Tuckahoe Boots Machine

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Machine Aquatics was a long-standing tenant for over 25 years, yet they were removed without prior notice, which is highly unprofessional.

Additionally, it appears other established programs, like Swim Farm, were brought into the process, under false pretenses,

does any other team have a direct pipeline from their summer program to a year-round club team running out of the same pool, with their summer coach as the owner?

Lastly, this has significant consequences for Machine swimmers, families, and coaches who now have to scramble for alternatives with little notice. The lack of communication and the way this was executed do not reflect well on those involved.

This is ridiculous. First, how much prior notice does Machine need? They were given a chance to bid and told the outcome of the decision along with everyone else.

As for Swim Farm being brought in under false pretenses, I would want to hear from Swim Farm first. And the owner of Swim Farm is the head coach for Donaldson Run. Several summer pools have winter programs.

As for the scramble, Machine has 150 sites and parents have months to make a decision before registration in May. This isn't exactly last minute.

Just came here to say that I would also love to hear from Swim Farm and Machine. What did their offers look like? Just curious how they stacked up and what the differences were between them and the winning bid.

Mach’s proposal included “substantial financial commitments” to Tuckahoe’s capital improvement needs, including their HVAC system.

I’m a little surprised that T’s proposal included a comparable financial commitment, but maybe it did? I hope Tuckahoe is making a prudent decision and not one based solely on a relationship.

[Anonymous]

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This situation also raises questions about competitive fairness within NVSL. Summer league is designed to provide an equal playing field, but does any other team have a direct pipeline from their summer program to a year-round club team running out of the same pool, with their summer coach as the owner? If not, this change creates a potential imbalance that should be addressed.

This has nothing to do with NVSL and the concern is not valid. Having Machine at Tuckahoe did not create an unfair pipeline. Tuckahoe has a membership waitlist that does not have rolling memberships as do some other NVSL clubs. There is no avenue to streamline swimmers joining this new club to become a TRC member. Membership is a requirement to swim for an NVSL team.

People may have some valid questions and concerns but this is not one. This impacts PVS swimmers only and only where and who they chose to swim for.

[Anonymous]

Realistically, the many of the Machine swimmers and probably some coaches from Tuckahoe are just going to switch to this new club. If the location is convenient, then it's convenient. For many parents with young swimmers, logistics is king.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the many of the Machine swimmers and probably some coaches from Tuckahoe are just going to switch to this new club. If the location is convenient, then it's convenient. For many parents with young swimmers, logistics is king.

Yep makes sense

[Anonymous]

If Paris spent time nurturing a relationship with her customer (Tuckahoe Board) this would never have happened. She was called by the Tuckahoe board a few years back asking for her recommendation for a head coach at Tuckahoe but she refused to respond or call back. She had the chance to place a Machine coach there (or at least keep a good relationship with the board) but she refused.

Paris spent years acting as if the contract and pool location was something she deserved and they could never change. Sometimes you need to look in the mirror on what you could have done better.

And for what it’s worth Machine got its start at York recruiting kids from the practice Dan was coaching in Herndon (while drawing a paycheck from York). All’s fair in pools and swim coaching. For any haters out there - point out the lie in anything I have said….Ill wait

[Anonymous]

Wow. I can only imagine the amount of money involved. As a board member of a club that’s in a completely different position, I can only imagine…

[Anonymous]

To the poster who asked if there were other teams with a direct pipeline into NVsL? Look no further than Vienna Aquatic club. Machine had Dan and Blair coaching there and 99% of their kids swam at machine. It was a pipe into machine and back to VAC. So yes this is normal. Tuckahoe has an indoor pool at their site but that is not normal- only one I know of anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Paris spent time nurturing a relationship with her customer (Tuckahoe Board) this would never have happened. She was called by the Tuckahoe board a few years back asking for her recommendation for a head coach at Tuckahoe but she refused to respond or call back. She had the chance to place a Machine coach there (or at least keep a good relationship with the board) but she refused.

Paris spent years acting as if the contract and pool location was something she deserved and they could never change. Sometimes you need to look in the mirror on what you could have done better.

And for what it’s worth Machine got its start at York recruiting kids from the practice Dan was coaching in Herndon (while drawing a paycheck from York). All’s fair in pools and swim coaching. For any haters out there - point out the lie in anything I have said….Ill wait

Please show your proof here? so this is the MO of the Board now? Try and shift blame to Paris? How is a year to year contract something that could never change? Pretty wild accusation to throw at someone when you provide no proof and she has a long standing and respected career locally and nationally. Seems like the Board is on here now doing damage control. Understandable for sure.

[Anonymous]

Mach’s proposal included “substantial financial commitments” to Tuckahoe’s capital improvement needs, including their HVAC system.

I’m a little surprised that T’s proposal included a comparable financial commitment, but maybe it did? I hope Tuckahoe is making a prudent decision and not one based solely on a relationship.

Unless you are Machine and put in the proposal, this statement is based on the detailed letter from the Tuckahoe President to the members where he said

All three proposals offered contributions in varying degrees to help with upcoming infrastructure projects, such as the deck repair and the HVAC replacement for the indoor pool. Moreover, all three proposals represented significantly increased revenue over the existing contract.

Why would you believe the statement applied only to Machine. Do you have some inside knowledge of the other proposals?

[Anonymous]

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Please show your proof here? so this is the MO of the Board now? Try and shift blame to Paris? How is a year to year contract something that could never change? Pretty wild accusation to throw at someone when you provide no proof and she has a long standing and respected career locally and nationally. Seems like the Board is on here now doing damage control. Understandable for sure.

Machine Parent here, if her interactions are anything like how she runs a swim meet (always starting late, missing volunteers, meet mobile delays), this is absolutely believable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Paris spent time nurturing a relationship with her customer (Tuckahoe Board) this would never have happened. She was called by the Tuckahoe board a few years back asking for her recommendation for a head coach at Tuckahoe but she refused to respond or call back. She had the chance to place a Machine coach there (or at least keep a good relationship with the board) but she refused.

Paris spent years acting as if the contract and pool location was something she deserved and they could never change. Sometimes you need to look in the mirror on what you could have done better.

And for what it’s worth Machine got its start at York recruiting kids from the practice Dan was coaching in Herndon (while drawing a paycheck from York). All’s fair in pools and swim coaching. For any haters out there - point out the lie in anything I have said….Ill wait

And a Tuckahoe board member has entered the chat…

[Anonymous]

Clearly genius business people making fiscally responsible decisions as board members…last I checked even idiot VCs don’t take risks on first time founders with zero business aptitude.

[Anonymous]

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Please show your proof here? so this is the MO of the Board now? Try and shift blame to Paris? How is a year to year contract something that could never change? Pretty wild accusation to throw at someone when you provide no proof and she has a long standing and respected career locally and nationally. Seems like the Board is on here now doing damage control. Understandable for sure.

Machine Parent here, if her interactions are anything like how she runs a swim meet (always starting late, missing volunteers, meet mobile delays), this is absolutely believable.

Meet Mobile delays? HAHA. Clearly you don't understand the program, internet and meet operations. The meet manager (Paris or anyone else) does not control meet mobile, HyTek does. Meet managers don't control parents not signing up and officials not starting the meet until enough parents volunteer but okay. As an official, we hope to see you down on deck volunteering soon so we can start on time for you.

[Anonymous]

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Mach’s proposal included “substantial financial commitments” to Tuckahoe’s capital improvement needs, including their HVAC system.

I’m a little surprised that T’s proposal included a comparable financial commitment, but maybe it did? I hope Tuckahoe is making a prudent decision and not one based solely on a relationship.

Unless you are Machine and put in the proposal, this statement is based on the detailed letter from the Tuckahoe President to the members where he said

All three proposals offered contributions in varying degrees to help with upcoming infrastructure projects, such as the deck repair and the HVAC replacement for the indoor pool. Moreover, all three proposals represented significantly increased revenue over the existing contract.

Why would you believe the statement applied only to Machine. Do you have some inside knowledge of the other proposals?

I did acknowledge that T might have provided a comparable financial commitment, but doubted it. Perhaps a rich prince in Nigeria that emailed him promising to send him money to fund capital improvements at Tuckahoe.

My information regarding Machine’s proposal came from the email that they sent to families regarding the matter.

I have no clue what SF proposed, but they didn’t come out on top, so it doesn’t really matter.

[Anonymous]

Can we go back to the positivity please? Machine lost a contract but nobody here deserves to be picked on.