Thomas Jefferson High School drops to 5th in latest US News ranking

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

FCPS can do that in a fair, moral, and more productive way.
For examples:
- Additional programs to help URM students (free tutoring, music lessons, extracurricular classes)
- Build more STEM schools
- Encourage URM kids to STEM activities starting from Pre-K

Taking seats away from applicants with higher credentials is wrong.

Nobody is entitled to a seat at TJ. There are way more qualified applicants than there are seats.

Stop lying.
The sole purpose of adjusting the admission is to achieve diversity.
You even feel shame to admit the fact.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Stop lying.
The sole purpose of adjusting the admission is to achieve diversity.
You even feel shame to admit the fact.

No one is saying anything any different. There is inherent value in diversity in educational environments - ESPECIALLY in high-academic educational environments. That includes diversity among racial, experiential, and socioeconomic axes.

No one feels shame in stating that fact and no one is "admitting" to anything because there's no crime or bad action to feel bad for.

Those of us who are reasonable understand that there are still tweaks to be made to ensure that we're getting the right students from each school both to apply for admission and to eventually be selected, but the new process represents an enormous step in the right direction.

And we're not ashamed of any of it.

It is scary to see people saying shameful idea without any shame. Stop trying to justify racism against Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

You are the one fixated on race. The % of Asian students admitted for class of 2025 is higher than it was for class of 2013 (and prior).

The goal was to increase representation from across the area. Asian students still make up the large majority of the school. And the "feeder schools" continue to have an over-sized representation at TJ.

The biggest decrease was actually for private school students (-56%).

No discrimination.

Asian American students STILL make up the large majority? STILL? Their representation has gone down by 20% of total, and they should be expected to acquiesce to this apparent racial suppression?

Consider the outrage that would arise if a racist school board targeted a basketball team composed of 75% black students, reduced their representation to 51%, and then claimed they should be content with still being the majority.

Of course. They cry when white people discriminate against them. It is Ok for them to discriminate against everyone.
Only Black Lives Matter, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

What Justice Roberts describes is not a “pernicious stereotype”. It is a reality that sadly centers around the fact that the experience of Black, Hispanic, and poor Americans is fundamentally different in America - just as it is in many ways for Asians - solely because of the color of their skin.

That will continue to be the case until we actually treat folks in those underrepresented groups with the same dignity and respect as everyone else AS A SOCIETY.

If we want it to no longer be the case that “a Black person can offer something that a white person cannot offer”…

… a good place to start would be to stop spewing this nonsense that Black kids are too lazy, or that Black families don’t care about education, and on and on and on.

The kids at TJ are learning this by being exposed to academically motivated kids from those cultures - probably for the first time in their lives.

If Black people really love diversity, why do they physically attack Asians all over the country?

They don't. You're going to have to cite a credible news source or study to suggest that Black people physically attack Asians all over the country.

You're trying to justify the fact that you hate them and think less of them and it's ugly.

Yes, they did attack the Asian community and discriminate against Asian basketball players.
You just turn your head away when it comes to those issues.

There are many incidents. Just a few below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1bmpZKTEg
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeremy-lin-asian-american-attacks-racism/

When vicious school board members maliciously conspire to significantly diminish the enrollment of Asian American students within a visible STEM school, it becomes a blatant endorsement and permission for the public to belittle Asian Americans by suggesting they are unwelcome in large numbers at FCPS schools. This toxic message paves the way for hateful individuals to act upon it, exemplified by incidents such as these attack witnessed in broad daylight. Ofcourse these specific incidents didnt happen here in Nova, but can human hatred knows no state or zip code limitations. When school system openly says there are too many of here, how can Asian American students feel they belong here?

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

What Justice Roberts describes is not a “pernicious stereotype”. It is a reality that sadly centers around the fact that the experience of Black, Hispanic, and poor Americans is fundamentally different in America - just as it is in many ways for Asians - solely because of the color of their skin.

That will continue to be the case until we actually treat folks in those underrepresented groups with the same dignity and respect as everyone else AS A SOCIETY.

If we want it to no longer be the case that “a Black person can offer something that a white person cannot offer”…

… a good place to start would be to stop spewing this nonsense that Black kids are too lazy, or that Black families don’t care about education, and on and on and on.


The kids at TJ are learning this by being exposed to academically motivated kids from those cultures - probably for the first time in their lives.

If Black people really love diversity, why do they physically attack Asians all over the country?

They don't. You're going to have to cite a credible news source or study to suggest that Black people physically attack Asians all over the country.

You're trying to justify the fact that you hate them and think less of them and it's ugly.

Yes, they did attack the Asian community and discriminate against Asian basketball players.
You just turn your head away when it comes to those issues.

There are many incidents. Just a few below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1bmpZKTEg
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeremy-lin-asian-american-attacks-racism/

When vicious school board members maliciously conspire to significantly diminish the enrollment of Asian American students within a visible STEM school, it becomes a blatant endorsement and permission for the public to belittle Asian Americans by suggesting they are unwelcome in large numbers at FCPS schools. This toxic message paves the way for hateful individuals to act upon it, exemplified by incidents such as these attack witnessed in broad daylight. Ofcourse these specific incidents didnt happen here in Nova, but can human hatred knows no state or zip code limitations. When school system openly says there are too many of here, how can Asian American students feel they belong here?

100% agree

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

What Justice Roberts describes is not a “pernicious stereotype”. It is a reality that sadly centers around the fact that the experience of Black, Hispanic, and poor Americans is fundamentally different in America - just as it is in many ways for Asians - solely because of the color of their skin.

That will continue to be the case until we actually treat folks in those underrepresented groups with the same dignity and respect as everyone else AS A SOCIETY.

If we want it to no longer be the case that “a Black person can offer something that a white person cannot offer”…

… a good place to start would be to stop spewing this nonsense that Black kids are too lazy, or that Black families don’t care about education, and on and on and on.

The kids at TJ are learning this by being exposed to academically motivated kids from those cultures - probably for the first time in their lives.

If Black people really love diversity, why do they physically attack Asians all over the country?

They don't. You're going to have to cite a credible news source or study to suggest that Black people physically attack Asians all over the country.

You're trying to justify the fact that you hate them and think less of them and it's ugly.

Yes, they did attack the Asian community and discriminate against Asian basketball players.
You just turn your head away when it comes to those issues.

There are many incidents. Just a few below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1bmpZKTEg
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeremy-lin-asian-american-attacks-racism/

When vicious school board members maliciously conspire to significantly diminish the enrollment of Asian American students within a visible STEM school, it becomes a blatant endorsement and permission for the public to belittle Asian Americans by suggesting they are unwelcome in large numbers at FCPS schools. This toxic message paves the way for hateful individuals to act upon it, exemplified by incidents such as these attack witnessed in broad daylight. Ofcourse these specific incidents didnt happen here in Nova, but can human hatred knows no state or zip code limitations. When school system openly says there are too many of here, how can Asian American students feel they belong here?

FCPS lacks transparency in the admission process. Using a subjective holistic process just makes it worse.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

But a high ranking is the goal. To the parents.
The fact that their child's education is excellent, that US News rankings don't really matter and that the article says there's little difference between 5th and 1st doesn't matter.
The rankings matter so the parents can feel superior.

And this is why TJ is such a healthier place now - they've begun replacing the parents. The kids selected by the old process have never been the problem.

How's TJ healthier now? Why suppressing the parents (the tax payers) is a good thing?

The focus is moving away from prestige and individualism and in the direction of a complete education that prepares students to collaborate with a 21st century population.

So, implementing discrimination and parent suppression would achieve that. Wow

Race is not considered during the admissions process.

And Asians have the highest rate and number of admissions. So...

No discrimination.

Don't lie. The main reason to keep changing the admission process is to engineer the racial demographic

Nope. It was to provide opportunities to kids from ALL middle schools.

You cannot get free rides all the time. At some point in your life you have to work hard to get ahead.

Nobody here is getting a “free ride”. Kids are all working hard. Now, hard working kids from more MSs have access to TJ. It’s a good thing.

You deny it because you feel shame to accept the reality.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Source/ any data to support your comment?
Why do you need quota then?
Why not compete fairly with others?

All kids met GPA/course criteria. These kids have higher GPAs, on average, than before the change.

Then why there are quotas in the system?
You still don't want to admit the reality.

There aren’t race-based quotas. There are seats open to all MSs - if and only if they have qualified applicants.

Come on. Each locality has a certain demographic composition. FCPS just masks their race-based intent.
You can't be that naive, right?

The biggest change was better representation of kids from low-income families. Prior to the change, kids from economically-disadvantaged families were <1% of the class.

Also, the # of women admitted (for class of 2025) increased more than any other group.

FCPS can do that in a fair, moral, and more productive way.
For examples:
- Additional programs to help URM students (free tutoring, music lessons, extracurricular classes)
- Build more STEM schools
- Encourage URM kids to STEM activities starting from Pre-K

Taking seats away from applicants with higher credentials is wrong.

Nobody is entitled to a seat at TJ. There are way more qualified applicants than there are seats.

Stop lying.
The sole purpose of adjusting the admission is to achieve diversity.
You even feel shame to admit the fact.

There is no shame that hard-working, well-qualified kids from more MSs now have access to TJ.

Stop lying.
The sole purpose of adjusting the admission is to achieve diversity.
You even feel shame to admit the fact.

No one is saying anything any different. There is inherent value in diversity in educational environments - ESPECIALLY in high-academic educational environments. That includes diversity among racial, experiential, and socioeconomic axes.

No one feels shame in stating that fact and no one is "admitting" to anything because there's no crime or bad action to feel bad for.

Those of us who are reasonable understand that there are still tweaks to be made to ensure that we're getting the right students from each school both to apply for admission and to eventually be selected, but the new process represents an enormous step in the right direction.

And we're not ashamed of any of it.

It is scary to see people saying shameful idea without any shame. Stop trying to justify racism against Asian.

There is no racism against Asians in the TJ application process. They are still applying and being admitted at higher rates and numbers than everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

What Justice Roberts describes is not a “pernicious stereotype”. It is a reality that sadly centers around the fact that the experience of Black, Hispanic, and poor Americans is fundamentally different in America - just as it is in many ways for Asians - solely because of the color of their skin.

That will continue to be the case until we actually treat folks in those underrepresented groups with the same dignity and respect as everyone else AS A SOCIETY.

If we want it to no longer be the case that “a Black person can offer something that a white person cannot offer”…

… a good place to start would be to stop spewing this nonsense that Black kids are too lazy, or that Black families don’t care about education, and on and on and on.

The kids at TJ are learning this by being exposed to academically motivated kids from those cultures - probably for the first time in their lives.

If Black people really love diversity, why do they physically attack Asians all over the country?

They don't. You're going to have to cite a credible news source or study to suggest that Black people physically attack Asians all over the country.

You're trying to justify the fact that you hate them and think less of them and it's ugly.

Yes, they did attack the Asian community and discriminate against Asian basketball players.
You just turn your head away when it comes to those issues.

There are many incidents. Just a few below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1bmpZKTEg
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeremy-lin-asian-american-attacks-racism/

When vicious school board members maliciously conspire to significantly diminish the enrollment of Asian American students within a visible STEM school, it becomes a blatant endorsement and permission for the public to belittle Asian Americans by suggesting they are unwelcome in large numbers at FCPS schools. This toxic message paves the way for hateful individuals to act upon it, exemplified by incidents such as these attack witnessed in broad daylight. Ofcourse these specific incidents didnt happen here in Nova, but can human hatred knows no state or zip code limitations. When school system openly says there are too many of here, how can Asian American students feel they belong here?

How can Asian American students feel like they belong at TJ? Well, they make up the majority of students so I'm guessing they feel pretty comfortable there. And they are admitted at a higher rate than everyone else. So...

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

What Justice Roberts describes is not a “pernicious stereotype”. It is a reality that sadly centers around the fact that the experience of Black, Hispanic, and poor Americans is fundamentally different in America - just as it is in many ways for Asians - solely because of the color of their skin.

That will continue to be the case until we actually treat folks in those underrepresented groups with the same dignity and respect as everyone else AS A SOCIETY.

If we want it to no longer be the case that “a Black person can offer something that a white person cannot offer”…

… a good place to start would be to stop spewing this nonsense that Black kids are too lazy, or that Black families don’t care about education, and on and on and on.

The kids at TJ are learning this by being exposed to academically motivated kids from those cultures - probably for the first time in their lives.

If Black people really love diversity, why do they physically attack Asians all over the country?

They don't. You're going to have to cite a credible news source or study to suggest that Black people physically attack Asians all over the country.

You're trying to justify the fact that you hate them and think less of them and it's ugly.

Yes, they did attack the Asian community and discriminate against Asian basketball players.
You just turn your head away when it comes to those issues.

There are many incidents. Just a few below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1bmpZKTEg
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeremy-lin-asian-american-attacks-racism/

When vicious school board members maliciously conspire to significantly diminish the enrollment of Asian American students within a visible STEM school, it becomes a blatant endorsement and permission for the public to belittle Asian Americans by suggesting they are unwelcome in large numbers at FCPS schools. This toxic message paves the way for hateful individuals to act upon it, exemplified by incidents such as these attack witnessed in broad daylight. Ofcourse these specific incidents didnt happen here in Nova, but can human hatred knows no state or zip code limitations. When school system openly says there are too many of here, how can Asian American students feel they belong here?

The current School Board has some pretty horrible White and Black members who often seemed to dislike each other but found common ground in bashing high-achieving Asian kids and their families while claiming they just wanted “equity.” It was scary to see just how lacking in principles or integrity they are.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

They are Asians. They’re from the western part of Asia. What is complicated?

I googled Abrar Omeish and her dad was born in Libya which is in Africa. My husband is Israeli. Should my kids also be checking Asian on forms? We have never considered doing so.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

DP. Lots of admissions data here if you aren't familiar with it:
https://fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

Let us know if you need help analyzing it. We've done this extensively on earlier threads.

Asian % reduced from 73% (Class of 2024) to 54% (Class of 2025) seems suspicious. There must be serious social-engineering by the admission process or the admission staff.
Unless you believe the Asian kids just suddenly lost interest in studying.
You also mentioned, "There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised"
I disagree. The fact that they still teach geometry in 9th grade is hilarious for a gifted STEM school.

There were fluctuations before this. From class of 2021 to 2022 there was a drop from 75% to 65% of admitted Asian students.

Plenty of gifted STEM kids take geometry in 9th.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

They are Asians. They’re from the western part of Asia. What is complicated?

I googled Abrar Omeish and her dad was born in Libya which is in Africa. My husband is Israeli. Should my kids also be checking Asian on forms? We have never considered doing so.

They should eliminate that block.
I wonder if I can check "African". There is a theory saying that it is the origin of Humans.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazingly, so many people in this forum believe discrimination and war on meritocracy are good for our country.

It’s not discrimination.

Not race based and Asians have the highest number and rate of admission.

It is discrimination. You can not based on race to reject applicants, regardless of the situation.

Not discrimination.

Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

It is wrong. The race-based admission process is unethical.

Chief Justice John Roberts wrote: "Many universities have for too long wrongly concluded that the touchstone of an individual's identity is not challenges bested, skills built, or lessons learned, but the color of their skin."

It wis not race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Stop just paste and copy

Stop posting lies.

You are a pathetic liar, panhandler

Sorry, the truth can be a bitter pill to swallow.

The current admissions process is NOT race-based.

And Asians students have the highest number of admits and the highest rate of admission.

No discrimination.

Why is anyone so fixated on Asian Student number if not with a racial bias? Does the all black high school basketball or all white ice hockey team bother anyone aside from those with racist views?

There was a concentrated ant-asian american effort that has taken place behind the scenes, to bring down average number for asian americans admitted per year for decades. Without a deliberate and covert endeavor targeting this specific race, how else could have the Asian american students admissions gone down abruptly in one year when the number of Asian American student applications has stayed consistently at or above 60% of total?

This is false. The population of Asian-American students at TJ dropped with the Class of 2025 for a similar reason to why the male student population at UVA decreased in 1971. The prior admissions process excluded a certain group, and as a result (but not as an intended cause) the dominant majority group reduced in size.

Incoming classes used to hover around approximately 70% Asian (80% when you include multi-racial students, most of whom were at least half Asian). They also used to hover around 1% students from disadvantaged economic backgrounds. The group of Asian students was increasingly dominated by South Asians, who are by some distance the wealthiest demographic in Northern Virginia. Meanwhile, Black and Hispanic students are among the least wealthy demographics.

Opening up admission to TJ to students and families with lesser means - it was de facto closed to them before - is a noble goal no matter what anyone says. That's one of those things where if you disagree with it, you're not someone to be taken seriously.

You have absolutely no evidence to suggest that a goal of the admissions changes was to reduce the number or proportion of Asian students. You just don't. What some people have is a few text messages and e-mails among School Board members who were concerned with the public perception of an admissions process proposal that they voted down, and criticism of the messaging being done by a Superintendent who has since resigned.

There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised by the admission of a slightly different mix of the group of qualified students that has always existed for selection. And again, you have zero evidence to the contrary.

Can you show us some proof? Rather than mumbling around the issue.

Proof of what? If someone is claiming that something is happening - the educational quality is being compromised somehow - the burden of proof is on them. It is illogical to attempt to prove a negative.

Okay, I understand. Only you can put out statistics from your ass.

What statistic is troubling you?

All the numbers you mentioned. Do you have references for them? Did you just make them up?

DP. Lots of admissions data here if you aren't familiar with it:
https://fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

Let us know if you need help analyzing it. We've done this extensively on earlier threads.

Asian % reduced from 73% (Class of 2024) to 54% (Class of 2025) seems suspicious. There must be serious social-engineering by the admission process or the admission staff.
Unless you believe the Asian kids just suddenly lost interest in studying.
You also mentioned, "There is no aspect of the TJ education that has been compromised"
I disagree. The fact that they still teach geometry in 9th grade is hilarious for a gifted STEM school.

There were fluctuations before this. From class of 2021 to 2022 there was a drop from 75% to 65% of admitted Asian students.

Plenty of gifted STEM kids take geometry in 9th.

That can't be "plenty". Stop lying to cover up some of the incoming 9th graders who need help with Math.

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Roberts wrote: "Harvard's admissions process rests on the pernicious stereotype that 'a black student can usually bring something that a white person cannot offer.'"

How does diversity help in a STEM school likes TJ? I think it is irrelevant.
Do students from different races see Navier-Stokes equations differently?

What Justice Roberts describes is not a “pernicious stereotype”. It is a reality that sadly centers around the fact that the experience of Black, Hispanic, and poor Americans is fundamentally different in America - just as it is in many ways for Asians - solely because of the color of their skin.

That will continue to be the case until we actually treat folks in those underrepresented groups with the same dignity and respect as everyone else AS A SOCIETY.

If we want it to no longer be the case that “a Black person can offer something that a white person cannot offer”…

… a good place to start would be to stop spewing this nonsense that Black kids are too lazy, or that Black families don’t care about education, and on and on and on.

The kids at TJ are learning this by being exposed to academically motivated kids from those cultures - probably for the first time in their lives.

If Black people really love diversity, why do they physically attack Asians all over the country?

They don't. You're going to have to cite a credible news source or study to suggest that Black people physically attack Asians all over the country.

You're trying to justify the fact that you hate them and think less of them and it's ugly.

Yes, they did attack the Asian community and discriminate against Asian basketball players.
You just turn your head away when it comes to those issues.

There are many incidents. Just a few below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1bmpZKTEg
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeremy-lin-asian-american-attacks-racism/

When vicious school board members maliciously conspire to significantly diminish the enrollment of Asian American students within a visible STEM school, it becomes a blatant endorsement and permission for the public to belittle Asian Americans by suggesting they are unwelcome in large numbers at FCPS schools. This toxic message paves the way for hateful individuals to act upon it, exemplified by incidents such as these attack witnessed in broad daylight. Ofcourse these specific incidents didnt happen here in Nova, but can human hatred knows no state or zip code limitations. When school system openly says there are too many of here, how can Asian American students feel they belong here?

Couldn't have put it better. When school officials insinuate that there is an excessive presence of Asian Americans, it's outright racism. Then taking actions to curtail the percentage of Asian american kids in admissions removes any doubt in their discriminatory practice. Considering Martin Luther King Jr.'s commitment to justice and equality, if he were alive today he would strongly condemn such actions and slapped each board members for misusing his words and committing these loathful acts against school students just because of their race.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter when the rankings were made. People have already said TJ's scores will go down because they are no longer selecting for students who do well on tests. A high ranking is not the goal.

However, scores might go up, since someone posted above that the scores are compared to the expectations based on the racial makeup of the school. With more blacks and Hispanics, who will presumably outperform the typical black and Hispanic student. the test rankings might go up.

Sure, let's just ignore the fact that Asian American students with stronger merit credentials were denied admission. No racial manipulation of outcomes going on here.

I guess the school board members are not Asians. No equality there.

Rachna Sizemore Heiser (South Asian American) and Abrar Omeish (West Asian American) would disagree. And they represent the entire county as At-Large members.

I have never heard of West Asian American being used to describe Arabs. Did you make that up? Genuinely curious.

They are Asians. They’re from the western part of Asia. What is complicated?

I googled Abrar Omeish and her dad was born in Libya which is in Africa. My husband is Israeli. Should my kids also be checking Asian on forms? We have never considered doing so.

If you want to lessen their chances of getting into a top college, you should.

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If Asians are the majority and TJ is falling, I would think the Asians are to blame.