Elderly woman died after carjacking near WHC in NW this afternoon, SUV crashed

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

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The criminal's family would probably be relieved if she were locked up forever. It would also serve as an example to her younger family members.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

You are a disgusting apologist.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

Do you think this mental illness was brought on by the medication from the unlicensed pharmacist she met online?

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

.

NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

Do you think this mental illness was brought on by the medication from the unlicensed pharmacist she met online?

Neither you nor I have any idea what mental illness she has or doesn't have. Let's get real.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

22 is also a prime age for loser drug abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold.

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Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are confusing "having reasonable doubts about when the victim died" with "thinking that the criminal should go free."

I don't think Kenisha Brown should go free. I think she should be in jail. She carjacked someone. Unfortunately, judges in DC are soft on crime and have made clear that they don't jail people for carjacking.

Now, do I think murder is a horrible crime? Yes. Do I think someone convicted of a murder should face the strongest consequence possible? Also yes.

Do I think it's fair to say that there's some reasonable doubt that Kenisha Brown killed this woman? Again, yes.

She is not a victim and we don't need to be "compassionate" to her mental health as some would suggest. (hell, her mental health is fine, she didn't have a psychiatric episode SHE WAS ON DRUGS) But it is not an automatic that she is the reason someone died, when that someone was being driven to the hospital for a medical emergency.

Make sense?

So, people in hospital parking lots are fair game if you want to murder someone because they might be experiencing a medical issue? Noted.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

When you say "these people" and "more people like her" what type of people do you mean exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

yes. unfortunately two failed progressive reforms (mental health involuntary committment and crime prevention) collided here.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

When you say "these people" and "more people like her" what type of people do you mean exactly?

I take it to mean people who have no problem pumping their bodies with drugs but do not want to be held accountable for the consequences of the effects of those drugs on behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old!
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868

I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts?

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster? What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?

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NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities. ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model.

This. She needs help, not a cage.

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law.
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life.

+1 well said. She's had enough chances. When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life. She failed herself. If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better. Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others. They did the right thing. What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems. Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest. There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around. What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end? She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others. Do I release her from responsibility? No. But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better. Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out. We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds. That's just reality.

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold.

she SHOULD have been kept on a psych hold. obviously.

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And it turns out the USAO dropped the murder charge…she’s only charged with unarmed carjacking.

https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1467765