Tuckahoe Boots Machine

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how the meet invitations are going to work, though. I don’t see NCI or Turkey Claus being an option. Will York be okay with this new team going to Sport Fair? Maybe he has an agreement with RMSC to just do their meets. Anyway, blackballing seems real (especially with the FXFX/Makos example someone shared in the earlier pages of this thread). As a parent of a high performing young swimmer, that would matter to me.

Swimmers would also most likely have to swim unattached for a year until everything with the Club in up and running with USA Swimming. Not sure if that impacts anything or not.

But yes I don't think NCI/Turkey Claus will be an option or any other Machine hosted meet.

NCI isn’t that great of a meet anyway. The RMSC Riley Eaton meet is much better and has prelims and finals. If T and his new team are willing to go to MD that would be a great meet for him to attend.

Turkey Claus is a great meet for lower level competition.

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[Anonymous]

Quick summary:

1. Tuckahoe’s Board handling of this was questionable at best

2. Torrey showed lack of judgment and maturity by telling swimmers before an official announcement was made (this definitely happened…my DS who is not a swimmer was told about it from a friend on the Yorktown swim team)

3. Families now have some decisions to make

4. Lots of questions about the new Club in terms of meets, when they will be USA approved, etc

5. Tuckahoe now has its own unofficial year round competitive swim team

6. If your kid doesn’t swim for York, Machine or Tuckahoe and you are happy at your current Club you probably don’t care about any of this

[Anonymous]

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I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Well given that Torey announced to his high school team that he was leaving and starting his own club at Tuckahoe before Machine was even “informed they were starting and RFP process” means on of two things is true. 1. Torey was/is incredible arrogant to announce this before it was a done deal or 2. It was in fact a done deal and the board agreed to boot machine for his club before even receiving any RFPs.

This has been repeated ad nauseum and continues to be untrue. My niece swims at Yorktown, he announced he was leaving Yorktown at the end of the season as it was the last time the full team would be together and he wanted to tell them himself. Paris has been spouting this false nonsense about this club ‘announcement’ for over a month now. It didn’t happen.

Since the BOD has reentered the chat. Sorry. Not false. My kid was there and as were other parents. Please stop trying to pin this on others or profess something as fact when you clearly state you were not there. This is not Paris or anyone else.

Were you there? I also know multiple swimmers who were there and I have never heard from those swimmers that he said he was starting his own club at Tuckahoe. He did however let them know he would not be returning to Yorktown. Not sure where this misinformation is coming from.

The stories, the gossip, and this game of telephone is pretty terrible!

I previously reported on this thread this is what I also heard from my swimmer.

1. This is still damning and indicates he knew before the RFP even went out he was starting the new club. Who quits their job they like and are good at with no new plan as an adult?

2. You don’t think it’s possible other kids and parents standing on the deck had follow up conversations with him where he said more? Very plausible to me. It would be natural for those who have a closer relationship with him to ask him his future plans.

[Anonymous]

Did the full Tuckahoe board even vote for this? There are repeated references in the email to a working group doing all this.

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If you think k about the timing…T blabs on Jan 24 and RFPs go out Jan 31.

Maybe the RFP fake process was created due to backlash when the news got out there and it was an attempt to smooth things over and make this all look more legitimate. Maybe there was oringinally no plan to have an RFP process and T didn’t speak out of turn on Jan 24. Because why would he do that if he knew an RFP was coming and he was going to have to legitimately compete for access to the pool?

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Anonymous wrote:If you think k about the timing…T blabs on Jan 24 and RFPs go out Jan 31.

Maybe the RFP fake process was created due to backlash when the news got out there and it was an attempt to smooth things over and make this all look more legitimate. Maybe there was oringinally no plan to have an RFP process and T didn’t speak out of turn on Jan 24. Because why would he do that if he knew an RFP was coming and he was going to have to legitimately compete for access to the pool?

To add to this... Paris was informed by a parent during a meet on Jan 25th that he was taking the Tuckahoe site. According to the board they did not start the RFP solicitation process until Jan 31st. Had his announcement to Yorktown simply been that he would not be coaching the next season why wound anyone suspect it was because he was starting a new club at Tuckahoe? I am sure people asked why he was leaving, to which he could have said he was pursuing other options and left it vague. I don't think people pulled out the new club and location out of thin air.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does York swim any of the Machine hosted meets? With PVS hosted meets each month, I doubt it is difficult for any local club to find meets to swim at. And it wouldn’t take driving up to Rockville and RMSC to find them.

Machine is not invited to any York hosted meets and vice versa.

To point out how fast misinformation spreads, Machine is invited to York's March Madness meet. York additionally hosts three mini meets that may coincide with Machine meets.

I hope the athletes that join T's group have many opportunities to race. At the end of the day, the priority is the swimmer.

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How can they host a USA swimming meet with just a 6 lane pool? No one is going to want to go to a swim meet that is scm in a pool with no blocks

I don't think Tuckahoe Rec Club has any intention of hosting a PVS meet at Tuckahoe. All the other clubs rent space (e.g. Oak Marr, St. James, Audrey Moore, George Mason, etc etc) to host meets. If you've been to any Winter Meet, even the Fairfax County rec centers seem to be busting at the seams for meets. But I'd imagine that's WAY in the future.

First hurdle is going to be getting invited to meets as a new club....once the USA Swimming process is complete.

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How can they host a USA swimming meet with just a 6 lane pool? No one is going to want to go to a swim meet that is scm in a pool with no blocks

I don't think Tuckahoe Rec Club has any intention of hosting a PVS meet at Tuckahoe. All the other clubs rent space (e.g. Oak Marr, St. James, Audrey Moore, George Mason, etc etc) to host meets. If you've been to any Winter Meet, even the Fairfax County rec centers seem to be busting at the seams for meets. But I'd imagine that's WAY in the future.

First hurdle is going to be getting invited to meets as a new club....once the USA Swimming process is complete.

Wouldn’t it be “Hydro Swim Club” hosting the meet…not Tuckahoe…🤔🤔

Oh wait…they are one in the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many kids can be on a swim team supported by a 6 lane indoor pool and an outdoor 25 meter pool with no blocks that also has to have some space reserved for swim lessons and member swim? How can they host a USA swimming meet with just a 6 lane pool? No one is going to want to go to a swim meet that is scm in a pool with no blocks

There is no requirement that any team host meets. Teams volunteer to do so. There are a lot of smaller PVS teams that do not host meets, obviously if you are a large team you can't really get away with not hosting. There are block in the indoor pool, but it will not be used to host meets. When teams host meets they are not at these smaller practice facilities they are at the larger pools (rec centers, The St James, UMD, Fairland) that can accommodate meets.

But still burning bridges, not being an official USA swim team will limit which meets this new club can and will attend especially the first year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how the meet invitations are going to work, though. I don’t see NCI or Turkey Claus being an option. Will York be okay with this new team going to Sport Fair? Maybe he has an agreement with RMSC to just do their meets. Anyway, blackballing seems real (especially with the FXFX/Makos example someone shared in the earlier pages of this thread). As a parent of a high performing young swimmer, that would matter to me.

Swimmers would also most likely have to swim unattached for a year until everything with the Club in up and running with USA Swimming. Not sure if that impacts anything or not.

But yes I don't think NCI/Turkey Claus will be an option or any other Machine hosted meet.

NCI isn’t that great of a meet anyway. The RMSC Riley Eaton meet is much better and has prelims and finals. If T and his new team are willing to go to MD that would be a great meet for him to attend.

Turkey Claus is a great meet for lower level competition.

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I agree, I think NIC is average at best. At least Turkeyclaus has prelims and finals. Not sure how you have a “winter championship” meet without prelims and finals.

I’ve been to both meets with swimmers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how the meet invitations are going to work, though. I don’t see NCI or Turkey Claus being an option. Will York be okay with this new team going to Sport Fair? Maybe he has an agreement with RMSC to just do their meets. Anyway, blackballing seems real (especially with the FXFX/Makos example someone shared in the earlier pages of this thread). As a parent of a high performing young swimmer, that would matter to me.

Swimmers would also most likely have to swim unattached for a year until everything with the Club in up and running with USA Swimming. Not sure if that impacts anything or not.

But yes I don't think NCI/Turkey Claus will be an option or any other Machine hosted meet.

NCI isn’t that great of a meet anyway. The RMSC Riley Eaton meet is much better and has prelims and finals. If T and his new team are willing to go to MD that would be a great meet for him to attend.

Turkey Claus is a great meet for lower level competition.

🙄

I agree, I think NIC is average at best. At least Turkeyclaus has prelims and finals. Not sure how you have a “winter championship” meet without prelims and finals.

I’ve been to both meets with swimmers.

What are you all talking about? NCI has prelims and finals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how the meet invitations are going to work, though. I don’t see NCI or Turkey Claus being an option. Will York be okay with this new team going to Sport Fair? Maybe he has an agreement with RMSC to just do their meets. Anyway, blackballing seems real (especially with the FXFX/Makos example someone shared in the earlier pages of this thread). As a parent of a high performing young swimmer, that would matter to me.

Swimmers would also most likely have to swim unattached for a year until everything with the Club in up and running with USA Swimming. Not sure if that impacts anything or not.

But yes I don't think NCI/Turkey Claus will be an option or any other Machine hosted meet.

NCI isn’t that great of a meet anyway. The RMSC Riley Eaton meet is much better and has prelims and finals. If T and his new team are willing to go to MD that would be a great meet for him to attend.

Turkey Claus is a great meet for lower level competition.

🙄

I agree, I think NIC is average at best. At least Turkeyclaus has prelims and finals. Not sure how you have a “winter championship” meet without prelims and finals.

I’ve been to both meets with swimmers.

NCI is an extremely fast winter champs meet (finals there are usually faster than at the March PVS champs meets) and has prelims and finals. If you need to troll with your NCAP hate at least say something accurate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how the meet invitations are going to work, though. I don’t see NCI or Turkey Claus being an option. Will York be okay with this new team going to Sport Fair? Maybe he has an agreement with RMSC to just do their meets. Anyway, blackballing seems real (especially with the FXFX/Makos example someone shared in the earlier pages of this thread). As a parent of a high performing young swimmer, that would matter to me.

Swimmers would also most likely have to swim unattached for a year until everything with the Club in up and running with USA Swimming. Not sure if that impacts anything or not.

But yes I don't think NCI/Turkey Claus will be an option or any other Machine hosted meet.

NCI isn’t that great of a meet anyway. The RMSC Riley Eaton meet is much better and has prelims and finals. If T and his new team are willing to go to MD that would be a great meet for him to attend.

Turkey Claus is a great meet for lower level competition.

🙄

I agree, I think NIC is average at best. At least Turkeyclaus has prelims and finals. Not sure how you have a “winter championship” meet without prelims and finals.

I’ve been to both meets with swimmers.

NCI is an extremely fast winter champs meet (finals there are usually faster than at the March PVS champs meets) and has prelims and finals. If you need to troll with your NCAP hate at least say something accurate.

⬆️ Exactly this. Both the Riley one by RMSC and NCI (NCAP) are the fastest winter meets, and both have prelims and finals. The level of inaccurate info spewed in this entire thread is wild.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how the meet invitations are going to work, though. I don’t see NCI or Turkey Claus being an option. Will York be okay with this new team going to Sport Fair? Maybe he has an agreement with RMSC to just do their meets. Anyway, blackballing seems real (especially with the FXFX/Makos example someone shared in the earlier pages of this thread). As a parent of a high performing young swimmer, that would matter to me.

Swimmers would also most likely have to swim unattached for a year until everything with the Club in up and running with USA Swimming. Not sure if that impacts anything or not.

But yes I don't think NCI/Turkey Claus will be an option or any other Machine hosted meet.

NCI isn’t that great of a meet anyway. The RMSC Riley Eaton meet is much better and has prelims and finals. If T and his new team are willing to go to MD that would be a great meet for him to attend.

Turkey Claus is a great meet for lower level competition.

🙄

I agree, I think NIC is average at best. At least Turkeyclaus has prelims and finals. Not sure how you have a “winter championship” meet without prelims and finals.

I’ve been to both meets with swimmers.

Why are you spewing inaccurate info? I could cast aspersions, but you aren’t worth it. Geez, just go to the PVS Meet Results for the actual facts. https://www.pvswim.org/2425meet/25-40-results.pdf