First day drop off -- MD tags

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Anonymous wrote:The custodial parent in a divorce must have an in bound residence to register a student. At Wilson they are grilling parents--You have to show your divorce decree as proof. Additionally, the parent who originally enrolled the child in school must be PRESENT at the time you are registering your kid--even if circumstances have changed. In this way they avoid getting in the middle of a battle between parents.

They mean business--I saw them doing this. There are cameras everywhere to record plates and interactions with parents. I've never seen them be so strict.

Thanks for clarifying, b/c I was going to ask. No dog in this hunt for me, but my brother had to take legal primary custody of my niece for her to be inbound for her school in another state. He and mom share custody, but now with him 60% so that DN could attend the school for which he is inbounds. Does DCPS require primary custody? Bro and Ex had to arrange respective nights at each home in order to meet the requirement. Still, the Ex is doing some drop offs during the school week, even though she is out of bounds. Can't tell in the other state because they just cross school district lines, not state lines.

Frankly, I have never understood why anyone would want to have kids in DCPS, but that's me.

I was waiting for this because of course there's always a VA or MoCo person stalking DC school threads. Oh wait, you were intrigued about a DC school thread because it was in hottest topics. Dear, DC white students (I'd add high SES black but there is no national measure for that) outperformed EVERY single state in the nation. Also, DC has free PK3 and PK4. So yes, there are MANY reasons why people cheat to get their kids into DC schools. But go ahead and insist on thinking all DC schools are like the poorest and most dilapidated like you see on Oprah. Kind of ignorant not to know the difference about a school system that neighbors you.

And I was waiting for you to post, because, God forbid, someone ask what is so f'ing hot shit about DC public schools that someone is willing to commit a crime to have their child attend one. And yup, it's up on recent topics, I read these threads every year and wonder in awe, because it must be one long assed car ride to get from where there are crappy MD schools to get to where there are good DC schools.

All I want is for someone to explain to me why the DC schools are so good that someone is willing to cheat to put their kids there, because they are free? PGCPS has preK in Title 1 Schools. Are DCPS's so much better? Or is just that you are so uptight that someone might have a MD plate and drop off a kid at a DC school?

Are you denying it happens or saying you personally wouldn't do it?

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

You already pushed them out of the city, and now they can't even come pack in to go to church? don't pretend it's just about the parking (sorry, Jeff, I know that is off-topic in this thread).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. It is hard to comprehend. Last year we were lucky enough to get a spot after paying 2k plus a month for daycare. You know what it never even occurred to me to do? Look at license plates.

It's always the people who have the most who whine the most about other people possibly having something. Does that mean I condone cheating? Of course not. Does that mean I am a residence cheater? Again... no. But I have several friends who sometimes drive cars with MD plates who are DC residents. I wouldn't share why, although they have legit reasons, because you are all nuts. Most of it involves shared custody and borrowing an extended family member's car.

And the crazy thing is, you're all outraged at this "rampant cheating" but not at all the waste and graft in the dps system. Your charter school getting a climbing wall and an underground parking lot? Yeah, that's a great use of funds. The waste of 300 parents driving across the city to school? Oh, that's just dc. Your school's new construction immediately falling apart? Spend more money on it. PARCC results taking almost a year to come out? In other words, making them useless as a diagnostic tool to assess the kids taking them? Oh, but those lazy teachers. You probably assume they are pg residents.

Which charter school has a climbing wall and underground parking?

Ditto! I'd love my kid to go to a charter school with a climbing wall.

Considering DCPS has brand new bikes for every 2nd grader - I'm thinking a climbing wall is small potatoes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just keep asking myself, why are DC residents so paranoid and obsessed with thinking someone is cheating them? Is it the lead in the water? Should we get a zero osmosis filter?

Clearly you don't live in DC, so you should just go away..

But since you ask - Let me educate you. Spots for PK3 and PK4 are scarce; in fact, people have to enter a lottery to get their child in school. Some schools have hundreds of people on the wait list. When you take your child to school, and you see that half the tags are non-DC, and you know that many of your own neighbors kids couldn't get, wouldn't you be a little pissed?

Is this really so hard to comprehend?

+1 to the last PP.

Actually, they are not scarce. Plenty of spots are open.

Oh really? Tell us where.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The custodial parent in a divorce must have an in bound residence to register a student. At Wilson they are grilling parents--You have to show your divorce decree as proof. Additionally, the parent who originally enrolled the child in school must be PRESENT at the time you are registering your kid--even if circumstances have changed. In this way they avoid getting in the middle of a battle between parents.

They mean business--I saw them doing this. There are cameras everywhere to record plates and interactions with parents. I've never seen them be so strict.

Thanks for clarifying, b/c I was going to ask. No dog in this hunt for me, but my brother had to take legal primary custody of my niece for her to be inbound for her school in another state. He and mom share custody, but now with him 60% so that DN could attend the school for which he is inbounds. Does DCPS require primary custody? Bro and Ex had to arrange respective nights at each home in order to meet the requirement. Still, the Ex is doing some drop offs during the school week, even though she is out of bounds. Can't tell in the other state because they just cross school district lines, not state lines.

Frankly, I have never understood why anyone would want to have kids in DCPS, but that's me.

I was waiting for this because of course there's always a VA or MoCo person stalking DC school threads. Oh wait, you were intrigued about a DC school thread because it was in hottest topics. Dear, DC white students (I'd add high SES black but there is no national measure for that) outperformed EVERY single state in the nation. Also, DC has free PK3 and PK4. So yes, there are MANY reasons why people cheat to get their kids into DC schools. But go ahead and insist on thinking all DC schools are like the poorest and most dilapidated like you see on Oprah. Kind of ignorant not to know the difference about a school system that neighbors you.

And I was waiting for you to post, because, God forbid, someone ask what is so f'ing hot shit about DC public schools that someone is willing to commit a crime to have their child attend one. And yup, it's up on recent topics, I read these threads every year and wonder in awe, because it must be one long assed car ride to get from where there are crappy MD schools to get to where there are good DC schools.

All I want is for someone to explain to me why the DC schools are so good that someone is willing to cheat to put their kids there, because they are free? PGCPS has preK in Title 1 Schools. Are DCPS's so much better? Or is just that you are so uptight that someone might have a MD plate and drop off a kid at a DC school?

Are you denying it happens or saying you personally wouldn't do it?

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

You already pushed them out of the city, and now they can't even come pack in to go to church? don't pretend it's just about the parking (sorry, Jeff, I know that is off-topic in this thread).

Oh yeah. We handcuffed them and drove them away from their properties... Except no one did.. they sold their properties at a profit and decided to move away. Or they decided they wanted cheaper rents, leafier neighborhoods, bigger apartments, etc and they decided to move. Nice race baiting, but no dice.

They're welcome to go to church - why they should be allowed to disregard parking laws is beyond my comprehension.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. It is hard to comprehend. Last year we were lucky enough to get a spot after paying 2k plus a month for daycare. You know what it never even occurred to me to do? Look at license plates.

It's always the people who have the most who whine the most about other people possibly having something. Does that mean I condone cheating? Of course not. Does that mean I am a residence cheater? Again... no. But I have several friends who sometimes drive cars with MD plates who are DC residents. I wouldn't share why, although they have legit reasons, because you are all nuts. Most of it involves shared custody and borrowing an extended family member's car.

And the crazy thing is, you're all outraged at this "rampant cheating" but not at all the waste and graft in the dps system. Your charter school getting a climbing wall and an underground parking lot? Yeah, that's a great use of funds. The waste of 300 parents driving across the city to school? Oh, that's just dc. Your school's new construction immediately falling apart? Spend more money on it. PARCC results taking almost a year to come out? In other words, making them useless as a diagnostic tool to assess the kids taking them? Oh, but those lazy teachers. You probably assume they are pg residents.

This is all beside the point. Is DCPS an efficient organization? No! The issue is whether there are address cheaters illegally enrolling their kids in DC schools -- especially PS3 and PK4 -- using grandma's (or some bogus) address when they don't actually live in DC. Nobody is denying there are a few legit reasons why a MD tag might be regularly dropping off kids at a DCPS, but the sheer number of MD tags sometimes defies what one could reasonably believe. That its happening is undeniable -- 2 cops that live in MD are currently being sued by DCPS and don't insult us all by saying they are the only ones doing it. This all comes at the expense of DC taxpayers, who pay a ton of property taxes to live in smaller houses near the central business district, have no Congressional voting representation, and now have MD kids taking slots meant for DC kids. It's happening, maybe just not at the rate some might think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The custodial parent in a divorce must have an in bound residence to register a student. At Wilson they are grilling parents--You have to show your divorce decree as proof. Additionally, the parent who originally enrolled the child in school must be PRESENT at the time you are registering your kid--even if circumstances have changed. In this way they avoid getting in the middle of a battle between parents.

They mean business--I saw them doing this. There are cameras everywhere to record plates and interactions with parents. I've never seen them be so strict.

Thanks for clarifying, b/c I was going to ask. No dog in this hunt for me, but my brother had to take legal primary custody of my niece for her to be inbound for her school in another state. He and mom share custody, but now with him 60% so that DN could attend the school for which he is inbounds. Does DCPS require primary custody? Bro and Ex had to arrange respective nights at each home in order to meet the requirement. Still, the Ex is doing some drop offs during the school week, even though she is out of bounds. Can't tell in the other state because they just cross school district lines, not state lines.

Frankly, I have never understood why anyone would want to have kids in DCPS, but that's me.

I was waiting for this because of course there's always a VA or MoCo person stalking DC school threads. Oh wait, you were intrigued about a DC school thread because it was in hottest topics. Dear, DC white students (I'd add high SES black but there is no national measure for that) outperformed EVERY single state in the nation. Also, DC has free PK3 and PK4. So yes, there are MANY reasons why people cheat to get their kids into DC schools. But go ahead and insist on thinking all DC schools are like the poorest and most dilapidated like you see on Oprah. Kind of ignorant not to know the difference about a school system that neighbors you.

And I was waiting for you to post, because, God forbid, someone ask what is so f'ing hot shit about DC public schools that someone is willing to commit a crime to have their child attend one. And yup, it's up on recent topics, I read these threads every year and wonder in awe, because it must be one long assed car ride to get from where there are crappy MD schools to get to where there are good DC schools.

All I want is for someone to explain to me why the DC schools are so good that someone is willing to cheat to put their kids there, because they are free? PGCPS has preK in Title 1 Schools. Are DCPS's so much better? Or is just that you are so uptight that someone might have a MD plate and drop off a kid at a DC school?

Are you denying it happens or saying you personally wouldn't do it?

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

You already pushed them out of the city, and now they can't even come pack in to go to church? don't pretend it's just about the parking (sorry, Jeff, I know that is off-topic in this thread).

Oh yeah. We handcuffed them and drove them away from their properties... Except no one did.. they sold their properties at a profit and decided to move away. Or they decided they wanted cheaper rents, leafier neighborhoods, bigger apartments, etc and they decided to move. Nice race baiting, but no dice.

They're welcome to go to church - why they should be allowed to disregard parking laws is beyond my comprehension.

+1
Akin to receiving accusations of racism if you protest at someone cutting in line in front of you. It boggles.

[Anonymous]

Y'all who are new to DC just don't understand the DC Way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just keep asking myself, why are DC residents so paranoid and obsessed with thinking someone is cheating them? Is it the lead in the water? Should we get a zero osmosis filter?

Clearly you don't live in DC, so you should just go away..

But since you ask - Let me educate you. Spots for PK3 and PK4 are scarce; in fact, people have to enter a lottery to get their child in school. Some schools have hundreds of people on the wait list. When you take your child to school, and you see that half the tags are non-DC, and you know that many of your own neighbors kids couldn't get, wouldn't you be a little pissed?

Is this really so hard to comprehend?

+1 to the last PP.

Actually, they are not scarce. Plenty of spots are open.

Oh really? Tell us where.

Not PP you quoted but there are plenty of PK3 spots open:

http://www.myschooldc.org/find-schools/available-spaces/#by-grade

[Anonymous]

And, if past experience is any guide, you could get on the waitlist now for any of the following schools and be in within 6 weeks, particularly on or after count day, when the most strategic charters quickly fill up their last remaining slots so they can report high numbers on count day. All have perfectly good early childhood programs:

Tubman
Cooke
Marie Reed
Francis-Stevens
Bridges
Appletree Columbia Heights
Bancroft (older grades)

My are at one of these schools, and one year 5 slots opened up on count day because a nearby charter called a couple of families off their waitlist. The kids completed their day at my school but the charter got credit for the kids in their counts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just keep asking myself, why are DC residents so paranoid and obsessed with thinking someone is cheating them? Is it the lead in the water? Should we get a zero osmosis filter?

Clearly you don't live in DC, so you should just go away..

But since you ask - Let me educate you. Spots for PK3 and PK4 are scarce; in fact, people have to enter a lottery to get their child in school. Some schools have hundreds of people on the wait list. When you take your child to school, and you see that half the tags are non-DC, and you know that many of your own neighbors kids couldn't get, wouldn't you be a little pissed?

Is this really so hard to comprehend?

+1 to the last PP.

Actually, they are not scarce. Plenty of spots are open.

You must not have looked at the list as 99% of the schools list 0 openings. And sorry, the fact that there's a school with 3 spots 10 miles away on the opposite quadrant doesn't give cheaters a right to send their kids to school in DC.
Oh really? Tell us where.

Not PP you quoted but there are plenty of PK3 spots open:

http://www.myschooldc.org/find-schools/available-spaces/#by-grade

[Anonymous]

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You already pushed them out of the city, and now they can't even come pack in to go to church? don't pretend it's just about the parking (sorry, Jeff, I know that is off-topic in this thread).

They're welcome to come to church. Just park legally. Like everyone else. Like they do at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just keep asking myself, why are DC residents so paranoid and obsessed with thinking someone is cheating them? Is it the lead in the water? Should we get a zero osmosis filter?

Clearly you don't live in DC, so you should just go away..

But since you ask - Let me educate you. Spots for PK3 and PK4 are scarce; in fact, people have to enter a lottery to get their child in school. Some schools have hundreds of people on the wait list. When you take your child to school, and you see that half the tags are non-DC, and you know that many of your own neighbors kids couldn't get, wouldn't you be a little pissed?

Is this really so hard to comprehend?

+1 to the last PP.

Actually, they are not scarce. Plenty of spots are open.

You must not have looked at the list as 99% of the schools list 0 openings. And sorry, the fact that there's a school with 3 spots 10 miles away on the opposite quadrant doesn't give cheaters a right to send their kids to school in DC.
Oh really? Tell us where.

Not PP you quoted but there are plenty of PK3 spots open:

http://www.myschooldc.org/find-schools/available-spaces/#by-grade

Nobody said every school has openings, people just said there are openings and a PP asked where. Actually there is a spot in about every quadrant of the city. Also the city isn't even 10 miles wide. I loathe residency cheaters and will report someone in a heartbeat. I was just a NP responding when someone asked where the openings were. Also, Bethune recently announced more openings that doesn't reflect on the lost.

[Anonymous]

A PP disagreed with the fact that these spots are scarce. His reasoning is that a handful of schools have a handful of openings. That doesn't prove his point - given that dozens of schools have wait lists numbered in the hundreds.

Justify your cheating all you want - you're still an asshole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A PP disagreed with the fact that these spots are scarce. His reasoning is that a handful of schools have a handful of openings. That doesn't prove his point - given that dozens of schools have wait lists numbered in the hundreds.

Justify your cheating all you want - you're still an asshole.

Who is an asshole? As I've said 2 times, I am a non participant that only posted when I posted link to openings. Also, by my count, there are about 200 Pk3 openings.

[Anonymous]

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You already pushed them out of the city, and now they can't even come pack in to go to church? don't pretend it's just about the parking (sorry, Jeff, I know that is off-topic in this thread).

They're welcome to come to church. Just park legally. Like everyone else. Like they do at home.

Forgiveness of sins shouldn't equate to suspension of parking tickets.