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Do conservatives want to ban transgenderism for the same reasons they want to ban abortion?
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Anonymous
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I haven’t really been following this trans stuff very closely. I’m not conservative, I’m an Atheist Biden voter. But this thread and the links shared are totally off the rails. Everyone kept saying that gender surgery on kids isn’t happening.
But these links clearly show surgery on kids IS happening! And people making false associations this is happening because of gun violence and catholic sex abuse? Women are being raped by males in prison? Completely different protocols for care than in Europe? Why don’t I ever hear about these things in the news? Something is not adding up. |
Anonymous
I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them. Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out. |
Anonymous
The effects of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones have many damaging effects on the body. The truth is every cell in your body is programed with either XY or XX chromosomes and is designed to receive certain hormones. It's only common sense that disrupting this balance in the body can have detrimental effects....Dramatic increase risk of heart attack, stroke, osteoporosis, premature death etc. There are stories of kids who experienced bone fractures after being put on puberty blockers due to the osteoporosis. Testosterone can cause uterine atrophy and in some cases will require a hysterectomy down the road. I also suspect we will see transmen with much higher rates of dementia at a young age because estrogen is a protective factor. Testosterone will also cause bladder changes in females. A doctor once said their 20 year old patient had a bladder of an 80 year old woman due to these effects. Puberty is an essential part of the development especially the brain. By taking puberty blockers this brain development does not happen. Lower IQ and other effects will be permanent. Puberty blockers will also lead to immature genitalia so if they decide to undergo SRS down the road there won't be enough penile tissue to work with. This is what happened in Jazz Jennings case. It can also lead to the inability to ever experience an orgasm. So please tell me how a child can possibly consent to all of this and all of the other unknowns regarding this treatment since we don't have the longterm studies yet? And how can a child consent to losing the ability to experience sexual pleasure and the ability to have children? |
Anonymous
Research has shown older trans adults have a higher risk of dementia and this number will only grow in time and will probably start affecting people at younger ages. With dementia some of these individuals forget they transitioned and will go back to identifying with their birth sex. They may be alarmed and distressed by their bodies and will keep asking who cut off their penis, and why, if they have had that surgery. They don't understand why they would have been thought of as female. |
Anonymous
Why do you always leave out the intersex community when making these pronouncements? |
Anonymous
Intersex individuals have a DSD (disorder of sexual development). Transgender individuals are not intersex although they like to co-opt their medical condition. "Assigned at birth" is one example of something they co-opted from them and the intersex community has spoken out about how they do not want to be included in debates regarding transgender people. |
Anonymous
NP. The regular media does not report on this. It’s against the narrative. And no, I’m not some rabid Fox News watcher. A few years ago, I started following feminist websites which link to articles in Canadian and European news, and this stuff is finally starting to come to light. There is definitely a violent subset of criminals that use these new self-ID laws to gain access to women. Politicians don’t care, because no one cares about women’s safety. And those who support trans rights don’t want it reported, because it colors all trans people and renders them suspect. So we’re in this weird area where no one knows how to respectfully treat trans people without compromising the safety of women. |
Anonymous
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Not that people's opinions are generally based on evidence, but:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/political-minds/202201/the-evidence-trans-youth-gender-affirming-medical-care Study 1: Puberty blockers. Study participants had improvements in depression and global functioning following treatment. However, feelings of anxiety and anger, gender dysphoria, and body satisfaction did not change. Study 2: Puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and surgery. Psychological functioning steadily improved over the course of the study and by adulthood these now young adults had global functioning scores similar to or better than age-matched peers in the general population. Study 3: Puberty blockers + therapy versus therapy alone. Both groups saw improvement in mental health. While the pubertal suppression group had a 5-point higher mean score on the study's psychological functioning scale at the end of the study, the difference was not statistically significant. Study 4: Hormone therapy. Statistically significant increases in general well-being and a statistically significant decrease in suicidality. Study 5: Hormone therapy. Statistically significant decreases in need for specialist level psychiatric treatment for depression (decreased from 54% to 15%), anxiety (decreased from 48% to 15%), and suicidality or self-harm (decreased from 35% to 4%) following treatment. Study 6: Hormone therapy. Transgender adolescents at baseline had worse measures of mental health than the cisgender control adolescents but that this difference equalized by the end of the study. The transgender adolescents in the study who received gender-affirming hormones had statistically significant improvements in several mental health measures, including anxiety and depression. Study 7: Puberty blockers. They found those who received pubertal suppression had better mental health outcomes than those who did not receive pubertal suppression. However, because subjects received psychotherapy, the authors note that the study does not provide "direct evidence" that pubertal suppression improves mental health in transgender youth. Study 8: Puberty blockers and hormone therapy. Over the course of the study, 23 received pubertal suppression only, 35 received gender-affirming hormones only, and 11 received both. Three participants received no gender-affirming medical interventions. Over the course of the study, there was a statistically significant decrease in depression scores in one group: Male-to-female transitioners who underwent puberty suppression only. Study 9: Puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and surgery. The researchers followed 148 transgender adolescents who were receiving gender-affirming medical treatment. 25 received pubertal suppression only, 93 received gender-affirming hormones (estrogen or testosterone) only, and 30 received both. 15 participants received gender-affirming chest surgery. When examining all participants together, the study found statistically significant improvements in body dissatisfaction, depressive symptoms, and anxiety symptoms. Study 10: Puberty blockers. It utilized data from a non-probability sample of 20,619 transgender adults who reported ever wanting pubertal suppression. Of these, 89 actually received pubertal suppression. After adjusting for potentially confounding variables, access to pubertal suppression was associated with a lower odds of lifetime suicidal ideation. Study 11: Puberty blockers. Data for 44 patients after 12 months of treatment, 24 patients after 24 months of treatment, and 14 patients after 36 months of treatment. They were unable to detect any changes on their mental health measures (positive or negative). Study 12: Hormone therapy (female to male). The adolescents who were receiving testosterone treatment had lower scores on measures of generalized anxiety, social anxiety, depression, and body image dissatisfaction. Study 13: Hormone therapy. After adjusting for potential confounding variables, access to gender-affirming hormones was associated with lower odds of recent depression and suicide attempts when compared to those who desired but did not access gender-affirming hormones. Study 14: Hormone therapy. Accessing gender-affirming hormones was associated with lower odds of past-year suicidal ideation and past year severe psychological distress. Access to gender-affirming hormones during adolescence was associated with a lower odds of these same adverse mental health outcomes when compared to not accessing gender-affirming hormones until adulthood. |
Anonymous
NP. The intersex community has been quite loud and firm about how they do not want to be used as pawns or examples in debates about trans policies. Please respect that. |
Anonymous
They literally have not and there are many intersex people that consider themselves transgender. |
Anonymous
So now we're talking about trans adults and they shouldn't be allowed to transition? Also, the bolded part, nice story Larla. All I would feel is relief. I've known I was trans since I was a small child. It wouldn't matter if I forgot all my memories back to childhood. |
Anonymous
NP. That’s like asking why we leave out Eskimos when discussing South Africans. Don’t be stupid. |
Anonymous
Let me understand. You would prefer politicians, elected by a voter base that has a demonstrably tenuous grip on reality, be responsible for making these decisions for all individuals. You would prefer that laws affecting real families and having real impacts on real people be decided by spin doctors guided by whatever will spin up their hateful base, instead of by real doctors guided by science and loving adults who are in the best position to assess the individual circumstances and weigh the costs and benefits. Do I understand that correctly? You want to stick yourself in another family’s business to “defend kids” that you don’t care about in any other context. Do I got that right? |
Anonymous
NP. Nobody cares about you personally. Public policy isn’t about shaping society around your petty little preferences. It’s about doing right by the majority of people. Narcissists like you struggle mightily with that basic understanding. |
Anonymous
That literally doesn't address anything I wrote. There's a trans person! She disagreed and brought up the fact that we're changing course to trans adults. Do we discuss this? No! ATTACK HER! That's what I read. Nice job with that by the way. I guess the majority definitely knows what's best for the minority. |