Bombshell: NYT story suggests Alito is the leaker of Dobbs decision

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Anonymous wrote:To call this story uncorroborated is to overstate its credibility. Rob Schenck, a pastor who has since turned against his former evangelical allies, claims he heard from a woman who heard from Justice Alito at a dinner party in 2014 about the pending opinion in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, a religious liberty case. Justice Alito denies leaking anything, and the woman denies hearing about it.

But this summer, after the Dobbs abortion decision, Mr. Schenck decided that what he claims to have learned in advance of the Hobby Lobby decision should be shared with the world. He wrote to Chief Justice John Roberts with concern about the gossip. When the Chief didn’t respond to Mr. Schenck’s satisfaction, he turned to the media, and then Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse piled on.

Mr. Whitehouse is famous for his tenacious digging into Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s high-school yearbook. He and Georgia Rep. Hank Johnson have written to the Chief demanding that the Court investigate this alleged ethical breach or they will do it.

This is another case of political intimidation in the service of undermining public confidence in the Court. The accusation is second-hand hearsay from a politically motivated source. The woman and her late husband did attend a dinner party at the home of Justice Alito and his wife after donating money to the Supreme Court Historical Society. But that’s the extent of any corroboration.

The real reason Democrats are upset is because they’ve lost the Court as a backstop legislature for policies they can’t get through Congress.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/targeting-justice-samuel-alito-rob-schenck-supreme-court-hobby-lobby-sheldon-whitehouse-11669154588

You lose credibility any time you cite an opinion piece. The WSJ's news division is respectable, but it's previously pro-Trump and extreme right-wing editorial slant is well-known.

Loser.

I seem to remember after someone leaked the Dobbs decision that WSJ had a bat crap crazy oped about how that would never happen and we should all focus on the leak because the leaker was the worst person in America.

We'll wait while you link to this op-ed. In the meantime, the Dobbs leaker *is* a terrible person. And there are zero indications that person is Alito. Braying about how it "must be so" does not, in fact, make it so.

There are plenty of indications that Alito was involved in the leak. He’s the most likely to think that sharing insider information with right-wing interested parties and lobbyists is ok for right-wingers.

No, there are not "plenty of indications." There is one dinner involving a woman who completely denies the claim that the pastor made. You're welcome to feverishly speculate and hypothesize - as long as you understand there is zero proof of what you assert.

You will not get through to people here. Everything to them is sensationalistic, and essentially a made-for-TV movie or series. If you think back over time at all the threads that died due to the truth coming out, and all the people they worshipped who ended up in jail, it’s pretty clear that facing the truth is hard stuff. It took the media, what, two YEARS to admit there might be truth to a piece of technical equipment?

People here are all hat and no cattle. It’s all emotion, no fact.

How long do you think an internal investigation should take?

DP. How long did the internal investigation of the Border Patrol agents and the alleged "whipping" take?

Crickets.

Irrelevant.

Not at all. PP was complaining that the internal investigation is taking too long; but we heard zip from the administration for months and months while the BP was being "investigated" for doing nothing wrong. I guess you'll just have to wait, like the rest of us did.

This investigation isn’t being done by the administration. That’s why it’s irrelevant.

Whooooosh…
You can split hairs all you want but the point remains the same. Deal with it.
DP

Deal with what? This is a tiny investigation. It’s not being done by the inspector general of a giant agency. Or even anyone in the executive branch. Still irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Roberts has been fully cuckolded as Chief Justice. He really should resign out of sheer weakness.

He’s an embarrassment on several levels. He presides over a joke of a court, a body that has absolutely no sense of legitimacy for most people anymore. Two stolen seats, three if you count Kennedy’s compelled retirement, all of the conservative members having lied in all of their confirmation hearings and happy to enslave women, one attempted rapist… it’s a mess.

A leaky, judicially active mess.

Everyone should resign except for the leftist judges because - compromised, rapist, jokes.

Amiright?

Exactly. That’s precisely what people like the PP would like to see happen. That way, they can be sure of getting their way 100% of the time. Who wants to deal with those pesky opposing opinions?!

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Anonymous wrote:Roberts has been fully cuckolded as Chief Justice. He really should resign out of sheer weakness.

He’s an embarrassment on several levels. He presides over a joke of a court, a body that has absolutely no sense of legitimacy for most people anymore. Two stolen seats, three if you count Kennedy’s compelled retirement, all of the conservative members having lied in all of their confirmation hearings and happy to enslave women, one attempted rapist… it’s a mess.

A leaky, judicially active mess.

Everyone should resign except for the leftist judges because - compromised, rapist, jokes.

Amiright?

All of Trump's should, yes.

DP. Sorry, nope. I bet you call others sore losers all the time, don’t you? Know thyself.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing about the leak. The internal SCOTUS dispute was between an Alito opinion to overturn Roe or a Roberts opinion upholding 15 weeks w/o overturning Roe. The liberals already lost either way. The 3 Justices with motives to leak were Alito and Thomas, to generate public pressure on the 3 Trump Justices to stick with them, and Roberts, to generate public pressure to get Kavanaugh and/or Barrett to side with him. The leak had to come from one of the three or from an anti-abortion source that one of the three had leaked to. Maybe the leak was only intended to be shared among the anti-abortion community so they could pressure Barrett and Kavanaugh, but somebody tipped off the press.

Mitch McConnell would have a motive to leak, to keep the issue from popping up close to the election.
Liberals had motive to put pressure on the other judges to change their votes.

Mitch McConnell shouldn’t know anything. It would have to be leaked by someone inside SCOTUS for McConnell to know the status, and he wouldn’t leak to the press, he has more influence behind the scenes through lobbyists than in the public. The liberals knew that Barrett and Kavanaugh were never going to vote with them on this. The leak did nothing for liberals. All the pressure on B and K came from Alito/Thomas and Roberts. Roberts didn’t leak it, the point of the leak was to tip off anti-abortion zealots that Roberts was trying to block them from overturning Roe. It had to come from Alito or Thomas or someone in their camp.

I disagree entirely. The leaker was obviously a liberal who was eager to get this out in order to drum up as much outrage as possible. Mission accomplished.
DP

That doesn’t make any sense. The liberal outrage was inevitable whenever the ruling came out. The leak didn’t increase the amount of liberal outrage. The liberals probably didn’t even know the details of the drama between Alito and Roberts. The internal dispute was all on the anti-abortion side, over how far the decision would go. The liberals were not involved in that.

DP. It makes perfect sense. Once it was leaked, the left’s outrage machine kicked into high gear. The point being to try and intimidate the court into not formally overturning Roe.

But the right wing of the court doesn't care about the left's outrage machine, and everyone knows that. They care about the right's intimidation machine.
Kicking that into gear by making sure the machine would know who to blame for flipping over to the Robert's side was the point of the leak, and it worked.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing about the leak. The internal SCOTUS dispute was between an Alito opinion to overturn Roe or a Roberts opinion upholding 15 weeks w/o overturning Roe. The liberals already lost either way. The 3 Justices with motives to leak were Alito and Thomas, to generate public pressure on the 3 Trump Justices to stick with them, and Roberts, to generate public pressure to get Kavanaugh and/or Barrett to side with him. The leak had to come from one of the three or from an anti-abortion source that one of the three had leaked to. Maybe the leak was only intended to be shared among the anti-abortion community so they could pressure Barrett and Kavanaugh, but somebody tipped off the press.

Mitch McConnell would have a motive to leak, to keep the issue from popping up close to the election.
Liberals had motive to put pressure on the other judges to change their votes.

Mitch McConnell shouldn’t know anything. It would have to be leaked by someone inside SCOTUS for McConnell to know the status, and he wouldn’t leak to the press, he has more influence behind the scenes through lobbyists than in the public. The liberals knew that Barrett and Kavanaugh were never going to vote with them on this. The leak did nothing for liberals. All the pressure on B and K came from Alito/Thomas and Roberts. Roberts didn’t leak it, the point of the leak was to tip off anti-abortion zealots that Roberts was trying to block them from overturning Roe. It had to come from Alito or Thomas or someone in their camp.

I disagree entirely. The leaker was obviously a liberal who was eager to get this out in order to drum up as much outrage as possible. Mission accomplished.
DP

That doesn’t make any sense. The liberal outrage was inevitable whenever the ruling came out. The leak didn’t increase the amount of liberal outrage. The liberals probably didn’t even know the details of the drama between Alito and Roberts. The internal dispute was all on the anti-abortion side, over how far the decision would go. The liberals were not involved in that.

DP. It makes perfect sense. Once it was leaked, the left’s outrage machine kicked into high gear. The point being to try and intimidate the court into not formally overturning Roe.

But the right wing of the court doesn't care about the left's outrage machine, and everyone knows that. They care about the right's intimidation machine.
Kicking that into gear by making sure the machine would know who to blame for flipping over to the Robert's side was the point of the leak, and it worked.

If you actually think the left doesn’t have an outsized intimidation machine, that we’ve ALL seen in action many times, then there’s nothing further to discuss.

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Anonymous wrote:Roberts has been fully cuckolded as Chief Justice. He really should resign out of sheer weakness.

He’s an embarrassment on several levels. He presides over a joke of a court, a body that has absolutely no sense of legitimacy for most people anymore. Two stolen seats, three if you count Kennedy’s compelled retirement, all of the conservative members having lied in all of their confirmation hearings and happy to enslave women, one attempted rapist… it’s a mess.

A leaky, judicially active mess.

Everyone should resign except for the leftist judges because - compromised, rapist, jokes.

Amiright?

Exactly. That’s precisely what people like the PP would like to see happen. That way, they can be sure of getting their way 100% of the time. Who wants to deal with those pesky opposing opinions?!

Those were not legitimate appointments, imo, but for diff reasons. And it's not b/c they have an "R" next to the appointing president.

I would absolutely like to see them removed. But, I'd prefer no longer any lifetime appointments. Perhaps term limits. And to make changes to the sham confirmation hearings that have become the norm.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing about the leak. The internal SCOTUS dispute was between an Alito opinion to overturn Roe or a Roberts opinion upholding 15 weeks w/o overturning Roe. The liberals already lost either way. The 3 Justices with motives to leak were Alito and Thomas, to generate public pressure on the 3 Trump Justices to stick with them, and Roberts, to generate public pressure to get Kavanaugh and/or Barrett to side with him. The leak had to come from one of the three or from an anti-abortion source that one of the three had leaked to. Maybe the leak was only intended to be shared among the anti-abortion community so they could pressure Barrett and Kavanaugh, but somebody tipped off the press.

Mitch McConnell would have a motive to leak, to keep the issue from popping up close to the election.
Liberals had motive to put pressure on the other judges to change their votes.

Mitch McConnell shouldn’t know anything. It would have to be leaked by someone inside SCOTUS for McConnell to know the status, and he wouldn’t leak to the press, he has more influence behind the scenes through lobbyists than in the public. The liberals knew that Barrett and Kavanaugh were never going to vote with them on this. The leak did nothing for liberals. All the pressure on B and K came from Alito/Thomas and Roberts. Roberts didn’t leak it, the point of the leak was to tip off anti-abortion zealots that Roberts was trying to block them from overturning Roe. It had to come from Alito or Thomas or someone in their camp.

I disagree entirely. The leaker was obviously a liberal who was eager to get this out in order to drum up as much outrage as possible. Mission accomplished.
DP

That doesn’t make any sense. The liberal outrage was inevitable whenever the ruling came out. The leak didn’t increase the amount of liberal outrage. The liberals probably didn’t even know the details of the drama between Alito and Roberts. The internal dispute was all on the anti-abortion side, over how far the decision would go. The liberals were not involved in that.

Having the liberal outrage come in early May instead of late June was obviously also bad for liberals since it was further away from the election. It definitely came from a conservative- the only question is whether it was the Roberts camp or the Alito camp.

Or Ginni Thomas.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing about the leak. The internal SCOTUS dispute was between an Alito opinion to overturn Roe or a Roberts opinion upholding 15 weeks w/o overturning Roe. The liberals already lost either way. The 3 Justices with motives to leak were Alito and Thomas, to generate public pressure on the 3 Trump Justices to stick with them, and Roberts, to generate public pressure to get Kavanaugh and/or Barrett to side with him. The leak had to come from one of the three or from an anti-abortion source that one of the three had leaked to. Maybe the leak was only intended to be shared among the anti-abortion community so they could pressure Barrett and Kavanaugh, but somebody tipped off the press.

Mitch McConnell would have a motive to leak, to keep the issue from popping up close to the election.
Liberals had motive to put pressure on the other judges to change their votes.

Mitch McConnell shouldn’t know anything. It would have to be leaked by someone inside SCOTUS for McConnell to know the status, and he wouldn’t leak to the press, he has more influence behind the scenes through lobbyists than in the public. The liberals knew that Barrett and Kavanaugh were never going to vote with them on this. The leak did nothing for liberals. All the pressure on B and K came from Alito/Thomas and Roberts. Roberts didn’t leak it, the point of the leak was to tip off anti-abortion zealots that Roberts was trying to block them from overturning Roe. It had to come from Alito or Thomas or someone in their camp.

I disagree entirely. The leaker was obviously a liberal who was eager to get this out in order to drum up as much outrage as possible. Mission accomplished.
DP

That doesn’t make any sense. The liberal outrage was inevitable whenever the ruling came out. The leak didn’t increase the amount of liberal outrage. The liberals probably didn’t even know the details of the drama between Alito and Roberts. The internal dispute was all on the anti-abortion side, over how far the decision would go. The liberals were not involved in that.

DP. It makes perfect sense. Once it was leaked, the left’s outrage machine kicked into high gear. The point being to try and intimidate the court into not formally overturning Roe.

But the right wing of the court doesn't care about the left's outrage machine, and everyone knows that. They care about the right's intimidation machine.
Kicking that into gear by making sure the machine would know who to blame for flipping over to the Robert's side was the point of the leak, and it worked.

If you actually think the left doesn’t have an outsized intimidation machine, that we’ve ALL seen in action many times, then there’s nothing further to discuss.

Did I say it didn't? But the right has got one too and it's the one that the right wing cares about and responds to.

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Anonymous wrote:And that he also leaked the Hobby Lobby decision.

Holy heck!

17 page thread and still just a rumor.

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Anonymous wrote:And that he also leaked the Hobby Lobby decision.

Holy heck!

17 page thread and still just a rumor.

No it’s not rumor. The republicans investigate this and have proof. Though because it is one of their own doing this it is now cool and not bad any more….you know.

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Anonymous wrote:And that he also leaked the Hobby Lobby decision.

Holy heck!

17 page thread and still just a rumor.

If only Roberts would release the findings of the investigation. He knows. The right wingers on the court all know.

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Anonymous wrote:And that he also leaked the Hobby Lobby decision.

Holy heck!

17 page thread and still just a rumor.

No it’s not rumor. The republicans investigate this and have proof. Though because it is one of their own doing this it is now cool and not bad any more….you know.

DP. Your claims are becoming more and more unhinged. There is no proof whatsoever that Alito - or any conservative - leaked. None. Zero, zip, nada. We're still here waiting for some proof to emerge, yet all we have are idiotic claims and theories. AS USUAL. Find some real evidence, then get back to us.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s the thing about the leak. The internal SCOTUS dispute was between an Alito opinion to overturn Roe or a Roberts opinion upholding 15 weeks w/o overturning Roe. The liberals already lost either way. The 3 Justices with motives to leak were Alito and Thomas, to generate public pressure on the 3 Trump Justices to stick with them, and Roberts, to generate public pressure to get Kavanaugh and/or Barrett to side with him. The leak had to come from one of the three or from an anti-abortion source that one of the three had leaked to. Maybe the leak was only intended to be shared among the anti-abortion community so they could pressure Barrett and Kavanaugh, but somebody tipped off the press.

Mitch McConnell would have a motive to leak, to keep the issue from popping up close to the election.
Liberals had motive to put pressure on the other judges to change their votes.

Mitch McConnell shouldn’t know anything. It would have to be leaked by someone inside SCOTUS for McConnell to know the status, and he wouldn’t leak to the press, he has more influence behind the scenes through lobbyists than in the public. The liberals knew that Barrett and Kavanaugh were never going to vote with them on this. The leak did nothing for liberals. All the pressure on B and K came from Alito/Thomas and Roberts. Roberts didn’t leak it, the point of the leak was to tip off anti-abortion zealots that Roberts was trying to block them from overturning Roe. It had to come from Alito or Thomas or someone in their camp.

I disagree entirely. The leaker was obviously a liberal who was eager to get this out in order to drum up as much outrage as possible. Mission accomplished.
DP

That doesn’t make any sense. The liberal outrage was inevitable whenever the ruling came out. The leak didn’t increase the amount of liberal outrage. The liberals probably didn’t even know the details of the drama between Alito and Roberts. The internal dispute was all on the anti-abortion side, over how far the decision would go. The liberals were not involved in that.

Having the liberal outrage come in early May instead of late June was obviously also bad for liberals since it was further away from the election. It definitely came from a conservative- the only question is whether it was the Roberts camp or the Alito camp.

Or Ginni Thomas.

My money is on Ginni.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And that he also leaked the Hobby Lobby decision.

Holy heck!

17 page thread and still just a rumor.

No it’s not rumor. The republicans investigate this and have proof. Though because it is one of their own doing this it is now cool and not bad any more….you know.

DP. Your claims are becoming more and more unhinged. There is no proof whatsoever that Alito - or any conservative - leaked. None. Zero, zip, nada. We're still here waiting for some proof to emerge, yet all we have are idiotic claims and theories. AS USUAL. Find some real evidence, then get back to us.

Why isn’t Thomas releasing the results of his investigation?