What SHOULD Dems do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

[Anonymous]

Dems should support illegals by taking them in, welcoming to their households and families and listen to their strife and struggles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny to me how Dems just assume they get a free reset.

“We lost the working class. That was an oversight on our part. We should totally do some messaging for the working class next time.”

I mean, yeah, I guess you should. But it’s a little late, now that you managed to LOSE THE WORKING CLASS!

Lol. Dems are funny.

Yes, the working classes do so much better in red states where they’re sicker, poorer, less well educated, and constantly lied to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

True. I am an Asian American voter and have never voted for any Republicans since my first vote as a college student for Carter in 1980 but switched to being an independent and have voted only for Republicans since 2016 and will never vote for any Democrats due to discrimination promoted by Dems with programs such as DEI and affirmative action.

I have noticed many other Asian families shocked by government (our hard earned money) paying for sex change operations for convicted criminals and illegal aliens and, allowiowing sex change operations for minors without the consent or even knowledge of parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

True. I am an Asian American voter and have never voted for any Republicans since my first vote as a college student for Carter in 1980 but switched to being an independent and have voted only for Republicans since 2016 and will never vote for any Democrats due to discrimination promoted by Dems with programs such as DEI and affirmative action.

I have noticed many other Asian families shocked by government (our hard earned money) paying for sex change operations for convicted criminals and illegal aliens and, allowiowing sex change operations for minors without the consent or even knowledge of parents.

You’re marinating your brain in right wing fake news.

[Anonymous]

Dems could follow Rosie and move to Ireland.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(1) Democrats should stop with the identity politics.
(2) Democrats should stop talking down to people. It's really insulting.
(3) Democrats should stop embracing socialistic policies. Capitalism, despite its inherent faults, entrepreneurialism, and our natural resources is what made this country an economic powerhouse. Don't kill the golden goose.
(4) Democrats should drop the boys playing in girls sports, dressing in bathrooms, etc.
(5) Democrats need to have strong foreign policies. They're viewed as weak by the world. And our enemies took advantage of it.
(6) Democrats should follow the Republican lead on cutting government waste and fraud. We're $37 Trillion in debt for pete's sake. This is a national security issue. We're paying over $1 Trillion in interest on this debt a year. Something has to give. We can't lose the world reserve currency status.
(7) Democrats should stop taxing the crap out of Americans.
(8) Democrats should become more business friendly.
(9) Democrats should push personal responsibility and not "the government will take care of everything for you" policies. Less government.
(10) Democrats should stop the "we're against Trump on everything".
(11) Democrats should stop the "nazis", "attack on Democracy", blah, blah blah. It's a bunch of BS and no one buys it.
(12) Democrats need to back our sovereign borders and legal immigration. Get rid of birthright citizenship. That was for a different time. No more anchor babies. Stop free healthcare of illegals.
(13) Democrats need to find a more moderate leader that's not based on what race, sex, sexuality, ethnicity, etc they are.
(14) Democrats need to stop politicizing government agencies such as the DoJ or IRS for instance.
(15) Democrats need to stop listening to James Carville.

Excellent list!

not really, it does not address the number 2 issue with Democrats in last election, there push to expand overwhelming immigration. immigration is good for corporations and rich elites, but is bad for US workers. How can the party of labor claim they support US workers and simultaneously push for expanding immigration.

Liberal professionals look upon nationalism with unmitigated horror, because all they see is the racist aspect. What they’re missing is how nationalism is a reaction to the detrimental impacts of globalization. Two-thirds of working-class Whites and three- quarters of Trump primary voters see trade deals as harmful to American workers, and there’s plenty of evidence that they’re right (and that foreign laborers are being exploited in the bargain as well). When Trump tells them he will bring back their jobs by shredding unpopular trade and climate deals, that sounds pretty damn good.

After NAFTA passed, the president of the electrical workers’ union vowed revenge: “Clinton screwed us and we won’t forget it.” Twenty-four years and a few dozen Trump anti-NAFTA jeremiads later, rank-and-file electrical union members welcomed Trump to their Philadelphia job site. Minnesota iron and steel workers, too, say they’ve never forgiven President Clinton for NAFTA and that Trump won them over with his outspoken commitment to killing the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Trade deals, they say, are their No. 1 issue and the reason the once-solidly blue North Star state is turning red.

How Liberals Left the White Working Class Behind
https://www.yesmagazine.org/democracy/2019/12/16/book-politics-divide/ 

The issue is there is no back, there is moving forward or getting left behind. Folks are still hoping old coal mining jobs can come back despite seeing what’s it’s done to environment, health, and seeing that the industry has moved on.

Also this same white working class has given power over to politicians and companies, especially big ones, letting them get the most benefit to determine the course of everything. Which party is for the elimination of unions? Who do unions support? Who is the party talking about changes to healthcare and changes to insurance?

“I’m suggesting that there are social and political conditions, other than or in addition to bigotry, that make many working- and lower-middle- class people feel “left behind.” “If they hired Trump to blow up a system they see as rigged, campaigns that promise to return to the good ol’ days of 2015.”

These quotes, like this thread are exactly the problem. Folks are expecting Dems to fix all the problems and make people feel good. And when they can’t or don’t do it in a way some like, or in some ridiculously short prescribed time folks shift and blame and go looking for something else, usually in the wrong place because they won’t educate themselves. So now they are for Trump blowing up the system. Okay, then what’s going on now is what they want. Republicans and Trump have the solutions and power. So why are folks angry? What took them by surprise? Why are folks expecting Dems to do something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

Or maybe the voters could try not being stupid racists.

What you’re not getting is that this is who these Americans are. This is what they want. They want radical change, because they think they’re being left behind. They voted for a dictator to punish those uppity brown people and women and foreigners. Now they have one, and they’re ecstatic. Nothing the Democrats could possibly say or do can penetrate a bubble built on fear and hatred. Facts don’t matter. Logic doesn’t matter. Empathy doesn’t matter. Christian values don’t matter. For the past few decades, they’ve been carefully taught to hate anyone with a D attached to their name.

You’re inside that same bubble too, gloating over imaginary caricatures of preening out of touch Democrats. Nothing the Democrats do would make them palatable to you unless they move further to the right. Why on earth would they do that? Then they wouldn’t be Democrats any longer. They’d be moderate Republicans, of the sort that voters keep rejecting in favor of ever more extreme MAGA candidates.

The center isn’t coming back. This country is more polarized than it’s ever been. We can’t even agree on a common set of facts or beliefs anymore.

This isn’t a Democrat problem. It’s a voter problem. They are the ones responsible for waking up and realizing the GOP’s smash and destroy mission isn’t making their lives better, just as a drug addict is responsible for getting clean. Until they hit rock bottom, everything their friends and family say will get perceived as moralistic nagging. That seems to be your main peeve with Democrats, that they should get off their moral high horse, stop nagging, and… what, start enabling?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

Or maybe the voters could try not being stupid racists.

What you’re not getting is that this is who these Americans are. This is what they want. They want radical change, because they think they’re being left behind. They voted for a dictator to punish those uppity brown people and women and foreigners. Now they have one, and they’re ecstatic. Nothing the Democrats could possibly say or do can penetrate a bubble built on fear and hatred. Facts don’t matter. Logic doesn’t matter. Empathy doesn’t matter. Christian values don’t matter. For the past few decades, they’ve been carefully taught to hate anyone with a D attached to their name.

You’re inside that same bubble too, gloating over imaginary caricatures of preening out of touch Democrats. Nothing the Democrats do would make them palatable to you unless they move further to the right. Why on earth would they do that? Then they wouldn’t be Democrats any longer. They’d be moderate Republicans, of the sort that voters keep rejecting in favor of ever more extreme MAGA candidates.

The center isn’t coming back. This country is more polarized than it’s ever been. We can’t even agree on a common set of facts or beliefs anymore.

This isn’t a Democrat problem. It’s a voter problem. They are the ones responsible for waking up and realizing the GOP’s smash and destroy mission isn’t making their lives better, just as a drug addict is responsible for getting clean. Until they hit rock bottom, everything their friends and family say will get perceived as moralistic nagging. That seems to be your main peeve with Democrats, that they should get off their moral high horse, stop nagging, and… what, start enabling?

+1000
The problem isn’t with what Democrats stand for. It’s that the American voters have chosen authoritarianism. If the price to pay to win elections is becoming a second rightist party, screw it - the country is already lost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

Or maybe the voters could try not being stupid racists.

What you’re not getting is that this is who these Americans are. This is what they want. They want radical change, because they think they’re being left behind. They voted for a dictator to punish those uppity brown people and women and foreigners. Now they have one, and they’re ecstatic. Nothing the Democrats could possibly say or do can penetrate a bubble built on fear and hatred. Facts don’t matter. Logic doesn’t matter. Empathy doesn’t matter. Christian values don’t matter. For the past few decades, they’ve been carefully taught to hate anyone with a D attached to their name.

You’re inside that same bubble too, gloating over imaginary caricatures of preening out of touch Democrats. Nothing the Democrats do would make them palatable to you unless they move further to the right. Why on earth would they do that? Then they wouldn’t be Democrats any longer. They’d be moderate Republicans, of the sort that voters keep rejecting in favor of ever more extreme MAGA candidates.

The center isn’t coming back. This country is more polarized than it’s ever been. We can’t even agree on a common set of facts or beliefs anymore.

This isn’t a Democrat problem. It’s a voter problem. They are the ones responsible for waking up and realizing the GOP’s smash and destroy mission isn’t making their lives better, just as a drug addict is responsible for getting clean. Until they hit rock bottom, everything their friends and family say will get perceived as moralistic nagging. That seems to be your main peeve with Democrats, that they should get off their moral high horse, stop nagging, and… what, start enabling?

You sound like a spoiled child asserting nothing is ever your fault, ever, and you are always, always right.

The voters are leaving you behind, as one should treat spoiled brats.

[Anonymous]

I think the Democratic Party is in great shape and is heading in the right direction. Time will prove that their ideas and beliefs are, in fact, correct from a literal, religious and moral standpoint. They are the Enlightened ones, and we should also fully support them and their policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

Or maybe the voters could try not being stupid racists.

What you’re not getting is that this is who these Americans are. This is what they want. They want radical change, because they think they’re being left behind. They voted for a dictator to punish those uppity brown people and women and foreigners. Now they have one, and they’re ecstatic. Nothing the Democrats could possibly say or do can penetrate a bubble built on fear and hatred. Facts don’t matter. Logic doesn’t matter. Empathy doesn’t matter. Christian values don’t matter. For the past few decades, they’ve been carefully taught to hate anyone with a D attached to their name.

You’re inside that same bubble too, gloating over imaginary caricatures of preening out of touch Democrats. Nothing the Democrats do would make them palatable to you unless they move further to the right. Why on earth would they do that? Then they wouldn’t be Democrats any longer. They’d be moderate Republicans, of the sort that voters keep rejecting in favor of ever more extreme MAGA candidates.

The center isn’t coming back. This country is more polarized than it’s ever been. We can’t even agree on a common set of facts or beliefs anymore.

This isn’t a Democrat problem. It’s a voter problem. They are the ones responsible for waking up and realizing the GOP’s smash and destroy mission isn’t making their lives better, just as a drug addict is responsible for getting clean. Until they hit rock bottom, everything their friends and family say will get perceived as moralistic nagging. That seems to be your main peeve with Democrats, that they should get off their moral high horse, stop nagging, and… what, start enabling?

You need votes from people you despise. You are incapable of empathizing with them. Good luck with that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

Or maybe the voters could try not being stupid racists.

What you’re not getting is that this is who these Americans are. This is what they want. They want radical change, because they think they’re being left behind. They voted for a dictator to punish those uppity brown people and women and foreigners. Now they have one, and they’re ecstatic. Nothing the Democrats could possibly say or do can penetrate a bubble built on fear and hatred. Facts don’t matter. Logic doesn’t matter. Empathy doesn’t matter. Christian values don’t matter. For the past few decades, they’ve been carefully taught to hate anyone with a D attached to their name.

You’re inside that same bubble too, gloating over imaginary caricatures of preening out of touch Democrats. Nothing the Democrats do would make them palatable to you unless they move further to the right. Why on earth would they do that? Then they wouldn’t be Democrats any longer. They’d be moderate Republicans, of the sort that voters keep rejecting in favor of ever more extreme MAGA candidates.

The center isn’t coming back. This country is more polarized than it’s ever been. We can’t even agree on a common set of facts or beliefs anymore.

This isn’t a Democrat problem. It’s a voter problem. They are the ones responsible for waking up and realizing the GOP’s smash and destroy mission isn’t making their lives better, just as a drug addict is responsible for getting clean. Until they hit rock bottom, everything their friends and family say will get perceived as moralistic nagging. That seems to be your main peeve with Democrats, that they should get off their moral high horse, stop nagging, and… what, start enabling?

Your party is just like you—it knows everything except how to win elections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

Or maybe the voters could try not being stupid racists.

What you’re not getting is that this is who these Americans are. This is what they want. They want radical change, because they think they’re being left behind. They voted for a dictator to punish those uppity brown people and women and foreigners. Now they have one, and they’re ecstatic. Nothing the Democrats could possibly say or do can penetrate a bubble built on fear and hatred. Facts don’t matter. Logic doesn’t matter. Empathy doesn’t matter. Christian values don’t matter. For the past few decades, they’ve been carefully taught to hate anyone with a D attached to their name.

You’re inside that same bubble too, gloating over imaginary caricatures of preening out of touch Democrats. Nothing the Democrats do would make them palatable to you unless they move further to the right. Why on earth would they do that? Then they wouldn’t be Democrats any longer. They’d be moderate Republicans, of the sort that voters keep rejecting in favor of ever more extreme MAGA candidates.

The center isn’t coming back. This country is more polarized than it’s ever been. We can’t even agree on a common set of facts or beliefs anymore.

This isn’t a Democrat problem. It’s a voter problem. They are the ones responsible for waking up and realizing the GOP’s smash and destroy mission isn’t making their lives better, just as a drug addict is responsible for getting clean. Until they hit rock bottom, everything their friends and family say will get perceived as moralistic nagging. That seems to be your main peeve with Democrats, that they should get off their moral high horse, stop nagging, and… what, start enabling?

You sound like a spoiled child asserting nothing is ever your fault, ever, and you are always, always right.

The voters are leaving you behind, as one should treat spoiled brats.

PP response was mature and thoughtful.

Your response: Wah! Spoiled brat! Childish!

Not exactly a mic drop there, pal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems seem to think they can just make a few tweaks, correct a few mistakes, and move on. But that would only work if the voters had no memories. Of COURSE Dems should ease up on promoting migrants and trans folks. Of COURSE Dems should stop calling the voters stupid racists. But will the voters really come back and say, “Thanks for not calking me a stupid racist this year—here’s my vote”? No. Voter dislike of Dems is permanent. By all means, Dems should behave better. But they can’t be that optimistic. People aren’t stupid. They know Dems hate normal Americans. Even if they manage to start hiding it better.

I'm afraid you are correct. Our brand is coated with a stink that can't be removed with any known solvent.

Or maybe the voters could try not being stupid racists.

What you’re not getting is that this is who these Americans are. This is what they want. They want radical change, because they think they’re being left behind. They voted for a dictator to punish those uppity brown people and women and foreigners. Now they have one, and they’re ecstatic. Nothing the Democrats could possibly say or do can penetrate a bubble built on fear and hatred. Facts don’t matter. Logic doesn’t matter. Empathy doesn’t matter. Christian values don’t matter. For the past few decades, they’ve been carefully taught to hate anyone with a D attached to their name.

You’re inside that same bubble too, gloating over imaginary caricatures of preening out of touch Democrats. Nothing the Democrats do would make them palatable to you unless they move further to the right. Why on earth would they do that? Then they wouldn’t be Democrats any longer. They’d be moderate Republicans, of the sort that voters keep rejecting in favor of ever more extreme MAGA candidates.

The center isn’t coming back. This country is more polarized than it’s ever been. We can’t even agree on a common set of facts or beliefs anymore.

This isn’t a Democrat problem. It’s a voter problem. They are the ones responsible for waking up and realizing the GOP’s smash and destroy mission isn’t making their lives better, just as a drug addict is responsible for getting clean. Until they hit rock bottom, everything their friends and family say will get perceived as moralistic nagging. That seems to be your main peeve with Democrats, that they should get off their moral high horse, stop nagging, and… what, start enabling?

You sound like a spoiled child asserting nothing is ever your fault, ever, and you are always, always right.

The voters are leaving you behind, as one should treat spoiled brats.

PP response was mature and thoughtful.

Your response: Wah! Spoiled brat! Childish!

Not exactly a mic drop there, pal.

It wasn’t thoughtful. It was a temper tantrum.