2023 Election Day Results Thread

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

Mother Jones and the Nation are basically the totality of the liberal media, at least in traditional outlets. I like Heather Cox Richardson and think she’s brilliant but unless that one PP who quotes her does so, I generally don’t think of her.

Go look for yourself and really think it through. Trump’s speeches were carried in their entirety in 2016. Every single one of his crimes/scandals/awful quotes/bad executive orders was treated to a one day, breathless flurry of press and then it was dropped unless something happened that was directly relevant to it. Meanwhile the media was dogged in their pursuit of BUTTEREMAILS, as they were in pursuit of BENGHAZI11!. The infamous laptop thing with Anthony Weiner made it above the fold, practically in declaration of war size font.

The New York Times notoriously (but also actually) gets the “man on the street” interviews almost exclusively with Republicans and when they speak to “Democrats” who are always upset with the Democrats, they are often speaking to activists in the GOP. That takes purpose. That takes intent.

All the major news outlets use the GOP framing as the language within which the news is presented. Washington Post has softened its language on abortion bans, for example, after repeated working of the refs by the GOP. No one called Trump a liar and a cheat even when he was, but they hastened to praise him, and when he managed not to poop the bed, “this is the day Trump became presidential.” No, no he did not. Literally every news story about something happening under Biden, bad, good or exceptional, is treated to “here’s why that’s bad for Democrats.”

Yes, the media is working on behalf of the GOP. If you have examples to the contrary, post them in the RW vs LW media thread, because I’m not backing down on this. The media is corporate owned. Corporations are now people thanks to the potted plant Roberts and the rest of his activist judges. They want no regulations and no taxes and only party will give them that; that is who they are working to elect.

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

Mother Jones and the Nation are basically the totality of the liberal media, at least in traditional outlets. I like Heather Cox Richardson and think she’s brilliant but unless that one PP who quotes her does so, I generally don’t think of her.

Go look for yourself and really think it through. Trump’s speeches were carried in their entirety in 2016. Every single one of his crimes/scandals/awful quotes/bad executive orders was treated to a one day, breathless flurry of press and then it was dropped unless something happened that was directly relevant to it. Meanwhile the media was dogged in their pursuit of BUTTEREMAILS, as they were in pursuit of BENGHAZI11!. The infamous laptop thing with Anthony Weiner made it above the fold, practically in declaration of war size font.

The New York Times notoriously (but also actually) gets the “man on the street” interviews almost exclusively with Republicans and when they speak to “Democrats” who are always upset with the Democrats, they are often speaking to activists in the GOP. That takes purpose. That takes intent.

All the major news outlets use the GOP framing as the language within which the news is presented. Washington Post has softened its language on abortion bans, for example, after repeated working of the refs by the GOP. No one called Trump a liar and a cheat even when he was, but they hastened to praise him, and when he managed not to poop the bed, “this is the day Trump became presidential.” No, no he did not. Literally every news story about something happening under Biden, bad, good or exceptional, is treated to “here’s why that’s bad for Democrats.”

Yes, the media is working on behalf of the GOP. If you have examples to the contrary, post them in the RW vs LW media thread, because I’m not backing down on this. The media is corporate owned. Corporations are now people thanks to the potted plant Roberts and the rest of his activist judges. They want no regulations and no taxes and only party will give them that; that is who they are working to elect.

You have good examples. But I think it’s really that Trump and MAGA provides a lot of click bait, which drives ad revenue.

It’s the social media business model. Interview the nutcase, open up the comments section, and let the site visits explode.

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I don’t think the media is GOP. There may be a tension between reporters who tend to be very progressive and owners who are wealthy and tend to be conservative (or at minimum dedicated to anything that preserves their wealth). But I don’t think it’s anything other than blind to claim that the media is GOP. It’s just not.

What I do think is that media is deeply misogynist and that is common across both reporters and owners. Hence all the media surprise at abortion still being an issue for voters. 🙄

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Biberaj not conceding.

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Borowitz Report

Furious Ohio Republicans Report Widespread Incidents of Women Voting
“Many of our poll workers spotted women going into voting booths and literally casting votes,” a G.O.P. operative in Lake County said.


https://link.newyorker.com/click/33299176.161042/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubmV3eW9ya2VyLmNvbS9odW1vci9ib3Jvd2l0ei1yZXBvcnQvZnVyaW91cy1vaGlvLXJlcHVibGljYW5zLXJlcG9ydC13aWRlc3ByZWFkLWluY2lkZW50cy1vZi13b21lbi12b3Rpbmc_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1ubCZ1dG1fYnJhbmQ9dG55JnV0bV9tYWlsaW5nPVROWV9Cb3Jvd2l0el8xMTA4MjAyMyZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249YXVkLWRldiZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJmJ4aWQ9NWJlOWUwZTMyNGMxN2M2YWRmNWY2Nzg0JmNuZGlkPTI5MTM5ODU2Jmhhc2hhPTljMDg0NDEwZDY2N2I5NTM2NzZlYzIzNGYyMGIxZWU3Jmhhc2hiPTIyOGY4ODYyNTQ5ZTk1YmNjN2IzZTgzODNiMzUzODZkYjkxZjEyY2EmaGFzaGM9NGYyZDZhMDk0ODExOWZjZGJjMTljMTJiN2ZlZjlhM2Q5MDVjMTU0NmRjOGIzZmM0Yjk3Zjg5YTA1MzBhYmIxYSZlc3JjPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJzLWZvcm0tc2ln/5be9e0e324c17c6adf5f6784C9f0c15bd

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The Democrats won their fifth straight special election in the New Hampshire House and are now one seat shy of tying it up.

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Trump is a lose, bigly.

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to win your home state to be president. I just hope Glen still runs

Which President lost their home state and won the presidency?

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

You can’t deny that most of the major outlets are carrying water for Trump/MAGA.

I don't think they are carrying water. I think the thing is that the D position is treated as the insider position - more closely scrutinized and picked apart, the way you do with your family more than with strangers. Rs are still treated like interesting oddities - covered more as feature subjects than anything else. I think it's just really actually da** hard to cover the Republican party - because they are SO weird, and SO unappealing, and full of such bizarre characters. It's almost just hard to believe that this is an actual group of people who hold 50% of hte offices in America! Like what do you even SAY about them?

But I do think that the media is doing a decent job covering the loss of abortion rights, and some other stuff. And they may be down on Ds in every article - but I think some of that is because these doom and gloom articles speak to OUR team's mood and concerns.

I don't think by and large they are - or mean to - carrying water for the Rs. Anyway, last night shows that even if they are, it doesn't really work (at least not all the time).

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Anonymous wrote:Total turnout in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court race is already 3.1 million. It was 2.8 million in 2021 and 2.1 million in 2017. Democrats swept all of the court races and Dan McCaffery won the open Supreme Court seat. Margin currently six points.

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/

"And here's why that's bad news for Joe Biden"

The Biden campaign should really put this phrase on a coffee mug or bumper sticker.

My siblings and I still use “thanks, Obama” as a nonsense joke when literally anything happens.

Me too!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the media is GOP. There may be a tension between reporters who tend to be very progressive and owners who are wealthy and tend to be conservative (or at minimum dedicated to anything that preserves their wealth). But I don’t think it’s anything other than blind to claim that the media is GOP. It’s just not.

What I do think is that media is deeply misogynist and that is common across both reporters and owners. Hence all the media surprise at abortion still being an issue for voters. 🙄

This has been tripe for a long time. Reporters come in all shades of political colors. Most of them are not progressives at all and the really good ones, you have no idea where they actually fall. But those days are over now with the 24 hours news cycle and the transformation of cable "news" to pundits and talking heads almost the entire time. Actual reporting is basically gone.

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to win your home state to be president. I just hope Glen still runs

Which President lost their home state and won the presidency?

Trump, for one.

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

Mother Jones and the Nation are basically the totality of the liberal media, at least in traditional outlets. I like Heather Cox Richardson and think she’s brilliant but unless that one PP who quotes her does so, I generally don’t think of her.

Go look for yourself and really think it through. Trump’s speeches were carried in their entirety in 2016. Every single one of his crimes/scandals/awful quotes/bad executive orders was treated to a one day, breathless flurry of press and then it was dropped unless something happened that was directly relevant to it. Meanwhile the media was dogged in their pursuit of BUTTEREMAILS, as they were in pursuit of BENGHAZI11!. The infamous laptop thing with Anthony Weiner made it above the fold, practically in declaration of war size font.

The New York Times notoriously (but also actually) gets the “man on the street” interviews almost exclusively with Republicans and when they speak to “Democrats” who are always upset with the Democrats, they are often speaking to activists in the GOP. That takes purpose. That takes intent.

All the major news outlets use the GOP framing as the language within which the news is presented. Washington Post has softened its language on abortion bans, for example, after repeated working of the refs by the GOP. No one called Trump a liar and a cheat even when he was, but they hastened to praise him, and when he managed not to poop the bed, “this is the day Trump became presidential.” No, no he did not. Literally every news story about something happening under Biden, bad, good or exceptional, is treated to “here’s why that’s bad for Democrats.”

Yes, the media is working on behalf of the GOP. If you have examples to the contrary, post them in the RW vs LW media thread, because I’m not backing down on this. The media is corporate owned. Corporations are now people thanks to the potted plant Roberts and the rest of his activist judges. They want no regulations and no taxes and only party will give them that; that is who they are working to elect.

You have good examples. But I think it’s really that Trump and MAGA provides a lot of click bait, which drives ad revenue.

It’s the social media business model. Interview the nutcase, open up the comments section, and let the site visits explode.

And if it drive the narrative that the GOP wants, that’s just ducky?

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to win your home state to be president. I just hope Glen still runs

Which President lost their home state and won the presidency?

Trump, for one.

Trump won Florida. He is not a New Yorker. They (understandably) hate him.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the media is GOP. There may be a tension between reporters who tend to be very progressive and owners who are wealthy and tend to be conservative (or at minimum dedicated to anything that preserves their wealth). But I don’t think it’s anything other than blind to claim that the media is GOP. It’s just not.

What I do think is that media is deeply misogynist and that is common across both reporters and owners. Hence all the media surprise at abortion still being an issue for voters. 🙄

You have a point.