Elderly woman died after carjacking near WHC in NW this afternoon, SUV crashed

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

When you say "these people" and "more people like her" what type of people do you mean exactly?

I take it to mean people who have no problem pumping their bodies with drugs but do not want to be held accountable for the consequences of the effects of those drugs on behavior.

This. There must be some accountability for god-awful, selfish decisions that result in irreparable harm and death to the community. I do not give a rat's ass what her personal circumstances were. She chose to be a criminal. Why should we accommodate her crap lifestyle choices? This is someone who is incapable of adding value to our communities. Lock her up, and let's hope that harsher criminal punishments will deter future bad actors.

She can try to blame her situation on "mental illness" all she likes but the vast majority of us know this is crap. My SIL has a very serious mental illness. She is not robbing people or murdering anyone. My DH grew up in a war zone under gun and rocket fire. He has never chosen to hurt anyone and lives a quiet life as a professional with a family. I grew up in a largely Hispanic city and neighborhood. Most of my extended family grew up with no money, education and access to very little. The overwhelming majority of my family members are good people with jobs who just try to do their best. I have one cousin in jail. Not because he was a victim of racism or inequities but becuase he is a terrible, a-hole who made bad decisions in life. None of his siblings are in jail so he cannot blame his childhood, family situation, or whatever key factors of victimization have become popular now.

Quit the victim mentality. Criminals have a choice 100%. When they opt to do nothing with their lives and become a danger to society, we need to enforce punishment to the maximum extend of the law.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the USAO dropped the murder charge…she’s only charged with unarmed carjacking.

https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1467765

I think you mean UUV.

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Anonymous wrote:And it turns out the USAO dropped the murder charge…she’s only charged with unarmed carjacking.

https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1467765

WTF - DC sucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

Yes! That's literally exactly what I said!

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Jokes aside, that is not at all what I said and you know it. I said it will be hard to prove that the woman died because of the crash. Now, if a perfectly healthy person not experiencing a medical emergency was carjacked, and the autopsy later concluded they had died as the result of the crash, yes, that would be fairly easy to prove.

You do get that this woman has likely had an autopsy done and if the murder charge was dropped, they couldn't conclude it was homicide?

That being said I do hope this little animal gets the book thrown at her. She may not have murdered this particular woman, but mark my words, if we let her out she will never learn her lesson and go on to murder someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

When you say "these people" and "more people like her" what type of people do you mean exactly?

Stupid drug abusers that develop psychosis from their DIY drug use, then commit violent crimes?

That’s what I mean at least

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold.

But she should have been.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

When you say "these people" and "more people like her" what type of people do you mean exactly?

The kind that meet some rando on Instagram, take whatever drug they are given and end up carjacking and killing someone.

Seems self explanatory.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold.

she SHOULD have been kept on a psych hold. obviously.

Sigh. We don't hold in psych eval because they have high blood pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold.

she SHOULD have been kept on a psych hold. obviously.

Sigh. We don't hold in psych eval because they have high blood pressure.

She wasn't being taken to the hospital for high blood pressure. She was there because she was a dumbass who took bad drugs from a rando. That's why her blood pressure and heart rate spiked.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold.

she SHOULD have been kept on a psych hold. obviously.

Sigh. We don't hold in psych eval because they have high blood pressure.

She wasn't being taken to the hospital for high blood pressure. She was there because she was a dumbass who took bad drugs from a rando. That's why her blood pressure and heart rate spiked.

Incorrect. She was in fact transferred to a medical facility for precisely because of cardiac irregularities (BP, HR, arrhythmia, etc). the underlying reason doesn't matter to EMS. DC paramedics operate under an defined cardiac algorithm

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold.

Did her parents not also say that she had been acting erratically for three days to the paramedics? That should have triggered extra security and a potential psych hold. Are we saying the two things can't happen at the same time? Sounds like a communication breakdown which isn't shocking in a city that gives short shift to mental health. How many people have been attacked/murdered in DC in the past five years by people who should be under a psych hold? Answer - a lot.

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It’s so easy to get away with crime in this city.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so easy to get away with crime in this city.

Exactly.

Paraphrasing DC police as told to local news: “If you steal a car from a person that you think is elderly and kill them, we don’t really think that is a crime, even when the car is crashed into to attorney general’s office building.”

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold.

Did her parents not also say that she had been acting erratically for three days to the paramedics? That should have triggered extra security and a potential psych hold. Are we saying the two things can't happen at the same time? Sounds like a communication breakdown which isn't shocking in a city that gives short shift to mental health. How many people have been attacked/murdered in DC in the past five years by people who should be under a psych hold? Answer - a lot.

The defense attorney just came up with that after the fact.

She’s a murderer. Only an idiot could think otherwise. Or an accomplice.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

When you say "these people" and "more people like her" what type of people do you mean exactly?

The kind that meet some rando on Instagram, take whatever drug they are given and end up carjacking and killing someone.

Seems self explanatory.

Yup.