids is not the same as arguing in favor of cheating. It's arguing in favor of finding some method of enforcement that does not involve harassing people without real evidence.

Who is arguing in favor, you ask? This is from the second page of the thread, and it's just the first example I came across. There are plenty others in this thread and other threads who either advocate in favor (like 2R mom here) or else defend cheaters without quite advocating for it, accusing detractors of being racist/classist:

"I have an incoming pk3 at 2R I have md tags as does grandma ... report me and you will be wasting time as other parent lives and owns property in dc ...grandma also owns property in dc and md and a business in dc... so many variables here and the school has all residency documentation they need. Don't take or personal just because our norm differs from yours. BTW as a single mom I'm looking for a place near 2R to rent and we'll let's just say I'm saving fir the 2500 plus a month rent and deposit with no go assistance."

Based on this and subsequent posts, seems that mom has custody and lives in MD. Seems that her family is wealthier than the median, free lunch-qualifying DCPS family from whom she is taking the spot. When I read this, my heart goes out to the low-income family losing the chance at a quality Head Start program at 2R. Apparently when others read this, their heart goes out to the 2R mom, whether because she is single, or a native washingtonian, I have no idea.

As for investigations causing hassles, I am not aware of a widespread phenomenon of people reporting every MD plate they see. Are you? In real life, people are more likely to report when they have an actual suspicion, based on a conversation with the parent or kid, or some other facts in addition to the license plate.

Where does that PP say she has sole custody?

Not the person you are responding to, but sole custody doesn't matter. The residence of the child matters.

A child can have two residences if the parents have joint custody. I know some douche will come on and talk about primary custody, but again, that is not relevant. A child can spend his time between two households equally, as I have known several people who have managed to make their divorces and custody arrangements amicable for the child. For tax purposes, the parents alternate the exemption years.

You can call douche all you want - but in the eyes of the law and the IRS, primary residency matters.

But some of the residency cheats on this board think it's okay to prove residency using rental property or use grandparent's address, etc. THAT is not okay.

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sole custody doesn't matter. The residence of the child matters.

No, it's not the residence of the child that matters. It's the residence of the parent who enrolls the child that matters. And if the person who enrolls the child is not a parent, then they have to provide proof of custody or proof that the child is a ward of DC. If they have none of these documents, they must consent to a home visit.

Yes, there are cheaters of every stripe and hue when it comes to tax-funded services, (and they are more often white people but, hey, it's not about race) but in most cases, people are abiding by the rules. Not only are their domestic circumstances none of your f*cking business, there are absolutly NO poor children being denied anything - at least, not to the tune of all the tiny violins played here. There's a place for every DC child in DC public schools. Hell, the schools in the poorest areas of the city are underenrolled.

Stop this bullshit about poor kids being denied. It's such a lame argument for your manic busybodyness. Crusade against tax cheaters - tons of them in the wealthy enclaves of DC, with others making tons of money to help them.

Hallelujah! And yes I have lived in Ward 5 for 20 years and my husband still drives around with his MD license plates. He just can't park the car in front of the house. For that reason, God made garage pads.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to laugh at people who say "this isn't about race" and then concoct stories about imaginary pg people, who have their jobs because of Marion Berry. And love cheating the taxpayers.

If you were actually talking about real residency cheating, you might have a point. But having two parents in two different states is not, in fact, cheating. It's playing the lottery, same as you do.

Only, perhaps, not being such a sore... winner? As was pointed out, if you are already AT a school and still obsessive enough to start writing down license plate numbers, there's some issues.

Not really. For some (law-abiding) citizens, law-breakers should be reported. Because, laws. For some other people...well, they use some kind of illogical, emotion-based reasoning to justify the illegality. For a lot of posters I read on this board, it's out of an unfounded motivation to protect non-DC-resident black people. These people/persons seem unswayed by the fact-based logic that giving a slot to a non-DC resident deprives another DC resident of that same slot. These people/persons have "issues," imo.

If the kid lives in Maryland, but goes to school in D.C., the child should not be here. Full stop.

Yes, this is why I keep participating in these residency cheating threads, because of these clueless posters who think that residency cheating is some kind of robin hood activity that helps poor blacks, when in reality it is mostly about middle class people (who may happen to be black) cheating poor blacks.

Remember the cop family that was busted? It sounded like they have a 6 figure HHI, and they were using a rental property. Hardly poor! Use of a rental property is one of the easiest ways to cheat, or a relative's address. The cheaters are not poor. The cheated are, by and large, poor.

Some posters think this is a poor black vs rich white thing, so we get the out of control race-baiting posts like you see in this thread. But we're not talking about Janney here. You'd have to be so brazen to cheat at Janney coming from MD, with its 90-plus percent IB stat. You'd be pretty obvious, having to refuse playdates and avoid all conversation. The more popular cheating targets are, for example, Hill schools, with more diverse student populations, in terms of SES, race, and residency. Easier to get away with it. And those Hill schools with one exception could not be described as wealthy and white.

I don't think that residency cheating is the most importan issue on DC right now, far from it, but people need to stop making misguided social justice themed arguments in favor of it. It hurts, and does not help, poor people. This is one reason why the DC govt, a very liberal one in almost all respects, safe haven for undocumented immigrants, proposal to extend voting to non citizens, big affordable housing push, and so on, is going after residency cheats.

Who is arguing in favor of residency cheating?

Pointing out that there are many people with legitimate reasons for driving kids to DC schools with MD tags, and that many of those legitimate reasons (homelessness, kinship care, foster care, separated or divorced parents, extended family as childcare providers, vehicles shared among extended family) disproportionately impact struggling families and particularly vulnerable kids is not the same as arguing in favor of cheating. It's arguing in favor of finding some method of enforcement that does not involve harassing people without real evidence.

Who is arguing in favor, you ask? This is from the second page of the thread, and it's just the first example I came across. There are plenty others in this thread and other threads who either advocate in favor (like 2R mom here) or else defend cheaters without quite advocating for it, accusing detractors of being racist/classist:

"I have an incoming pk3 at 2R I have md tags as does grandma ... report me and you will be wasting time as other parent lives and owns property in dc ...grandma also owns property in dc and md and a business in dc... so many variables here and the school has all residency documentation they need. Don't take or personal just because our norm differs from yours. BTW as a single mom I'm looking for a place near 2R to rent and we'll let's just say I'm saving fir the 2500 plus a month rent and deposit with no go assistance."

Based on this and subsequent posts, seems that mom has custody and lives in MD. Seems that her family is wealthier than the median, free lunch-qualifying DCPS family from whom she is taking the spot. When I read this, my heart goes out to the low-income family losing the chance at a quality Head Start program at 2R. Apparently when others read this, their heart goes out to the 2R mom, whether because she is single, or a native washingtonian, I have no idea.

As for investigations causing hassles, I am not aware of a widespread phenomenon of people reporting every MD plate they see. Are you? In real life, people are more likely to report when they have an actual suspicion, based on a conversation with the parent or kid, or some other facts in addition to the license plate.

Where does that PP say she has sole custody?

Not the person you are responding to, but sole custody doesn't matter. The residence of the child matters.

A child can have two residences if the parents have joint custody. I know some douche will come on and talk about primary custody, but again, that is not relevant. A child can spend his time between two households equally, as I have known several people who have managed to make their divorces and custody arrangements amicable for the child. For tax purposes, the parents alternate the exemption years.

You can call douche all you want - but in the eyes of the law and the IRS, primary residency matters.

But some of the residency cheats on this board think it's okay to prove residency using rental property or use grandparent's address, etc. THAT is not okay.

IRS? What you talking about Willis?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If working in the world for a long time has taught me anything is that there are endless scenarios that prove that the 'norm' is actually the exception. As has been stated above, there are numerous reasons why a car might have MD plates that have nothing to do without breaking the law. People who say "the kid lives in Maryland and should go to school in Maryland" clearly fail to understand the myriad reasons why it's just not that simple. These would include the obvious and legitimate (Foster care, shared parenting where the kid lives part-time both places and one parent pays taxes in DC, nanny from MD, kid returning from night away at Grandma's, mom / dad borrows a car to take their kids to work), parent is paying for their child to go to a DC charter (hey, it happens), etc. There may be less obvious (and slightly more shady) reasons too, that in themselves don't constitute residency fraud: MD tags haven't changed to DC yet, kid lives with mom during the week and dad on the weekend in DC, etc.

Bottom line is, there are enough legitimate reasons that you should be cautious before squawking "residency fraud." Even if there's only one of each kind of scenario per grade level, that is a lot of exceptions within one school and you should be careful. I personally think that race is a factor for most folks on this list. Black + MD tags = residency fraud, White + MD tags = nanny or some other perfectly legit reason.

Now, if the parent never participates in playdates and you know for a fact that the kid won't say where they live, then maybe you have more of a basis. But clearly these are different looking folks from you and you therefore don't know or care enough about them to get to know them face to face before jumping to conclusions.

So,

This poster is really amusing me with its inability to project likely outcomes based on facts. Like, is there any truly likely reason for a child resident of Montgomery County or Fairfax to try to skirt the law in order to attend DCPS? No? Right, not very likely. How about schools in PG county, are they any good? OK. I think we can fairly say that most (by far) residency cheaters are going to come from the PG. This is not "jumping to conclusions," its just...reality.

Um, my kid's charter, YY, busted a MoCo resident a couple years back. Others have reported the same from different schools. You should not speak with such a definitive tone when you know not what you speak. Duke Ellington have kids enrolled from MoCo and FFX Cty. FFX Cty does not offer free PS3-K, and many FFX people work in downtown DC in close proximity to free PS3-K, so why would you believe that not one person from FFX would go after the freebie. Are you naïve or just well you know, racists.

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. Dear, DC white students (I'd add high SES black but there is no national measure for that) outperformed EVERY single state in the nation.

According to NAEP data, DC white students scored higher than white students in other major URBAN cities. We all know that most whites in DC are mid to high SES. DC does not have a large white low SES population. Would the NAEP results demonstrate higher test performance of DC white students if you compared them only to white students of a similar SES in other urban areas?

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My take on this thread is that anyone who would dare be concerned about residency cheats is clearly a racist. We all must bow to the idea of reverse-privilege-privilege, apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. It is hard to comprehend. Last year we were lucky enough to get a spot after paying 2k plus a month for daycare. You know what it never even occurred to me to do? Look at license plates.

It's always the people who have the most who whine the most about other people possibly having something. Does that mean I condone cheating? Of course not. Does that mean I am a residence cheater? Again... no. But I have several friends who sometimes drive cars with MD plates who are DC residents. I wouldn't share why, although they have legit reasons, because you are all nuts. Most of it involves shared custody and borrowing an extended family member's car.

And the crazy thing is, you're all outraged at this "rampant cheating" but not at all the waste and graft in the dps system. Your charter school getting a climbing wall and an underground parking lot? Yeah, that's a great use of funds. The waste of 300 parents driving across the city to school? Oh, that's just dc. Your school's new construction immediately falling apart? Spend more money on it. PARCC results taking almost a year to come out? In other words, making them useless as a diagnostic tool to assess the kids taking them? Oh, but those lazy teachers. You probably assume they are pg residents.

Which charter school has a climbing wall and underground parking?

Ditto! I'd love my kid to go to a charter school with a climbing wall.

Considering DCPS has brand new bikes for every 2nd grader - I'm thinking a climbing wall is small potatoes.

Not exactly they bought 600 new bikes and I guess we'll be sharing them on a schedule? Of course I don't think they spend any money on potential breakup keeps so if your kids get in the bikes at the end of the year they're probably going to be screwed

[Anonymous]

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sole custody doesn't matter. The residence of the child matters.

No, it's not the residence of the child that matters. It's the residence of the parent who enrolls the child that matters. And if the person who enrolls the child is not a parent, then they have to provide proof of custody or proof that the child is a ward of DC. If they have none of these documents, they must consent to a home visit.

Yes, there are cheaters of every stripe and hue when it comes to tax-funded services, (and they are more often white people but, hey, it's not about race) but in most cases, people are abiding by the rules. Not only are their domestic circumstances none of your f*cking business, there are absolutly NO poor children being denied anything - at least, not to the tune of all the tiny violins played here. There's a place for every DC child in DC public schools. Hell, the schools in the poorest areas of the city are underenrolled.

Stop this bullshit about poor kids being denied. It's such a lame argument for your manic busybodyness. Crusade against tax cheaters - tons of them in the wealthy enclaves of DC, with others making tons of money to help them.

Hallelujah! And yes I have lived in Ward 5 for 20 years and my husband still drives around with his MD license plates. He just can't park the car in front of the house. For that reason, God made garage pads.

your husband is breaking the law.

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sole custody doesn't matter. The residence of the child matters.

No, it's not the residence of the child that matters. It's the residence of the parent who enrolls the child that matters. And if the person who enrolls the child is not a parent, then they have to provide proof of custody or proof that the child is a ward of DC. If they have none of these documents, they must consent to a home visit.

Yes, there are cheaters of every stripe and hue when it comes to tax-funded services, (and they are more often white people but, hey, it's not about race) but in most cases, people are abiding by the rules. Not only are their domestic circumstances none of your f*cking business, there are absolutly NO poor children being denied anything - at least, not to the tune of all the tiny violins played here. There's a place for every DC child in DC public schools. Hell, the schools in the poorest areas of the city are underenrolled.

Stop this bullshit about poor kids being denied. It's such a lame argument for your manic busybodyness. Crusade against tax cheaters - tons of them in the wealthy enclaves of DC, with others making tons of money to help them.

Hallelujah! And yes I have lived in Ward 5 for 20 years and my husband still drives around with his MD license plates. He just can't park the car in front of the house. For that reason, God made garage pads.

your husband is breaking the law.

He's skipping on his registration and auto taxes. Why do you think there are so many potholes and cracked sidewalks all over this town? Cheats. If I lived next to him, I'd call the meter folks to ticket his butt.

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The link to the pk3 openings justifies nothing. The fact that there are plenty of pk3 spots in Trinidad and Anacostia doesn't make it ok for MD residents to steal spots at 2 Rivers and JO Wilson.