Tuckahoe Boots Machine

[Anonymous]

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I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Well given that Torey announced to his high school team that he was leaving and starting his own club at Tuckahoe before Machine was even “informed they were starting and RFP process” means on of two things is true. 1. Torey was/is incredible arrogant to announce this before it was a done deal or 2. It was in fact a done deal and the board agreed to boot machine for his club before even receiving any RFPs.

This has been repeated ad nauseum and continues to be untrue. My niece swims at Yorktown, he announced he was leaving Yorktown at the end of the season as it was the last time the full team would be together and he wanted to tell them himself. Paris has been spouting this false nonsense about this club ‘announcement’ for over a month now. It didn’t happen.

How is this any less damning? He gave his employer notice and told a bunch of kids he wasn’t returning because he thought maybe they’d put out an RFP a week later and he’d see how that worked out?

It’s obvious he knew he was leaving to start this new club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Well given that Torey announced to his high school team that he was leaving and starting his own club at Tuckahoe before Machine was even “informed they were starting and RFP process” means on of two things is true. 1. Torey was/is incredible arrogant to announce this before it was a done deal or 2. It was in fact a done deal and the board agreed to boot machine for his club before even receiving any RFPs.

This has been repeated ad nauseum and continues to be untrue. My niece swims at Yorktown, he announced he was leaving Yorktown at the end of the season as it was the last time the full team would be together and he wanted to tell them himself. Paris has been spouting this false nonsense about this club ‘announcement’ for over a month now. It didn’t happen.

Since the BOD has reentered the chat. Sorry. Not false. My kid was there and as were other parents. Please stop trying to pin this on others or profess something as fact when you clearly state you were not there. This is not Paris or anyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does York swim any of the Machine hosted meets? With PVS hosted meets each month, I doubt it is difficult for any local club to find meets to swim at. And it wouldn’t take driving up to Rockville and RMSC to find them.

You would really just need to fill in a December champs meet, a February meet that’s a last chance qualifier for March champs, and maybe a LC meet in May.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am just processing the absurdity that they notified people they wanted a proposal January 31 and when did they send this email to their membership announcing a decision? No later than Feb 21?

In 20 days you ran an RFP process? How long did they even give the other clubs to submit a proposal?

They rammed this fake process through to cover up that it was a done deal and they’d handed him this pool in the winter for his new club.

Correct. Total inside job. It’s your pool, you can make changes as the board sees fit, but this was promised to T back in December. Own this is what you did and move on!

Problem is, sounds like the rest of the board, and certainly their membership, was not informed. I watched the president of Tuckahoe pretty much be ignored by everyone at the meet this last weekend while he tried to justify everything to anyone he could get to listen and blame others.

Just be honest of how this went down, apologize for wasting peoples time and move on. So simple and easy.

….and wearing a tuckahoe tshirt too. Maybe no message was intended…but man could you read the room a bit better. Or maybe he did and that was a f* you. lol

Absolutely. Given he is openly trying to go after Machine people in the blame game, why not just move your children to train with T now? I would guess Machine would welcome it as well. I know most the parents would.

I thought the Tuckahoe’s Board President had swimmers at Machine (his own children).

In our small community where we know multiple Machine parents and families and a couple coaches I have heard a number of stories here. Including that they don’t take the relationship maintenance with Tuckahoe very seriously because they never thought they would get the boot. They took for granted that the slot would always be their’s. Not sure if there is any truth to that, but if they didn’t put effort into the RFP (even if it was a farce) maybe that played a role in the decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how the meet invitations are going to work, though. I don’t see NCI or Turkey Claus being an option. Will York be okay with this new team going to Sport Fair? Maybe he has an agreement with RMSC to just do their meets. Anyway, blackballing seems real (especially with the FXFX/Makos example someone shared in the earlier pages of this thread). As a parent of a high performing young swimmer, that would matter to me.

Swimmers would also most likely have to swim unattached for a year until everything with the Club in up and running with USA Swimming. Not sure if that impacts anything or not.

But yes I don't think NCI/Turkey Claus will be an option or any other Machine hosted meet.

NCI isn’t that great of a meet anyway. The RMSC Riley Eaton meet is much better and has prelims and finals. If T and his new team are willing to go to MD that would be a great meet for him to attend.

Turkey Claus is a great meet for lower level competition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[quote=Anonymous]How many kids can be on a swim team supported by a 6 lane indoor pool and an outdoor 25 meter pool with no blocks that also has to have some space reserved for swim lessons and member swim? How can they host a USA swimming meet with just a 6 lane pool? No one is going to want to go to a swim meet that is scm in a pool with no blocks

Roughly the same number of kids that would have swam there with Machine. You do realize nobody is making you swim there. This whole sport is somewhat voluntary.

Machine had other locations. Is this the only location for this nascent swim club?

I’m completely dumbfounded by this post. He’s not hosting meets at Tuckahoe’s indoor pool. It’s a practice facility. It’s similar to renting out lanes at a local rec center…they are practice lanes.

Machine previously used the 6 lane indoor pool to practice in. Now a new group is going to use the same 6 lanes for the same purpose. What is confusing about this???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Well given that Torey announced to his high school team that he was leaving and starting his own club at Tuckahoe before Machine was even “informed they were starting and RFP process” means on of two things is true. 1. Torey was/is incredible arrogant to announce this before it was a done deal or 2. It was in fact a done deal and the board agreed to boot machine for his club before even receiving any RFPs.

This has been repeated ad nauseum and continues to be untrue. My niece swims at Yorktown, he announced he was leaving Yorktown at the end of the season as it was the last time the full team would be together and he wanted to tell them himself. Paris has been spouting this false nonsense about this club ‘announcement’ for over a month now. It didn’t happen.

Since the BOD has reentered the chat. Sorry. Not false. My kid was there and as were other parents. Please stop trying to pin this on others or profess something as fact when you clearly state you were not there. This is not Paris or anyone else.

Were you there? I also know multiple swimmers who were there and I have never heard from those swimmers that he said he was starting his own club at Tuckahoe. He did however let them know he would not be returning to Yorktown. Not sure where this misinformation is coming from.

The stories, the gossip, and this game of telephone is pretty terrible!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many kids can be on a swim team supported by a 6 lane indoor pool and an outdoor 25 meter pool with no blocks that also has to have some space reserved for swim lessons and member swim? How can they host a USA swimming meet with just a 6 lane pool? No one is going to want to go to a swim meet that is scm in a pool with no blocks

Is this a real post?

I think this poster is referring to club meets and Tuckahoe being not equipped to host them, which means this new club will be relying on invites to meets run by other clubs.

This is what Dragons does, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many kids can be on a swim team supported by a 6 lane indoor pool and an outdoor 25 meter pool with no blocks that also has to have some space reserved for swim lessons and member swim? How can they host a USA swimming meet with just a 6 lane pool? No one is going to want to go to a swim meet that is scm in a pool with no blocks

Is this a real post?

I think this poster is referring to club meets and Tuckahoe being not equipped to host them, which means this new club will be relying on invites to meets run by other clubs.

This is what Dragons does, no?

And others too including Mach, ncap, and others. Folks please correct me if I’m wrong. The one exception I can think of is st James. Since they own the pool I think they let others host meets at that facility provided st James gets invited. It’s a nice deal for st James. I imagine there’s a lot of relationship building involved between meet hosts and the facilities they rent for the meets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many kids can be on a swim team supported by a 6 lane indoor pool and an outdoor 25 meter pool with no blocks that also has to have some space reserved for swim lessons and member swim? How can they host a USA swimming meet with just a 6 lane pool? No one is going to want to go to a swim meet that is scm in a pool with no blocks

Is this a real post?

I think this poster is referring to club meets and Tuckahoe being not equipped to host them, which means this new club will be relying on invites to meets run by other clubs.

This is what Dragons does, no?

And others too including Mach, ncap, and others. Folks please correct me if I’m wrong. The one exception I can think of is st James. Since they own the pool I think they let others host meets at that facility provided st James gets invited. It’s a nice deal for st James. I imagine there’s a lot of relationship building involved between meet hosts and the facilities they rent for the meets.

Meet hosts also want more swimmers to come because at the end of the day it’s a business. Clubs pay for each event that a swimmer swims at the meets which then helps increase revenue for the host.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does York swim any of the Machine hosted meets? With PVS hosted meets each month, I doubt it is difficult for any local club to find meets to swim at. And it wouldn’t take driving up to Rockville and RMSC to find them.

Machine is not invited to any York hosted meets and vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many kids can be on a swim team supported by a 6 lane indoor pool and an outdoor 25 meter pool with no blocks that also has to have some space reserved for swim lessons and member swim? How can they host a USA swimming meet with just a 6 lane pool? No one is going to want to go to a swim meet that is scm in a pool with no blocks

Is this a real post?

I think this poster is referring to club meets and Tuckahoe being not equipped to host them, which means this new club will be relying on invites to meets run by other clubs.

This is what Dragons does, no?

As past of PVS they will also (if they grow large enough) be expected to host meets but can do so at Fairland by being responsible for October Open, etc. but that’s way down the road

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does York swim any of the Machine hosted meets? With PVS hosted meets each month, I doubt it is difficult for any local club to find meets to swim at. And it wouldn’t take driving up to Rockville and RMSC to find them.

Machine is not invited to any York hosted meets and vice versa.

This is not true, Machine attends March Madness which is hosted by York as one example.

[Anonymous]

Fwiw if you look at the Jan pvs board of directors minutes there is a proposal for pvs to atop holding opens and just run championship meets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does York swim any of the Machine hosted meets? With PVS hosted meets each month, I doubt it is difficult for any local club to find meets to swim at. And it wouldn’t take driving up to Rockville and RMSC to find them.

Machine is not invited to any York hosted meets and vice versa.

This is not true, Machine attends March Madness which is hosted by York as one example.

York also goes to a Machine meet every long course season.